HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » Latest Breaking News (Forum) » West Virginia Police Offi...

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 02:31 PM

West Virginia Police Officer Fired After Choosing Not to Shoot Distraught Suspect Gets $175000 Settl

Source: KTLA

Full title: West Virginia Police Officer Fired After Choosing Not to Shoot Distraught Suspect Gets $175,000 Settlement

A West Virginia city has agreed to pay a former police officer $175,000 to settle a wrongful-termination lawsuit after he was fired following his decision not to shoot a distraught suspect who was holding a gun. “At the end of the day, I’m happy to put this chapter of my life to bed,” Mader said in a news release by the American Civil Liberties Union of West Virginia.

The incident occurred May 6, 2016, when Mader responded to a domestic-disturbance call and found Ronald “R.J.” Williams Jr. with an unloaded handgun. Mader told CNN last year that Williams was “visibly choked up” and told Mader to shoot him. As a Marine veteran who served in Afghanistan, Mader told CNN that he concluded Williams wasn’t a threat and so he tried to de-escalate the situation.

As Mader was trying to get Williams to drop his gun, two other Weirton police officers arrived. Mader told CNN that Williams raised his gun and was immediately shot and killed by one of the other officers. A state investigation found the officer’s actions were justified.

“No police officer should ever lose their job — or have their name dragged through the mud — for choosing to talk to, rather than shoot, a fellow citizen,” he said. “His decision to attempt to de-escalate the situation should have been praised, not punished. Simply put, no police officer should ever feel forced to take a life unnecessarily to save his career.”

Read more: http://ktla.com/2018/02/12/west-virginia-police-officer-fired-after-choosing-not-to-shoot-distraught-suspect-gets-175000-settlement/



There's also a more verbose story on WaPo behind a paywall here:
https://t.co/8hHxTwzxEI

And I think my favourite tweet on the subject here:



So they aren’t just passively selecting for that tendency now, they’re leaning into it and making it explicit; kill by preference over any other way of resolving the situation.
Utterly disgusting.


And an important one from the ACLU:



Officer Mader used de-escalation techniques instead of deadly force in an encounter with RJ Williams, a Black man with a gun. Mader was fired for NOT shooting. We sued on his behalf and won, but police to embrace de-escalation techniques to save lives.

13 replies, 2972 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 13 replies Author Time Post
Reply West Virginia Police Officer Fired After Choosing Not to Shoot Distraught Suspect Gets $175000 Settl (Original post)
Saviolo Feb 2018 OP
Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #1
brush Feb 2018 #2
lark Feb 2018 #3
bluestarone Feb 2018 #4
SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #5
LittleGirl Feb 2018 #6
PatrickforO Feb 2018 #7
Victor_c3 Feb 2018 #8
Botany Feb 2018 #9
BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #10
Angry Dragon Feb 2018 #11
George II Feb 2018 #12
Saviolo Feb 2018 #13

Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 02:34 PM

1. kick for truth...

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 02:38 PM

2. Disgusting. They fire the good cop who tried to de-escalate instead of kill. How fucked up is that?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 02:39 PM

3. Whoohoo for him and his family.

Brickbats and jeers for the town in WV, too bad they don't have to pay even more than that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 02:40 PM

4. AMAZING fired for doing the right thing

today there is so LITTLE VALUE put on human life!!!! GOOD FOR THE ACLU!!!!

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 02:57 PM

5. Killer Cop Probably Got Honored

 

And a raise too.

The department also sent "thoughts & prayers" to the victim's family.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 03:16 PM

6. Unbelievable!

The good guy that is a veteran realized the guy wasn't a threat and the two other officers showed up and killed the distraught man anyway. And the Vet got fired for talking to the guy instead of shooting him. WTF is this country coming to?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:12 PM

7. That's really good. Go ACLU!

Sad they fired him for not shooting.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:24 PM

8. I had a situation where I had to decide to murder or not murder a person

I was in Iraq in 2004. One of my platoon’s vehicles broke down and we were in the middle of hooking it up and towing it when we received a bunch of enemy small arms fire and mortars. I found, without a doubt, one of the people who was responsibly for the attack. He was about 800 meters away, wearing a bandana, and looked guilty as hell. He was running as fast as he could in a field in the pitch darkness. I didn’t see a weapon on him and I ordered my gunner to not fire on him.

To this day, nearly 14 years later I am still convinced that he was one of the people responsible for an attack on me and me and my men. I deal with a lot of guilt for ordering my gunner to stand down and letting this guy go. I should have killed him when I had the chance to. However, I didnt as I had the slightest bit of doubt in my mind.

People, who aren’t ever in the position to decide to murder someone, don’t deserve to pass judgement on someone has had to make that call. It is too easy to say “fire” and kill a human being, but it is a true judge of character to order restraint.

Regardless of whether or not the guy made the right call, I applaud his decision to not kill a fellow human being.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:41 PM

9. I can't find fault w/the other cops either

Somebody waving a gun @ a cop is gonna get shot.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 04:53 PM

10. What happened to Tasers and rubber bullets and stuff? Too 2001? Trials ARE expensive though....n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 05:14 PM

11. KICK

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 05:33 PM

12. Good for him. But I'm sure the $175K barely covers his expenses and lost income. AND....

....as a side note, KTLA's headline is very confusing ("Officer fired after not shooting"?)

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to George II (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 05:52 PM

13. Yeah, I only used the KTLA because WaPo is a paywall.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread