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Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 10:49 PM Aug 2012

Sheriff: Suspects in killings of 2 Louisiana deputies linked to anti-government extremists

Source: Associated Press

Sheriff: Suspects in killings of 2 Louisiana deputies linked to anti-government extremists
By Cain Burdeau, The Associated Press August 18, 2012 10:00 PM

NEW ORLEANS - A sheriff says seven people arrested in a fatal shootout with Louisiana deputies have been linked to violent anarchists on the FBI's domestic terrorism watch lists.

DeSoto Parish Sheriff Rodney Arbuckle said his detectives had been monitoring the group before Thursday's shootout in Laplace, a suburb of New Orleans. Two deputies were killed and two more wounded.

Arbuckle said Saturday his detectives and the work of other law enforcement agencies discovered the suspects were heavily armed adherents to an ideology known as the "sovereign citizens" movement.

The FBI has classified "sovereign citizens" as people who believe they are free from all duties of a U.S. citizen, like paying taxes. The FBI considers them a danger for making threats to judges and law enforcement, using fake currency and impersonating police officers.


Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Sheriff+Suspects+killings+Louisiana+deputies+linked+antigovernment/7112346/story.html

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Sheriff: Suspects in killings of 2 Louisiana deputies linked to anti-government extremists (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2012 OP
**oops, never mind** Deep13 Aug 2012 #1
Who guys? freshwest Aug 2012 #2
Sorry, I misread it. nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #3
Sovereign Citizens drm604 Aug 2012 #4
Right wing, bigoted, gun nuts. Hoyt Aug 2012 #5
You mean like Right Wing Zealots.... Historic NY Aug 2012 #6
"Anti-government extremists?" There are plenty made every day. Just go to your nearest AM radio. PSPS Aug 2012 #7
The news report shouldn't call them "anarchists". limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #8
"Sovereign Citizens" are not anarchists. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #9

drm604

(16,230 posts)
4. Sovereign Citizens
Sat Aug 18, 2012, 11:05 PM
Aug 2012

Sovereign fruitcakes.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-idioticon-a-dictionary-of-the

Treasury Direct Account
When a baby is born, sovereigns believe that the government funds a secret Treasury account in that baby's corporate shell name, based on that person's future earnings. This account can be accessed by writing special checks to pay taxes, mortgage balances and other debts. Sovereigns variously believe the account's value is between $600,000 and $20 million.

Accepted for value
When a sovereign receives a bill from the IRS, a bank, or even the cable company, under a twisted reading of the Uniform Commercial Code, he believes he can simply write "Accepted for Value" on that bill and it will be paid by his secret Treasury Direct Account, set up by the government when he was born.

Name punctuation
John-Robert: Doe signifies a flesh-and-blood person named John-Robert of the family Doe, as opposed to a punctuation-free name, JOHN ROBERT DOE, which refers to the corporate shell of a person.

Admiralty law/common law
According to sovereign beliefs, there are two types of law: common law and admiralty law. Since the U.S. went off the gold standard in 1933, sovereigns say, no one has been able to pay a debt with "real" money, and therefore the country has been operating under commercial law, which sovereigns equate with admiralty law, the law of the seas. Thus, they argue, completely speciously, that Americans have been deprived of their original common law, under which the government can only impose regulations on citizens with their consent, since 1933.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
8. The news report shouldn't call them "anarchists".
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 12:40 AM
Aug 2012
...The FBI considers sovereign-citizen extremists as comprising a domestic terrorist movement, which, scattered across the United States, has existed for decades, with well-known members, such as Terry Nichols, who helped plan the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma bombing. Sovereign citizens do not represent an anarchist group nor are they a militia, although they sometimes use or buy illegal weapons.
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http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens#disablemobile

They grew out of a Christian extremist movement.
The concept of a sovereign citizen originated in the Posse Comitatus movement as a teaching of Christian Identity minister William P. Gale. The concept has influenced the tax protester movement, the Christian Patriot movement, and the redemption movement—the last of which claims that the U.S. government uses its citizens as collateral against foreign debt.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
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