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Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:24 PM

Pa. gov rejects proposed redistricting map from GOP lawmakers

Source: The Hill




BY LISA HAGEN - 02/13/18 12:03 PM EST

Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf (D) on Tuesday rejected a new district map drawn by GOP lawmakers, bringing the state closer to handing its redistricting process over to a court.

The GOP map was drawn after the state Supreme Court struck down the state’s current map in a gerrymandering case.

Wolf’s press office Link to tweet
" target="_blank">confirmed that the governor told Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court that he won’t approve the new congressional lines because it is a “partisan gerrymander that does not comply” with the court’s order or state constitution.

State GOP lawmakers submitted a new map to Wolf last Friday, just ahead of the court-ordered deadline for new lines. The governor had until Thursday to decided whether to approve the map.

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Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/373610-pa-gov-rejects-proposed-redistricting-map-from-gop-lawmakers

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Reply Pa. gov rejects proposed redistricting map from GOP lawmakers (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #1
lark Feb 2018 #2
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #9
bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #11
lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #13
SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #3
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #8
awesomerwb1 Feb 2018 #4
blue neen Feb 2018 #5
turbinetree Feb 2018 #6
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #7
DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #10
BumRushDaShow Feb 2018 #12
ailsagirl Feb 2018 #14
riversedge Feb 2018 #15

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:28 PM

1. Democrats are growing a spine

Time was we might have approved it to appear 'reasonable', or compromised to 'reach across the aisle'.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:37 PM

2. Hope the Dem justices continue to hang tough.

They need to follow through and submit a new fair district map and forget about the screaming from the cheating repugs.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:46 PM

9. Gov Wolf is quiet, but he doesn't suffer fools

And this new map was drawn by a couple of fools. I'm sure Wolf had his own redistricting expert examine the map and give him unbiased input before making his decision.

I do think Scarnati and Turzai might try to draft another map and get it through the legislature again by tomorrow. They'll have to include Dems and their own members in the process, though, to have a chance Wolf will approve another new map. Of course if the Rs hadn't wasted most of the time the PA Supreme Court gave them on futile appeals, they could have done a bi-partisan map instead of the two leaders throwing one together at the last minute.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:52 PM

11. Is there such a thing as a non-gerrymandered partisan outcome?

60/40% Dems/Rats registration where the map is contiguous but Rats still get 66% of the seats?

Gerrymandering is such an old school term, based on shape of districts.

Now we apply demographics, race, affiliation

One man one vote doesn't fit well with an outcome skewed to the minority party

Gerrymandering 3.0

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:02 PM

13. It's done by computer algorithms now. Put in neutral rules, get a neutral map.

That's why it can be done in days instead of months now.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:45 PM

3. Sounds like the courts are going to have to do the job here...

GOP has already proven incapable of doing so impartially or on a non-partisan basis. Not once have I heard anyone suggesting a joint drawing of the maps, e.g., you pick first, then I pick, and so on and so forth. Like cutting the cake bit, so as to ensure no one gets a bigger piece of cake than the others.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:38 PM

8. They have to be careful however

because the GOP could sue the courts for doing what the legislature is supposed to do. So from what I gather from a telephone townhall I had with my State Senator last week, there are multiple parties that were part of the suit that could submit their maps to the governor and then some consensus version could be agreed to and the governor could approve that as part of a "shell bill" created and approved from the legislature, where the map would be inserted as part of that to comply with the court order.

I.e., it was anticipated that the court would have those parties do it and not have it appear to be literally "drawn by" the justices of the court.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:54 PM

4. Well done Tom Wolf. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 01:59 PM

5. Thank you, Governor Wolf, for doing the right thing!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:01 PM

6. Hey Pennsylvania Republicans .....

https://conorlamb.com/



The blue wave is coming.................your losing the math count............






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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:32 PM

7. Governor's office tweet



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The Press Office

@GovernorsOffice

Today, @GovernorTomWolf told @SupremeCtofPA that he will not accept the proposed map GOP @PaLegis leaders submitted because it, too, is a partisan gerrymander that does not comply with the court’s order or PA’s Constitution. http://on.pa.gov/2nZU1Oz
11:40 AM - Feb 13, 2018
Governor Tom Wolf Rejects Partisan Gerrymandered Map

Governor Wolf told the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that he will not accept the proposed map Republican legislative leaders submitted because it, too, is a partisan gerrymander that does not comply...
governor.pa.gov


Here is the press release -

Governor Tom Wolf Rejects Partisan Gerrymandered Map
February 13, 2018

Analyses, Non-Partisan Experts Say GOP Submission is Partisan, Gerrymandered

Harrisburg, PA – Governor Tom Wolf today told the Pennsylvania Supreme Court that he will not accept the proposed map Republican legislative leaders submitted because it, too, is a partisan gerrymander that does not comply with the court’s order or Pennsylvania’s Constitution.

“Partisan gerrymandering weakens citizen power, promotes gridlock and stifles meaningful reform,” Governor Wolf said. ” As non-partisan analysts have already said, their map maintains a similar partisan advantage by employing many of the same unconstitutional tactics present in their 2011 map.

“The analysis by my team shows that, like the 2011 map, the map submitted to my office by Republican leaders is still a gerrymander. Their map clearly seeks to benefit one political party, which is the essence of why the court found the current map to be unconstitutional.”

Read a statement from Professor Moon Duchin on her analysis here.

The analysis by Governor Wolf’s team confirms the universal analysis of various non-partisan experts that say the Republican leaders’ submission is another partisan gerrymander.

  • Princeton University professor Sam Wang said bluntly that “a prettier map can still conceal ill intent” and “it appears that Republicans are not dealing in good faith with the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s order.”

  • A Washington Post data expert concluded, “Pennsylvania Republicans have drawn a new congressional map that is just as gerrymandered as the old one.”

  • The New York Times found the submitted map would extract the same partisan advantage for Republicans as the current one.

  • Brian Amos, a redistricting expert at the University of Florida, said, “…There was still a strong Republican bias, which is why the congressional and State Senate plans were struck down for being gerrymanders.”


  • https://www.governor.pa.gov/governor-tom-wolf-rejects-partisan-gerrymandered-map/


    Here is the direct link to the document (PDF) that was included in the above press release as a link - https://www.governor.pa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/20180213-Summary-of-conclusions-of-joint-submission-plan-M.-Duchin-021318.pdf

    The commentary in that document says in part -

    We ran algorithms to generate many millions of alternative districting plans that scored better than the proposed Joint Submission Plan on the Supreme Court’s factors (respect for political boundaries, compactness, and population parity), but were substantially less weighted toward Republican candidates than the proposed Joint Submission Plan.

    I concluded that the proposed Joint Submission Plan’s bias in favor of Republicans is extremely unlikely to have come about by chance.

    There is no more than a 0.1% chance that a plan drafted to comply with the Court’s factors would have been as favorable to Republicans as is the proposed Joint Submission Plan.

    When measured by tracking its partisan bias, the proposed Joint Submission Plan failed emphatically. Only the 2011 plan that is currently in effect started from a more severe partisan skew and stood out more in this test.

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    Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

    Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:52 PM

    10. MathMan strikes again!

    I'm sure Scarnati and Turzai thought they were being clever until MathMan struck.

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    Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #10)

    Tue Feb 13, 2018, 02:54 PM

    12. They think the world is as stupid as they are

    I like that Sam Wang was involved!

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    Response to DonViejo (Original post)

    Tue Feb 13, 2018, 03:20 PM

    14. GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Response to DonViejo (Original post)

    Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:19 AM

    15. 🌊🌊🌊 #FlipItBlue #BlueWave2018 #ConorLambPA...

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