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Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:27 PM

Fox host on Trump s---hole remark: 'This is how the forgotten men and women talk'

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Source: The Hill

Fox News host Jesse Watters defended President Trump's reported remark calling Haiti and some African nations "shithole" countries on Thursday, arguing that the "forgotten men and women" who make up the president's base would approve of the remark.

On Fox News's "The Five," Watters fought back against criticism from Democrats and some Republicans over Trump's remark, which some have deemed racist and offensive to immigrants from those nations.

"This is how the forgotten men and women of America talk at the bar," Watters told his co-hosts. "If you're at a bar, and you're in Wisconsin, and you think they're bringing in a bunch of Haiti people, or El Salvadorans, or people from Niger, this is how some people talk."

"Is it graceful? No," he added. "Is it polite, or delicate? Absolutely not. Is it a little offensive? Of course it is. But you know what? This doesn't move the needle at all."

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/368631-fox-host-on-trump-s-hole-remark-this-is-how-the-forgotten-men



The hottest circle of hell is for the people who enable this atrocity.

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Reply Fox host on Trump s---hole remark: 'This is how the forgotten men and women talk' (Original post)
fountainofyouth Jan 2018 OP
Lint Head Jan 2018 #1
Corgigal Jan 2018 #2
Dawson Leery Jan 2018 #3
underpants Jan 2018 #6
Dawson Leery Jan 2018 #11
Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #10
MFM008 Jan 2018 #4
still_one Jan 2018 #5
yallerdawg Jan 2018 #7
tanyev Jan 2018 #8
gopiscrap Jan 2018 #9
BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #12
TomCADem Jan 2018 #21
bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #13
truthisfreedom Jan 2018 #14
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #15
llmart Jan 2018 #41
bhikkhu Jan 2018 #16
Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #17
sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #18
dalton99a Jan 2018 #19
tclambert Jan 2018 #20
SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #22
trueblue2007 Jan 2018 #23
RussBLib Jan 2018 #24
totodeinhere Jan 2018 #25
RussBLib Jan 2018 #26
GusBob Jan 2018 #27
Midnight Writer Jan 2018 #31
GusBob Jan 2018 #39
Saviolo Jan 2018 #28
Duppers Jan 2018 #29
Beacool Jan 2018 #30
chelsea0011 Jan 2018 #32
samnsara Jan 2018 #33
otchmoson Jan 2018 #34
jpak Jan 2018 #35
NickB79 Jan 2018 #36
oberliner Jan 2018 #37
Mr. Ected Jan 2018 #38
hatrack Jan 2018 #40
llmart Jan 2018 #42
lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #43
Paladin Jan 2018 #44
Initech Jan 2018 #45
RobinA Jan 2018 #46
Solly Mack Jan 2018 #47
DonViejo Jan 2018 #48

Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:27 PM

1. That's how people you need to forget talk.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:29 PM

2. Yeah, keep waiting

White forgotten people to save you.

Youre not qualified, in Trumps mind to wash his car. Only the wealthy matter.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:32 PM

3. The "forgotten" do not want to be saved.

They want wallow in their own shit and blame the world.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:35 PM

6. Yep. You nailed it.

Something I posted on Monday
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016199540

"..to vote for me...privilege" - a theory I've developed about Obama


Trump's comments today about the audience having the privilege to vote for him reminded me of something I've been thinking about recently.

Stepping back a few steps - Why were people so willing to accept negatives about Obama?
Party affiliation? Sure. Racism? Of course. Brainwashing? To some degree.

People love to gripe and moan
This cuts across race or location -urban or rural.
From "the man keeping me down" to "take this job and shove it" there's a constant energy of anger at outside forces. The Army runs on it (trust me). Talk radio was created to give the White guy stuck in traffic or in their car unhappy with their boss/wife/lot in life a target for their rage.


Familiarty
People are familiar with being angry. Their used to it and they don't like it being messed with but they want it how they are used to it.

I used to work with social workers. The smoking area at any work is a World of wisdom and rumor. I used to talk several times a day with social workers who'd seen it all. From counseling Post Office employees (Vietnam Vets) to crisis management (jumpers) to mental health to substance abuse in every setting imaginable between them. There was something I learned that is a truism in the industry especially in substance abuse - its hard to beat the community. This is how things are. People like the familiarity even if it's bad.

One said it straight to me: "Sure they can get out but the people around them give them every chance to fail. Wanna know why? If this person gets out it means that they could have too and they don't want to face that. If no one gets out then they are right and comfortable"

WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!
The racial element of that has been well covered. What did they want back? Basically everyone just got ripped off. Here's come this middle class guy following the bluest of Brahman elite. Unlike Bill "The Boy from Hope" Clinton played up his past against the Elder Bush, Obama didn't (this could have been a measured move by the campaign) instead focusing on the future and avoiding the juxtaposition (though implied) to W. What they wanted back was their familiar place.

Their familiar place was that they couldn't really see ever attaining what Obama had. It was too in their face, the face in the mirror.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:43 PM

11. ...at the same time,

the Deplorables want to hate the world around them and receive the benefits of it.

They hate the "others"/immigration/trade/First Amendment,etc.

But they love their cheap goods, their Smartphones/Ipods/labtops/cheap deals at Wal-Mart.

They love the Constitutional protections for themselves, but no one else.

They want it both ways.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:41 PM

10. Yup. And they over-rely on their Democratic leaning buddies to help them out of a jam.

Many of them are lousy business people and don't know more than to sock their money away, while they borrow and break appliances from anyone who is foolish enough to lend it to them.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:32 PM

4. screw them to

they are his 'loyal' base.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:34 PM

5. no, that is how f**king racists talk, and fox pseudo news is loaded up to its neck with em

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:36 PM

7. I caught that.

Can't wait for 'Fox and Friends' in the morning 6-5CT.

In the morning - relax, take a Rohrer 714 (NYC 70's reference), and watch who triggers the Dotard tweets on this subject.

You'll know what his response will be before HE does!

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:38 PM

8. Except DOTUS wasnt in a bar grousing to his buddies.

I bet a lot of the ‘forgotten men and women’ can clean it up when they are at meetings at work.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:41 PM

9. the reason these people might be forgotten is because they talk like that

and the underlying xenophobia and racism it represents!!!

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:46 PM

12. Remember - DUers want Democrats to "embrace" these people because

"white working class" and "economics".

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:27 PM

21. Sanders defends Trump voters: I don't think they're racists, sexists or homophobes

Are you suggesting that Trump's voters did not support his policies like the yuge tax cut that is Trump's sole accomplishment to date or making sick people on Medicaid work?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) on Friday defended voters of President Trump, saying that the election was Democrats' to lose and that the party needs to better represent the working-class voters who supported Trump and other GOP lawmakers

"Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks. I don't agree, because I've been there. Let me tell you something else some of you might not agree with, it wasn't that Donald Trump won the election, it was that the Democratic Party lost the election," Sanders said while speaking at an Our Revolution rally in Boston with fellow Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.).

Sanders went on to say that a "fundamental restructuring of the Democratic party" was needed to win future elections and that problems with party's current setup is why many were quick to support Trump in the election, not because of some of the rhetoric on the campaign trail.

"We need a Democratic Party that is not a party of the liberal elite but of the working class of this country, we need a party that is a grassroots party, where candidates are talking to working people not spending their time raising money for the wealthy and the powerful," Sanders said. "And when we do that, when we transform the Democratic Party, we transform America."

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:46 PM

13. lowest common denominator

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:47 PM

14. No, this is how ignorant people speak.

How idiots speak. How uneducated, unenlightened, crude, coarse and thoughtless people speak, and 45 never moves the needle. He’s not even on the meter. He’s in the gutter.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:49 PM

15. And they want us to feel sorry for them?

They should remain forgotten.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:56 AM

41. Exactly!

The press has given them way too much attention. They are a minority. They need to be marginalized and not catered to. The Democratic party should NEVER want these sorts of people in their party unless they are willing to change and see the light.

Let them live in the past where they belong.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:58 PM

16. Which is like saying - "yeah, we're assholes, so what?"

I suppose this is a different kind of "big tent" philosophy, where you have to cater to assholes and treat them like special snowflakes, lest they think they should ever have a moment of self-examination.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:59 PM

17. So Fox thinks Trumps base all hangs out at bars to talk Immigration?

And they all use vulgar racist terminology because they do not know any better. And they are proud of their lack of education and ignorance. And the GOP is proud to exploit their lack of education and ignorance. And Fox wishes all Americans were just like Trump’s base.

Is that about right?

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:59 PM

18. Maybe that's why they're forgotten. They choose to be full of hate and fear of

"Others".

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:14 PM

19. Fuck Trump's "forgotten"

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:22 PM

20. They mean "the forgotten racists" who make up Trump's base.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:52 PM

22. and these people were upset that HRC called them deplorables...

some of these people truly are...period...

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:12 PM

23. that is how EVIL people talk. Racist bigot pigs

shame shame on donald trump

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 11:21 PM

24. No doubt now we have a straight-up racist in the White House

And the American racists are out and proud. While immigrants pick their vegetables, clean their hotel rooms, and buss their tables, these pigs still spit on them.

Wow.

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Response to RussBLib (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 12:15 AM

25. You only now figured that out?

We knew that on the day he announced his candidacy. And the sad thing is he rode his racism right into the White House.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 12:23 AM

26. Uh, no

It's now plain for all to see. No denying it.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 12:34 AM

27. Ok I know from Wisconsin and shitholes.....

Oh I better be quiet, but geez, I grew up in a town that literally smelled like shit depending on which way the wind was blowing. Manure from the east, smegma from the Pulliam plant, moldy crotch like smell from the paper mills.

And yeah the state is chock full of bitter, bitter people sitting at bars.

They know from shitholes

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Response to GusBob (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 03:23 AM

31. Damn me if that doesn't make me think of home.

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:24 AM

39. Yeah puts the sick in homesick

der hey

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 01:41 AM

28. They're not forgotten

We've been intentionally trying to leave them in the past where they belong, but they keep popping up. Burning crosses, nazi flags, racist chants, and radical white nationalists just won't stay in the past where they belong. Forgotten? Racist shitbags have killed people in the USA in the past year!

Forgotten? We only wish.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:00 AM

29. ...



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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 02:05 AM

30. No, that's how the racists POS who voted for Trump talk.

Decent people do NOT talk like he does or how his supporters do. They are trash and the bottom of the American barrel. May they all rot in hell!!!!!

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 06:36 AM

32. Oh, I have sat at a bar with the "forgotten" racists. So what is Watters point?

This was the Oval Office with the Pretender-in-Chief. A whole different thing. The only common connection is that they are all racists.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:11 AM

33. every remark of his peels off one or 2 deplorables who have had too much.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:24 AM

34. Focusing the blame

I continue to be amazed that these "forgotten" cannot learn where to focus the blame. It is always "the other" . . . the brown person, the black person, the poorer person . . . who "took his job." This "forgotten" never asks himself how "the other" TOOK the job. "The other" is as powerless as he is; "the other" can merely take a job if it is offered. The truth is, his job was taken by a boss who found someone even further down the economic ladder whose exploitation put a little bit more money in the pocket of the boss.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:25 AM

35. That is why they are forgatten

dickheads

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:27 AM

36. That's why they've been forgotten

They're pieces of shit, best left in the last century, with no place in this one.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 08:41 AM

37. Many of the white folks who voted for Trump do think and talk that way

And he is right in saying this won't change their opinion of him at all - if anything, it will improve his standing with those folks.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:09 AM

38. The irony is that no one has "forgotten" these men and women

As much as the Republican Party.

They've been duped, propagandized, distracted, deflected and mocked behind closed doors by the very party that purports to support and protect them.

As long as the right wing propaganda machine continues to thrive, they'll never realize that they are the butt of the joke.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:32 AM

40. As in "Oh, yeah, I forgot what an asshole you are!"

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 09:58 AM

42. Faux News and the Rush Limbaughs of this country...

created the "Deplorable Class" and continue to rile them up, so they own them and Trump and the hatred they spew.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:06 AM

43. Shameful. Shameful.

Every day, just when you think they couldn't get more evil, Faux "News" gets even worse.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:31 AM

44. People who talk like that deserve to stay forgotten.

And the racist douchebag they put in the White House needs to be removed from office, just as soon as possible.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:51 AM

45. This is how racists talk when they're not on camera.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:27 AM

46. How The Forgotten People

talk is completely irrelevant. This guy is the President of the United States. He’s supposed to at least be able to pretend in public to be a decent human being with a few social graces.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

47. They must mean ignorant when they say forgotten.

Among other things.

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Response to fountainofyouth (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 11:54 AM

48. Locking....

The opinions of TV talking heads are not important news of national interest. Please post this in the General Discussions Forum.

From the SOP of the LBN Forum (emphasis added)

Post the latest news from reputable mainstream news websites and blogs. Important news of national interest only. No analysis or opinion pieces. No duplicates. News stories must have been published within the last 12 hours. Use the published title of the story as the title of the discussion thread.

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