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Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:10 PM

Liam Neeson says harassment allegations are now 'a witch-hunt'

Source: Guardian

Hollywood A-lister suggests the treatment of some celebrities, such as Garrison Keillor, has been excessive. Liam Neeson has described the wave of sexual misconduct allegations that have swept the entertainment industry as “a bit of a witch-hunt” and appeared to dismiss breast groping as “childhood stuff” in an interview on Irish television.

Speaking on The Late Late Show on RTE, the Hollywood A-lister said “there’s some people, famous people, being suddenly accused of touching some girl’s knee, or something, and suddenly they’re being dropped from their program, or something”.

The French actor Catherine Deneuve drew sharp criticism this week when she also used the term “witch-hunt” to describe the chain of events since allegations of serial sexual assault were made against Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein last year.

Asked what he thought of the sweep of allegations in his industry, Neeson said: “It’s a bit of a witch-hunt.”





Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/13/liam-neeson-says-harassment-allegations-have-become-a-witch-hunt

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Reply Liam Neeson says harassment allegations are now 'a witch-hunt' (Original post)
ansible Jan 2018 OP
kstewart33 Jan 2018 #1
jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #15
kstewart33 Jan 2018 #29
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #33
David__77 Jan 2018 #2
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #34
pnwmom Jan 2018 #3
Hortensis Jan 2018 #19
Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #35
bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #4
mountain grammy Jan 2018 #5
pnwmom Jan 2018 #6
alarimer Jan 2018 #10
Ken Burch Jan 2018 #21
Owl Jan 2018 #7
OnDoutside Jan 2018 #8
milestogo Jan 2018 #9
jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #14
Demit Jan 2018 #22
pnwmom Jan 2018 #25
Demit Jan 2018 #30
pnwmom Jan 2018 #32
pnwmom Jan 2018 #23
marble falls Jan 2018 #11
jl_theprofessor Jan 2018 #13
marble falls Jan 2018 #16
pnwmom Jan 2018 #24
still_one Jan 2018 #12
oberliner Jan 2018 #17
still_one Jan 2018 #18
oberliner Jan 2018 #20
summer_in_TX Jan 2018 #26
pnwmom Jan 2018 #36
janterry Jan 2018 #27
Stardust1 Jan 2018 #28
RobinA Jan 2018 #31
Stardust1 Jan 2018 #39
pnwmom Jan 2018 #37
Stardust1 Jan 2018 #38

Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:17 PM

1. Liam needs to do some homework before making a public statement.

Groping a woman's breast is child's stuff?

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Response to kstewart33 (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:17 PM

15. No but being accused

 

of putting your hand too high up someone's back is.

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:43 PM

29. Women have dealt with this crap for centuries in this country.

And the vast majority took it and dealt with it and never said a word.

So I'm not very empathetic about a very small number of men having to deal with accusations they view as making a mountain out of a molehill.

If a guy puts his hand too high up my back, that's a problem.

Here's a rule that would solve the problem: don't touch a woman's body without her permission.

Very simple. It's stunning to me that many guys just can't bring themselves to follow that rule. But if they did, there would never be a problem.

That's the problem.

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:11 AM

33. +1. nt

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:22 PM

2. Link to video of him speaking.

Here's a video:



Everyone will have their own criterion of what is appropriate or not appropriate. I do have concerns about the fact that accusations for which there's no further evidence can cause careers to be wrecked. It may cause a new standard of communication and relation. My ex was a school teacher, and he would never be alone with a student because he was concerned, as a gay man, that he might face false accusation of inappropriate behavior.

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Response to David__77 (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:15 AM

34. I have these concerns, too. Remember an MSNBC contract guy was fired immediately...

after some accusation from years before...it was nothing shocking, but I don't recall the details. But nothing anyone should be fired over, IMO. It was a hasty, rash reflex in the fury of the "Me, too" movement.

Thank goodness they took him back, stating they had been too hasty.

It's gone from "he came out naked under a robe and said I'd have to stay and watch him, if I want the job" to "he put his hand around my waist when he agreed to take a pic with me that I asked him to take."

Like many things involving masses of people, it can get out of hand.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:26 PM

3. Unless he's referring to Al Franken, the entertainer's, fake breast groping. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:49 PM

19. It's as much the accuser. Extremists carried away

by zealotry incapable of balance, and even decency, are just as real in this scenario as those good people who are grabbing this moment to further good. To imagine one is joining a good "side" is to do wrong. There is no black and white here, and justice demands attention on individual cases, both of accusers and victims.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:18 AM

35. Ben Affleck had made a juvenile grope on camera in a casual interview years ago.

He apologized for it. I saw the video....on the beach I think, attractive blonde with mike interviewing him in casual setting. He's answering, acting silly, then he just reaches over to grab her boob, like kinda joking (like a teenage guy would do), but really did very quickly grab her, then withdrew his hand. Even then I think he said on camera that he was sorry, and she said it was okay (what else would she say?). Maybe that's it.

Maybe Neeson was just making a general "such as" reference, but no case in particular.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:31 PM

4. It's sending a chill into human as well as business interactions

written consent has been floated as wise, or a good idea by some people, and yes, best not to be left alone with anyone in this environment, and parse words carefully

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:34 PM

5. Well theres Tina Dupuy and the Al Franken resignation..

Witch hunt?

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:35 PM

6. Having just watched that video, I think that title is hyperbole.

He used the word "witch hunt" in the way some DUers might use it to refer to the allegations against Al Franken.

He said that what he's been learning about how women are treated has been "chilling." And he's clearly disgusted with Harvey Weinstein and others. But he wonders if some people, like Garrison Keillor, might have been unfairly targeted. And he's not certain what to think about the allegations against Dustin Hoffman.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:11 PM

10. It was more of a thoughtful response than the headlines indicate.

And I think he's not entirely wrong.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:11 PM

21. Garrison's situation is as close as you can get to "on the bubble" in this.

 

He simply touched a woman's back in was probably a instinctual attempt to offer comfort, immediately realized this wasn't the right thing to do and with equal immediacy apologized. The woman appeared to accept his apology. Then, eight or ten years later, on the verge of retirement, not having repeated the act in any other situation, he gets called out and fired?

If a societal consensus had emerged accepting the need to stop sexual harassment, would he even have ended up in the situation he was in? Did he get forced out simply because the feeling was that the larger problem would only be addressed by making what he did on(apparently) a single occasion a career-ending thing?

Don't have anything else to say, don't know the answers, and recognize that the rules on all of this should be determined entirely by women.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 05:40 PM

7. Exactly

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:02 PM

8. Spicer was also on the Late Late, talking through his shithole, still professing

His love for Trump.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:08 PM

9. He should keep acting and STFU about everything else.

We like to watch you in movies, not to listen to you.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:15 PM

14. How dare we allow people

 

to assert their freedom of speech.

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:24 PM

22. Freedom of speech, freedom to criticize said speech.

Your freedom to criticize the criticizers. All part of it.

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Response to Demit (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:49 PM

25. But people are criticizing the speech that the Guardian presented through a distorted lens.

It would be better if they listened to the video that someone else posted here.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #25)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:53 PM

30. Oh. Well, I'm not really following this thread. Just reacting to what looked like

the misguided concept that freedom of speech equals freedom from being criticized. That one always gets me

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Response to Demit (Reply #30)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:58 PM

32. You are perfectly right about that. But I think the title writer of the Guardian piece

misled a lot of people who didn't watch the video. Neeson's comments were much more thoughtful and nuanced than you'd guess by reading the title.

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Response to milestogo (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:47 PM

23. And maybe you should listen to his actual words on the video rather than rushing

to judgment based on a poor summary in the Guardian piece.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:12 PM

11. Its really not his call. Justice is for everyone, not just for the first ones in.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:15 PM

13. Just requires evidence

 

and the ability to face your accuser.

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Response to jl_theprofessor (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:20 PM

16. And its not time to roll up the forum for those who still have an accounting to be made.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:48 PM

24. He isn't saying that at all. I'm betting you didn't watch the video. n/t

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

12. I think it is time that if someone does an inappropriate action toward someone else, that someone

else needs to call it out right there and then, ideally by telling that person to stop it, and if the person continues, then take appropriate action against this person, whether it is legally, or to loudly and clearly tell that person to keep their f**king hands to themselves



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Response to still_one (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:37 PM

17. That is a lot to ask

Especially in certain power dynamic circumstances.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 06:46 PM

18. Gee, I guess I can use that excuse for anything. If my boss asks me to do something illegal,

because of certain "power dynamics", I should just do what they want, because it is a lot to ask


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Response to still_one (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:11 PM

20. Yes, I agree

Especially for young people - it can be very difficult.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:59 PM

26. As a naive 19-year old

I froze when after dinner at an acquaintance's house, while my little sister and the man's wife was in another room, he picked up my hand and put it on his crotch.

After I got over the initial shock, I got my sister, made polite goodbyes to his wife and him and left.

Why didn't I say something then? I don't completely know. Not wanting to bust up a marriage? I was very shy at that age, and avoided conflict like the plague. He and his wife were past middle-aged. Trying to protect my sister? After we left, I found out that earlier in the evening she had a similar thing happen (and likewise didn't say anything).

After we were safely out of there, the next day I called and gave him a piece of my mind - more indignant about him doing that to my sister than myself. I don't think at that time I knew what he did was potentially criminal. It never occurred to me to even tell my parents, much less take any legal steps. That was around 1971, and what little I knew about crimes involving sex was limited to rape.

And though it was an unpleasant memory that I didn't forget, I also didn't dwell on it. Of course in my case, I wasn't in a workplace environment or subjected to power dynamics. Also I didn't see the old creep again so the memory wasn't aggravated by those factors.

Just to say, young people like I was don't necessarily have a clue about how to deal with something completely out of their knowledge or experience.

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Response to summer_in_TX (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:25 AM

36. Good for you for calling him and yelling at him!

At that age I don't think I'd have been that brave.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:04 PM

27. I don't think that's quite true

But I do sympathize with someone whose past behaviors don't comport with their behavior today. Moreover, we are talking about mistakes with the same ardor as deliberate, overt, and dangerous sexual assault incidents.

That just can't be right.

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Response to ansible (Original post)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:34 PM

28. In my personal experience

The reason why most woman I know don't speak up is because they're afraid of being called liars, bitches, gold diggers, feminists etc. It's the easiest way to shut a victim up.

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Response to Stardust1 (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:44 PM

31. Well, Neither Is There

any requirement that women speak up. We all experience crap from other people throughout our lives that we just let go.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 01:06 AM

39. Well,

when life gives us sh*t, we build a toilet. We don't just put up with it.

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Response to Stardust1 (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:26 AM

37. Welcome to DU, Stardust1! n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 14, 2018, 01:02 AM

38. Thank you :)

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