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Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:04 PM

Scoop: Trump endorses 25-cent gas tax hike

Source: Axios

President Trump endorsed a 25-cent gas tax hike to pay for infrastructure at a White House meeting this morning with senior administration officials and members of Congress from both parties, according to two sources with direct knowledge. Trump also said he was open to other ways to pay for infrastructure, according to a source with direct knowledge.

Reality check: Trump’s gas tax idea appears dead on arrival. Republicans aren’t about to hike taxes for the Trump voters driving their pickup trucks to work every day. It’s a regressive tax and in Republicans’ minds would undo some of working and middle class tax cuts they just passed.

The gas tax is currently 18.4 cents a gallon for gas and 24.4 cents for diesel. It was last raised in 1993.

Per a White House official:

Read more: https://www.axios.com/trump-endorsed-25-cent-gas-tax-hike-1518638785-7554ca1b-6111-4276-b6e5-b42929e0b453.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=twsocialshare&utm_campaign=organic

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Reply Scoop: Trump endorses 25-cent gas tax hike (Original post)
demmiblue Feb 2018 OP
forgotmylogin Feb 2018 #1
area51 Feb 2018 #32
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #2
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #6
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #13
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #15
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #23
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #27
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #28
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #30
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #38
SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #3
kysrsoze Feb 2018 #20
JDC Feb 2018 #44
Stallion Feb 2018 #45
joshcryer Feb 2018 #49
ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #53
marybourg Feb 2018 #4
unblock Feb 2018 #5
ToxMarz Feb 2018 #7
getagrip_already Feb 2018 #12
ToxMarz Feb 2018 #22
joshcryer Feb 2018 #50
VMA131Marine Feb 2018 #8
The Mouth Feb 2018 #41
JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #9
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #10
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #37
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #39
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #48
redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #11
getagrip_already Feb 2018 #14
underpants Feb 2018 #17
BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #16
underpants Feb 2018 #18
ffr Feb 2018 #19
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #21
vercetti2021 Feb 2018 #24
keithbvadu2 Feb 2018 #42
Drahthaardogs Feb 2018 #25
Bengus81 Feb 2018 #55
John Fante Feb 2018 #26
Yavin4 Feb 2018 #29
djacq Feb 2018 #31
iluvtennis Feb 2018 #33
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2018 #34
beachbum bob Feb 2018 #35
marble falls Feb 2018 #36
turbinetree Feb 2018 #40
Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #43
zentrum Feb 2018 #46
jmowreader Feb 2018 #47
democratisphere Feb 2018 #51
SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #52
Bengus81 Feb 2018 #54

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:07 PM

1. Hm. It's like they suddenly find the US doesn't have enough income...

...I wonder why that is.

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Response to forgotmylogin (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:08 PM

32. +1 n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:08 PM

2. tax dollars not gallons

The gas tax was dumb before TrumPutin opened his hole about it.

Taxing by the gallon is an incentive to raise the price.
Tax the dollars and it removes that incentive, self-adjusts to the market, and self-adjusts for better fuel efficiency.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:11 PM

6. So you get better mileage with a flat percentage tax?

How will my engine know what to do? Do you have to input the gas price, or just the tax rate?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:22 PM

13. price

Roads need to be repaired whether your vehicle uses a gallon per mile or 128 miles per gallon.

Some engines are approaching theoretical maximum efficiency, but we're going to have a mix for many years. Taxing a gallon means that as the average fuel efficiency goes up, revenue for roads goes down. Taxing a percentage of price buffers that somewhat. (It won't help maintain the highways when there are more EVs than ICEs).

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:26 PM

15. How many more miles per gallon do you get when they raise or lower the gas price?

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:56 PM

27. You're the one who made the claim that you get better gas mileage when the price goes up or down

I'm thinking the technology and miles per gallon are actually independent of the price per gallon of gas

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:58 PM

28. no, i did not

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:03 PM

30. "self-adjusts for better fuel efficiency."

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:50 PM

38. sorry

The tax self-adjusts -- because it is a percentage of the price, rather than a fixed amount per gallon.

I have deleted a previous post as it was unduly harsh and I apologize to you for that and for not being clear.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:09 PM

3. Regressive Tax Increase

 

Guess who gets Fucked?

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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:39 PM

20. Yup. On the backs of those with less disposable income.

Would we expect anything else?

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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:03 PM

44. Exactly right

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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:09 PM

45. There Goes Your Tax Break Suckers

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Response to Stallion (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 07:11 AM

49. Yup.

And of course this will impact the poor the most.

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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 09:01 AM

53. Oh, Don't Worry

Economists (the lazy ones) don't include energy costs in the inflation number, because it's too hard. Inflation will still be low because, obviously, paying more money for the exact same product, isn't really inflation.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:09 PM

4. Tomorrow he'll deny that he ever did such a thing. nt

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:10 PM

5. lol dead on arrival is right. what an idiot!

having nothing to do with the public policy wisdom of a gas tax hike, it's politically idiotic.

yeah, major tax cuts for the rich but pay more to get to your minimum wage job, fools!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:12 PM

7. Sorry Netflix

Now that teacher in Pennsylvania who was happy with her $1.50 a week extra after Repuke tax cuts won't have it to pay for her Netflix subcription anymore

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:20 PM

12. it was costco.....

not netflix. But now she won't have the money to drive there, let alone have a membership.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:49 PM

22. You are correct

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 07:12 AM

50. She'll have to cut off Netflix and her internet.

And resort to ramen noodles. This hike will add up very very quickly.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:18 PM

8. $0.25/gal will raise about $45B per year

It's not nothing, but the deferred maintenance backlog of the US transportation system is in the trillions of dollars. I don't know if this is enough even to prevent getting further behind.

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:43 PM

41. ALL gas taxes should pay for infrastructure and nothing but.

with roads as the first priority. Still regressive, but let's have a balance between who pays and who benefits (although it could be argued that using such income stream to pay for mass transit reduces strain and stress on roads, I still think that we who *HAVE* to drive should benefit from these damned taxes).

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:18 PM

9. People with electric cars are happy with this solution

New roads to drive on, and those folks using gasoline get to pay for them. I wonder if the diesel tax is going up, in Trump's world.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:19 PM

10. CA does this already. We had a 12 cent a gallon tax increase.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:45 PM

37. PA has a 50 cent a gallon gas tax

It is helping with the backlog of road/bridge maintenance and would help more, but our legislature chooses also to pay for State Police operations from this fund. PA SP are gobbling up increasing amounts of the extra money.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:51 PM

39. Isn't that always the way?!?!

We increase taxes to give more money to public schools after it passes with an overwhelming number of votes, yet when it come down to it the schools actually end up getting about 25% and the rest goes "elsewhere".

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:45 PM

48. It's puzzling to me why the state police

don't have a seperate budget line item. The Rs are always proclaiming their love of all things law enforcement. PA governors have line item veto authority, but I doubt any would use that on a state police funding line.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:20 PM

11. So combine that with our state's proposal for a six cent

Increase we are at 31 cents. We fill up 4 times per month so 31times ten tines 4 is 12.40.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:23 PM

14. I think it was lawrence odonnel who covered it last night.....

The trucking companies support the increase because it is supposed to fund infrastructure maintenance.

Mconnel has said publically no chance; not even a penny. The gop will go ballistic over this. They want to fund infrastructure by cutting benefits, not raising taxes.

It's what they do. Trump probably just saw it on fox. They will turn it around.

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Response to getagrip_already (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:34 PM

17. I'm glad I read your post

I would have thought trucking and logistics would be very much against this. I guess they'll just pass the cost on to their clients.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:33 PM

16. So Ma and Pa Kettle's tax cut savings get eaten up by a downpayment for privatized infrastructure

Brilliant.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:34 PM

18. Yyeeeep

Spot on

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:38 PM

19. That should go swimmingly with the corrupt conservative base.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:41 PM

21. This will make PA's gas tax, already highest in the nation, even higher

Ours was done for the same reason (infrastructure) but also included using it as a dedicated funding source for mass transit (notably SEPTA here in Philly metro), and came with increases in other PennDOT fees as well.

Pennsylvania had highest gas tax in August
The Tribune-Review | Tuesday, Oct. 3, 2017, 4:24 p.m.

The state-inflicted pain at Pennsylvania's gas pumps in August was twice the national average, according to the Energy Information Administration.

At 59.3 cents per gallon, the birthplace of the petroleum industry had the highest state tax on gasoline. Alaska had the lowest at 8.95 cents per gallon. The average state tax was 27.85 cents per gallon.

These are the amounts the states add to the federal gasoline tax, which has been 18.4 cents per gallon since 1993, the agency said.

Pennsylvania's tax on gasoline increased 7.9 cents per gallon from August 2016, which put it in the second tier of states in terms of increases. The state's 15.4 percent increase compares to an average increase of 4.5 percent among all states.

http://triblive.com/business/headlines/12802325-74/pennsylvania-had-highest-gas-tax-in-august


https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=33172

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:52 PM

24. I don't like this

I can't afford a ton as it is. More on gas is going to kill my disposable income.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:46 PM

42. That's the idea! Less disposable income for you/us... more for Trump's billionaires.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:53 PM

25. Oh Please God let him pass this!

This will end GOP rule for fifty years!

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 04:51 PM

55. It didn't end GOP rule when gas was $4-5 per gallon under Bush....

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 05:56 PM

26. There goes that secretary's Costco membership.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:00 PM

29. And just like that, the Trump tax cut vanishes.

Voila!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:04 PM

31. Tax Cut to a Tax Hike

“Stupid Is as Stupid Does”

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:18 PM

33. All Humpty Dumpty & the GOP thugs needed to do was hold back 1% of the corporate tax cut. Evil

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:23 PM

34. Gas taxes hit the poor disproportionately

Looks like Trump is going to be a tax-raising president after all. He'll take credit for improvements in the infrastructure (which, being privatized, we'll pay for in tolls) without pointing out he raised taxes to do it.

We can't let him get to message this. #Tax-raisingTrump

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:35 PM

35. that $1.50 increase in the paycheck quickly gone. A big tax on lower and middleclass americans who

actually have to drive to work.

Yep, the taxcut being quickly replaced with huge tax increases elsewhere as predicted

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:37 PM

36. If it really goes into infrastructure as opposed to say Brown and Root, I can live with that...

and while we're at it, why not add a $.05 cent auto drivers insurance premium to every gallon of gas for medical insurance and vehicle insurance. Everybody pays, everybody drives insured.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:58 PM

40. So did this pinhead think that this will cover his plane rides....................

after all aviation gas is expensive, or his trying to figure a way to siphon it off into his back pocket.....................


November 2018 cannot get fast enough

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:02 PM

43. Of COURSE...since that would disproportionately affect the poor & middle class.

Anytime you have something that we ALL pay the same for, that cost is a larger % of income. So it "costs" you more, in terms of effect on your expenses, when you have less money or income.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:22 PM

46. Value added taxes

….always hurt the middle and working class the most. They always want to use it when they cut income taxes.

Can you imagine Ryan's happy worker who will get an extra $1.50 a week and now may have to pay 25cents per gallon more? That extra quarter per gallon will be a fortune for her. May cost her her job if she can't afford to get to work.



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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:04 PM

47. In an offhand kind of way, I hope they do this

It will have several benefits.

The most obvious is it'll provide money to fix the roads. We sure as hell aren't going to get that from general revenues, and the road network is bad enough right now that the gas tax money currently coming in won't solve the problems we have.

Then there's the perception of the thing. If the price of gasoline suddenly jumps from $3.25 per gallon to $3.50 per gallon, a lot of people are going to think, "maybe we really DON'T need that one-ton pickup we've had for five years that gets 12 mpg and still doesn't have one scratch in the bed."

But the best part is the political ramifications. If Trump signs this bill, it will end the Republican Party's ability to get elected for a very, very long time. The federal gasoline tax is 18.4 cents per gallon, and the federal diesel tax is 24.4. Trump, and any Republican who votes for this bill, will NOT be able to live down "he voted for (or "he signed" the largest tax hike in your lifetime." (The increase will be 236 percent on gas and 202 percent on diesel.) When President Clinton raised the gas tax by less than a nickel a gallon, the deplorables were at the White House gates with pitchforks and tiki torches; imagine what'll happen when Trump goes five times better.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 07:17 AM

51. Looks like his so-called tax cut will partially pay for all of his new tax increases.

Pea and shell game frauds. Another day in Paradise!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 08:07 AM

52. Fact is, repairs must be done...and someone has to pay somehow...

Last edited Thu Feb 15, 2018, 08:53 AM - Edit history (1)

When we pay this increase in federal gas tax as individuals, it'll be 25 cents more per gallon. Unfortunately, as individuals, we can't pass the increase downstream, it's us ultimately paying the tax. Businesses can pass the tax downstream, to once again, individuals/us. So in any event, we get slammed with the tax, basically a double set of taxes coming at us.

However, there is more to this issue too. As increases in taxes occurs, businesses will either absorb higher costs or pass along the higher costs downstream in increased prices. They also get to write off the higher federal gas taxes. Thus, we get a 3-fold impact of these increased federal gas taxes (businesses, higher costs of goods, individuals).

I see inflation kicking in. I also see a tightening of budgets across the entire land, and perhaps adjustments will occur (people adjust habits, buy less gas, cut down on the purchase of discretionary items). Unfortunate (or fortunate, on how you look) in the estimated amount of fed. gas taxes collected will be less! What then? Will they increase fed. gas taxes again?

A vicious cycle. Ironic since tRUMP is favoring the fossil fuels industry. Also seems to discriminate against those who rely on driving for an income. Perhaps this will usher in the use of more electric vehicles, solar, etc. Kind of a total turnaround by tRUMP in some weird way after he slammed on tariffs on solar, etc.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 04:46 PM

54. Total BS if ANYONE thinks that all of that 25 cents PLUS the 18 we pay now will go for roads,airport

That shit will be used to offset MASSIVE revenue losses for YEARS from this Corporate tax give away. Hell,we pay 24 cents per gallon in Kansas for the State part and Republican Gov Brokeback had NO PROBLEM along with the Republican legislature as to RAIDING that fund to try and offset ZERO tax rates for Corporations and they got away with it for FOUR YEARS.

It go so bad that KDOT couldn't even take BIDS because they would be meaningless by the time you could actually do the const.

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