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Jose Garcia

(2,698 posts)
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:54 AM Feb 2018

More deputies accused of waiting outside during Stoneman Douglas school shooting

Source: Sun-Sentinel

Instead of rushing in, several Broward sheriff’s deputies waited outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School while a killer gunned down schoolchildren, according to other officers on the scene.

The Sheriff’s Office is investigating the claims from Coral Springs cops, Sheriff Scott Israel told the South Florida Sun Sentinel on Friday.

The allegations emerged a day after another deputy, assigned to guard the school, resigned under fire, also for failing to enter the building during the shooting.

In all, at least three deputies waited outside, including School Resource Officer Scot Peterson, police sources told the Sun Sentinel.

Read more: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-response-fail-20180223-story.html

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More deputies accused of waiting outside during Stoneman Douglas school shooting (Original Post) Jose Garcia Feb 2018 OP
No one wants to be turned into hamburger by an AR-15. SunSeeker Feb 2018 #1
Countering such a threat is well-within their job description. appal_jack Feb 2018 #7
Do you remember the N. Hollywood shootout? SCVDem Feb 2018 #10
I remember it well. SergeStorms Feb 2018 #19
You're right - "44 Minutes" is the film B Stieg Feb 2018 #39
That's it! SergeStorms Feb 2018 #46
No problem. Actually, here's the real footage! B Stieg Feb 2018 #47
Pssht--Kindergarten Cop to the rescue! durablend Feb 2018 #14
tell us about the time you stopped a gunman who had an AR-15 CreekDog Feb 2018 #23
WTF are you talking about? appal_jack Feb 2018 #44
We would't have needed protection if this kid couldn't get a gun. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #65
Just like we ban heroin, right? appal_jack Feb 2018 #67
Opiates kill those foolish enough to use them. And of course I feel bad for those who fall victim... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #68
Exactly! Why risk his life when he can just wait til all the kid are dead? PdxSean Feb 2018 #22
Even when it's their f'ing job. paleotn Feb 2018 #43
How did the cops know the shooter had an AR-15? Kaleva Feb 2018 #57
There is a middle ground between "do nothing" and "attack gunman in the open" metalbot Feb 2018 #61
The kids who died at Sandy Hook had to be identified by dental and DNA...think about that. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #64
Who cares sharedvalues Feb 2018 #2
I disagree. citizen blues Feb 2018 #5
At least a teacher with a handgun customerserviceguy Feb 2018 #11
Or a simpler solution, just ban military grade weapons. Canoe52 Feb 2018 #13
Yes, exactly. Do what UK and Canada do. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #49
Small quibble -Canada allows AR-15's NickB79 Feb 2018 #56
No military has the AR-15 or AR-10 Kaleva Feb 2018 #58
You know what I mean, I know what I mean, everybody here knows what I mean, Canoe52 Feb 2018 #62
Clear language prevents shitty laws. Kaleva Feb 2018 #63
The gun laws we have now are shitty laws dictated by the nra, Im tired of reading about kids dying Canoe52 Feb 2018 #66
I would also think the shooter would focus on the teachers first (knowing they are armed) C Moon Feb 2018 #16
This is so asinine I don't even know where to begin. They are teachers. These are schools. Squinch Feb 2018 #25
+1000 Chemisse Feb 2018 #29
This NRA talking point is to sell more guns sharedvalues Feb 2018 #50
And that teacher's kids would be left without a supervising adult pazzyanne Feb 2018 #34
Severity Classrooms HockeyMom Feb 2018 #59
Caution - masturbating with NRA talking points can make you go blind. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2018 #38
Agree With The Disagree DallasNE Feb 2018 #20
No, let's focus on the sea of guns in this country. nt marybourg Feb 2018 #8
Exactly. Hoyt Feb 2018 #31
Are you f'ing serious?? Police NEED accountability ansible Feb 2018 #17
there was a trained and armed SRO at Columbine lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #21
That's an important point, you don't want to force a shooter back into school or taking hostages. Hoyt Feb 2018 #32
yes - there is a HUGE difference Locrian Feb 2018 #36
60 yards? Whats the accuracy of a hand gun at 60 yards? Canoe52 Feb 2018 #53
This was as close as the SRO could safely get to in relation lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #55
I care. If we are paying them to the tune of almost $100k WhiteTara Feb 2018 #24
I care but only insofar as it proves that "good guy with gun" and "arm the teachers" and Squinch Feb 2018 #26
This ought to end the "let's arm teachers" BS. Only S.W.A.T could have stopped him. McCamy Taylor Feb 2018 #3
THIS BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #28
Of course. 47of74 Feb 2018 #41
I wonder what kind of training that sheriff's office gives. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #4
They're there to make easy money customerserviceguy Feb 2018 #12
As I've read, when the city police showed up, they went in to do their job. Crash2Parties Feb 2018 #6
They stayed outside in Las Vegas, too Upstate One Feb 2018 #9
Yep, I remember they waited almost an hour to go in. And in a situation like that, they've got Hoyt Feb 2018 #35
This is bullshit beyond reason or reality world wide wally Feb 2018 #15
Maybe... just "MAYBE" we shouldn't have weapons of war available to the general public world wide wally Feb 2018 #18
courage apparently isn't a part of being a law enforcment officier, especially when you have beachbum bob Feb 2018 #27
Cops should only confront unarmed civilians ! left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #30
Peaceful protesters at an Inauguration for example... Hugin Feb 2018 #37
For everyone defending the cowards with badges atreides1 Feb 2018 #33
Whatever the reason why, it proves that armed guards/teachers arent the answer - but unfortunately Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2018 #40
The cops are this slaughter's diversion from the real problem. Vinca Feb 2018 #42
The beauty of this development is that it completely contradicts the NRA' narrative about Nitram Feb 2018 #45
Sun-Sentinel profile of Peterson DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #48
Time for a new Sheriff in Broward HopeAgain Feb 2018 #51
Of course they did LSFL Feb 2018 #52
And yet people out there think that giving teachers guns PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #54
Were the backup officers armed with handguns or assault rifles? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2018 #60

SunSeeker

(52,375 posts)
1. No one wants to be turned into hamburger by an AR-15.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:08 AM
Feb 2018

The human self-preservation instinct is a powerful thing.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
7. Countering such a threat is well-within their job description.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:35 AM
Feb 2018

But don't worry citizens. Give up your guns and the police will protect you!



-app

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
10. Do you remember the N. Hollywood shootout?
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:03 AM
Feb 2018

The police were outgunned by a superior force of two outfitted with military grade equipment.

The North Hollywood shootout, sometimes also called the Battle of North Hollywood, was an armed confrontation between two heavily armed and armored bank robbers and members of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) in the North Hollywood district of Los Angeles on February 28, 1997. Both perpetrators were killed, twelve police officers and eight civilians were injured, and numerous vehicles and other property were damaged or destroyed by the nearly 2,000 rounds of ammunition fired by the robbers and police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

We expect local police to be SWAT? That's why SWAT was created!

Then and now, the problem is military weapons in civilian control.

SergeStorms

(19,222 posts)
19. I remember it well.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 03:55 AM
Feb 2018

If I'm not mistaken they even made a movie out of it. I believe this is where the "criminals are better armed than the Police" meme started.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
44. WTF are you talking about?
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:53 AM
Feb 2018

Tell me about the time you successfully calculated the orbital trajectory to Mars. Oh, wait, you made no claims about being a rocket scientist. But I'll demand it of you anyway...

-app

Demsrule86

(69,374 posts)
68. Opiates kill those foolish enough to use them. And of course I feel bad for those who fall victim...
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:49 AM
Feb 2018

but you can't kill 17 kids with them. Opiates hurts the user and no one else. Guns affect me and my kids and I want them gone...I have a right to life and liberty etc...so did those slaughtered kids in Florid(NRA martyrs) so did those murdered viciously in Las Vegas and at Sandy Hook...those who die in Chicago where the good guy gun dealers secretly sell to criminals as they don't have to account for inventory by law...I suggest you read up on Australia and what civilized countries do when their children are under attack. Fuck the blood soaked NRA. So where do you stand.... do you love our kids or your guns?

PdxSean

(574 posts)
22. Exactly! Why risk his life when he can just wait til all the kid are dead?
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 07:40 AM
Feb 2018

I mean, the shooter was still shooting and the kids were still screaming, so the situation was obviously too dangerous for police. People and their unreasonable expectations of "our" police. Geesh.



Unfortunately, sadly, I must add a sarcasm thingy.

paleotn

(18,413 posts)
43. Even when it's their f'ing job.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:28 AM
Feb 2018

They knew exactly what they signed up for....and that didn't entail just harassing and shooting minorities.

Kaleva

(36,867 posts)
57. How did the cops know the shooter had an AR-15?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:17 PM
Feb 2018

Maybe he could have had a Ruger Mini-14. A gun that was legal to buy and own when the AWB was in effect and fires the same round as the .223 Remington AR-15.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
61. There is a middle ground between "do nothing" and "attack gunman in the open"
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:35 PM
Feb 2018

Yes, in general, pistols don't win fights against rifles. However, I'd argue that the fact that these were trained police officers, and this was a 19 year old kid who was likely deaf after the first few shots, and the fact that this would not be a long range engagement would likely even the odds.

But that's not really the point. The point is that when there is an active shooter, you need to shoot at them, and you need to start doing it as quickly as possible. You can shoot from cover. You don't have to hit the guy. But you have to actively be shooting at him.

We completely changed the protocols for handling active shooters after Columbine. There's no police department in the country that has a policy that says "if someone is shooting at a school, make sure you wait for SWAT". Is this risky? Of course it is. I find it astonishing that so many here are defending the (in)actions of the police, at a time when police officers are actively condemning their peers for failure to act.

Demsrule86

(69,374 posts)
64. The kids who died at Sandy Hook had to be identified by dental and DNA...think about that.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 05:52 PM
Feb 2018

Ban the damn assault weapons.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
2. Who cares
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:09 AM
Feb 2018

I understand why people want to talk about this, but we should all agree to ignore it.

It's not important. What's important is that the kids were killed. Even an army of security guards wouldn't stop most mass shootings.

Let's focus on the victims.


citizen blues

(575 posts)
5. I disagree.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:25 AM
Feb 2018

That tired old argument about arming teachers with a hand gun just blew up in their faces with this. Even trained professionals knew what the odds were with a hand gun going up against an AR-15.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
11. At least a teacher with a handgun
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:15 AM
Feb 2018

would have died trying, instead of just dying.

This has to motivate teachers into taking Trump up on his proposal. If the trained "security personnel" aren't going to do anything other than "establish a position" (the cop-speak in describing this inactivity makes me want to puke!) then teachers might seriously want to think about having one slim chance of stopping the next crazy-ass loner loser that shows up at their school with a semi-automatic.

NickB79

(19,385 posts)
56. Small quibble -Canada allows AR-15's
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:14 PM
Feb 2018

But they can only hold 5 rounds in the magazines.

Ban high-capacity magazines.

Canoe52

(2,952 posts)
62. You know what I mean, I know what I mean, everybody here knows what I mean,
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 03:26 PM
Feb 2018

not going to get into an endless discussion over semantics.

Or are you going to ask me what I mean by “semantics “ too?

Kaleva

(36,867 posts)
63. Clear language prevents shitty laws.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 05:10 PM
Feb 2018

Pass a law that bans "military grade" guns and you accomplish nothing. I get the impression that some don't actually care about gun control when it's apparent they won't take time to learn the most basic terminology .

Canoe52

(2,952 posts)
66. The gun laws we have now are shitty laws dictated by the nra, Im tired of reading about kids dying
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 07:33 PM
Feb 2018

Fuck the gun humpers, not willing to compromise on jack. That could have been my kid or your kid coming home as human hamburger.

I was for compromise before, I really was. But not now, not at this point in time, I’m pissed.

Ban all guns I say and fuck the gun fetishists.

That clear enough for you?

Squinch

(51,373 posts)
25. This is so asinine I don't even know where to begin. They are teachers. These are schools.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:26 AM
Feb 2018

These "loner shooters" are not acting alone. They have the backing of every imbecilic gun humper and every imbecilic politician who has struck down every single sensible gun law we have ever passed.

It is not the job of the children and the teachers to stop them. This is not a problem we can toss off into the schools like all those other societal problems we have tossed off into the schools and told teachers to fix.

It is the job of every citizen and every politician to stop being crazy and change the rules of that gun culture.

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
50. This NRA talking point is to sell more guns
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 09:55 AM
Feb 2018

It’s asinine and everyone can see its only point is to sell more guns — NRA is a PR group for gun manufacturers— except those in the grip of NRA / rightwing propaganda.

pazzyanne

(6,562 posts)
34. And that teacher's kids would be left without a supervising adult
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:59 AM
Feb 2018

especially if they are elementary age. Teachers who die during these shootings, die trying to remove students from the situation as quickly as possible. Hard to do if you are toting and shooting a gun. A dead teacher in the situation where they are suppose to shoot the bad guy means that all of the children under that teacher's supervision are "sitting ducks" for the shooter. If you have not been in a classroom full of agitated kids, your opinion is not fact based.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
59. Severity Classrooms
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:25 PM
Feb 2018

with students in wheelchairs. It is only humanly possible to push two wheelchairs at the same time. How do you hold and shoot a gun at the same time?

DallasNE

(7,444 posts)
20. Agree With The Disagree
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 04:01 AM
Feb 2018

This just blew up in the face of Trump and the NRA. IF IT TAKES A SWAT team to neutralize an AR-15 then the solution is to ban that class of weapon. Arming the schoolteacher would only produce a false sense of security.. This point needs to be pounded home until it sinks in.

lapfog_1

(29,419 posts)
21. there was a trained and armed SRO at Columbine
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 06:16 AM
Feb 2018

He even got the "drop" on Eric Harris as Harris was changing magazines. The two exchanged gunfire at 60 yards... with the SRO getting off 4 rounds from his handgun. The SRO even thought he hit Harris only to discover that Harris had finished changing magazines and came up firing. Harris retreated into the school and continued to kill more students.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_2347096.html

So much for the "armed guard with the handgun should be able to take out the school shooter with the assault rifle."

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
32. That's an important point, you don't want to force a shooter back into school or taking hostages.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:49 AM
Feb 2018

Locrian

(4,523 posts)
36. yes - there is a HUGE difference
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:10 AM
Feb 2018

A handgun vs AR15 - especially in a stressful situation is a terrible position to be in.
People think it's the movies where the good guy can avoid all the fire and nail the "bad guy".

The accuracy and control-ability under stress is vastly superior in the AR - that's why they kill so well.

Canoe52

(2,952 posts)
53. 60 yards? Whats the accuracy of a hand gun at 60 yards?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 11:51 AM
Feb 2018

And then what’s the accuracy at 60 yards in a life and death situation?

lapfog_1

(29,419 posts)
55. This was as close as the SRO could safely get to in relation
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:10 PM
Feb 2018

to the shooter and still have some "cover" (from behind a vehicle, I believe).

The point is that there was a "good guy with a gun" at Columbine, he didn't "wuss out" and tried his best to shoot one of the two school shooters and wasn't successful. The notion that any teacher, even ex-military, would have done better and saved a number of students... is mostly Hollywood fantasy.

WhiteTara

(29,816 posts)
24. I care. If we are paying them to the tune of almost $100k
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:25 AM
Feb 2018

a year, then they need to be able to do more than slam children to the floor. Either they have a job to do, or they don't. If they don't get rid of them. If they don't do their job, fire them. And this should strengthen the no ar15 type guns. Even cops can't stop them.

Squinch

(51,373 posts)
26. I care but only insofar as it proves that "good guy with gun" and "arm the teachers" and
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:31 AM
Feb 2018

"do anything but for the love of God don't interfere with my hobby!" are not going to work. The only thing that will work is a change to the gun laws.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
3. This ought to end the "let's arm teachers" BS. Only S.W.A.T could have stopped him.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:20 AM
Feb 2018

Are we going to put teams in full body armor in every school?

BumRushDaShow

(133,552 posts)
28. THIS
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:35 AM
Feb 2018

And the irony is, some places call out S.W.A.T. teams for peaceful protests yet they go missing when there is an active shooter.



(Ferguson)

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
41. Of course.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:54 AM
Feb 2018

They see it as good PR but when it comes time to put one's money where the feeding/talking orifice is they go AWOL.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
4. I wonder what kind of training that sheriff's office gives.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:22 AM
Feb 2018

Maybe they were waiting for orders, since they weren't on duty at the school & just went there because of the emergency? Did they not know what to do? Did their training cover emergency shootings?

If you can't count on law enforcement to do something to help, who can you count on?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. They're there to make easy money
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:17 AM
Feb 2018

knowing that there is a 0.00000001% chance that anything is going to happen to any particular school. And if it does, they can always cower in fear and take their pensions early when it's time to clean up the mess.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
6. As I've read, when the city police showed up, they went in to do their job.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 01:30 AM
Feb 2018

Sheriff's dept still wouldn't go in. But then they tried to make it seem to the media like they did the majority of the rescuing. Hasn't set too well with the police dept, at all since they were the ones - the only ones - who actually risked their lives.

 

Upstate One

(83 posts)
9. They stayed outside in Las Vegas, too
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 02:02 AM
Feb 2018

It seems to be a common occurrence.

Facing a gunman with a high-powered weapon is a life-altering call, and officers don’t always charge in despite their training. In Las Vegas last October, two armed sheriff’s deputies and several armed security officers working for the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino reached the 32nd floor within six minutes of the opening fusillade by gunman Stephen Paddock, a report by the Las Vegas police showed. But the deputies and officers, unsure of what was behind the hotel room door, did not attack Paddock’s room as he continued to pour shots down into a country music concert for another four minutes, the report found. Paddock then committed suicide, having killed 58 people at the concert.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2018/02/23/police-are-trained-to-attack-active-shooters-but-parkland-officer-didnt-would-armed-teachers-help/

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
35. Yep, I remember they waited almost an hour to go in. And in a situation like that, they've got
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:02 AM
Feb 2018

him in a contained area and not a lot of chance of him taking hostages (although, not sure they knew that).

In Parkland, the shooter could have gone/been anywhere and he could have taken hostages. In fact, for all the police knew, it was more than one, they might have set bombs up, the shooter(s) might have had a bomb vest and was just waiting to blow up a bunch of kids, or worse.

Honestly, I don't think we will ever know what they guard or first police arriving should have done. They didn't know the situation like we do now. It's a little bit easier to say the guard should have rushed in, now that we know there was only one shooter rather than a bunch of terrorists holding hostages in different parts of the school ready to shoot 100 more kids, there weren't bombs anywhere, etc.


Personally, I still think most of the "fools rush in crowd," are people trying to scapegoat the guard to save their guns by taking the focus off lax laws that allow these weapons.

world wide wally

(21,764 posts)
15. This is bullshit beyond reason or reality
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 03:39 AM
Feb 2018

We have allowed the NRA to convince half of the country that turning human bodies into hamburger is in the Constitution.


I call BULLSHIT

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
27. courage apparently isn't a part of being a law enforcment officier, especially when you have
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 08:34 AM
Feb 2018

more than one....but arming a teacher to take on a killer is suppose to make sense???

an active shooter of kids and cops hang back defies the purpose. They watch unarmed coaches rushing in and they stood back and did nothing???


its obama's fault, hillary's fault, the FBI's fault....right?

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
30. Cops should only confront unarmed civilians !
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:43 AM
Feb 2018

Or maybe someone with a handgun comparable to what the officer has.

atreides1

(16,194 posts)
33. For everyone defending the cowards with badges
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:52 AM
Feb 2018

Read this story and maybe rethink your defense of armed and trained officers who didn't have the courage in their entire bodies that this 15 year old had in his little finger!!!!

https://xazon.com/this-15-year-old-killed-in-parkland-dreamed-of-attending-west-point-he-was-buried-with-full-military-honors/

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
40. Whatever the reason why, it proves that armed guards/teachers arent the answer - but unfortunately
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 10:36 AM
Feb 2018

the radical RW will just make it into an easy scapegoat and I would not be surprised if some are not already portraying it as a dem/liberal failing and demonizing the whole county ( which is dem-voting I believe ).

Thats how they do it in WI - any and every bad thing that happens in Madison or Dane Co. gets blamed on the fact that its liberal/left, no matter how ridiculous the argument sounds.

Vinca

(50,484 posts)
42. The cops are this slaughter's diversion from the real problem.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:04 AM
Feb 2018

Usually it's mental health. As long as we talk about the cops, we're not talking about the one thing that would definitely stop the shootings: no guns. I bet the Russian bots are all over the cop story.

Nitram

(23,632 posts)
45. The beauty of this development is that it completely contradicts the NRA' narrative about
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 07:32 PM
Feb 2018

"good guys with guns." The answer is not more guns, it is fewer guns.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
51. Time for a new Sheriff in Broward
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 10:04 AM
Feb 2018

Israel should resign. They are a terrible agency, we need to rid ourselves of elected Sheriffs.

LSFL

(1,112 posts)
52. Of course they did
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 10:32 AM
Feb 2018

Many deputies have minimal training. They are not seasoned combat veterans and even if they were I doubt they would rush into a chaotic situation with minimal firepower and no intelligence.
In Iraq, we didn't toss our rifles aside and rush into dwellings with sidearms and I would not expect a deputy to do so either. Heck, it was difficult even to get soldiers to fire sometimes. Sometimes you just freeze up. I know I did. It's a lot to deal with and you never get used to it.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,027 posts)
54. And yet people out there think that giving teachers guns
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 12:50 PM
Feb 2018

will solve the problem of school shooters.

If they didn't have the guns in the first place . . . oh, wait, how silly is that?

60. Were the backup officers armed with handguns or assault rifles?
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 01:33 PM
Feb 2018

I thought police officers carried high-powered weapons in their patrol cars for instances like this. Not just SWAT members, but regular officers.



That's a question that I think should be answered during the after-incident investigation.

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