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Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:57 PM

New Trump administration tax guidelines rely on workers to double-check their paychecks

Source: WAPO

By Damian Paletta January 11 at 2:13 PM

Millions of Americans will need to use a new Internal Revenue Service tool to ensure their new paychecks are accurate, Trump administration officials said Thursday as they issued guidelines for implementing the recently passed tax law.

The guidelines are necessary for businesses to calculate how much to withhold in taxes from employees’ paychecks beginning as soon as next month. The White House said Thursday businesses should make these adjustments by Feb. 15, part of the administration’s push for millions of workers to see bigger paychecks as quickly as possible.

In rushing the process, the Treasury Department is asking companies to rely on outdated forms to help determine how much to withhold.

A senior Internal Revenue Service official said Thursday that Americans with simple tax situations would likely get accurate paychecks next month. But many Americans, including those who tend to itemize their tax returns, would need to use the online tool to ensure they aren’t dramatically overpaying or underpaying their taxes.

If they find their paychecks are inaccurate, it will be incumbent on the employees to tell their employers to make corrections.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/new-tax-guidelines-rely-on-workers-to-double-check-their-paychecks/2018/01/11/234088c4-f700-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_irsguide-240pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.59b042e3387d

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Reply New Trump administration tax guidelines rely on workers to double-check their paychecks (Original post)
Cattledog Jan 2018 OP
onecaliberal Jan 2018 #1
elehhhhna Jan 2018 #6
DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #11
irisblue Jan 2018 #2
elehhhhna Jan 2018 #3
elehhhhna Jan 2018 #5
Igel Jan 2018 #14
elehhhhna Jan 2018 #18
not fooled Jan 2018 #16
procon Jan 2018 #4
sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #7
NCjack Jan 2018 #8
NCjack Jan 2018 #9
UpInArms Jan 2018 #10
DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #12
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2018 #13
Igel Jan 2018 #15
DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #17

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 03:58 PM

1. Double check for what?

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:24 PM

6. How fucked you are of you itemize.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 08:00 PM

11. Right now everyone uses the personal standard deduction amt

to figure withholding. Generally, people claim x number of exemptions to determine how much in federal taxes to withhold from their paychecks. Usually claiming exemptions = the number of people in the household works out pretty well to a neither owe nor refund.

But, if you have a lot of high ongoing medical expenses or big mortage deduction, some people claim a lot of exemptions so they have enough money to cover their expenses because they know they'll get that money back, but need it now. If you have investment income where federal taxes aren't withheld, you need to have more tax taken out so as not to owe too much at the end of the year. Generally, you claim 0 exemptions plus an extra amount relative to your income situation.

This is what the IRS W-4 form did, but since there aren't any personal exemptions anyone, you have to figure out your tax liability some other way.

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:00 PM

2. Ah Geez

That is a genius move.

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:20 PM

3. The shit will fly when itemizers plug into this. It's good news. Spread it liberally.

a link to the tool would be good...

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:22 PM

5. It's tool not working yet surprise

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:40 PM

14. Tool doesn't need to work, to be honest.

"I want to get a 4-week jump on what my employer's going to do."

Seriously, if I checked this by the time I got my first paycheck under the regime nouvelle I'd have forgotten the results. I'm not that OCD.

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Response to Igel (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 10:20 PM

18. Your employer may short your withholding dramatically if you itemize

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 04:21 AM

16. Gotta interject

Remember all the faux outrage from pukes when there were some glitches with the ACA website at its launch?

Whaddya wanna bet there will be crickets from them when chaos ensues with implementation of the GOPee tax scam?

Of course, with the IRS it's not the dump maladmin's doing per se, although no doubt like the rest of the Federal non-war gov't the IRS has suffered funding cuts and insufficient personnel to implement changes such as this.


pukes can't govern. Nor can they run anything except criminal grifting schemes.


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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 04:21 PM

4. When this genius idea blows up, who pays the penalties for all the poor schmucks

who missed the memo or got the wrong taxamount from the untested app the Republicans are touting?

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 06:33 PM

7. Wait. I thought people only had to mail in a post card, not compute their

own withholding? Since personal exemptions are gone, won't everybody need new W2's?

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:11 PM

8. The old joke has come true: If your gross income is under about $60K, send it all to the IRS.

The GOP will determine what it wants you to have, and it will instruct the IRS to return that amount to you.

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:21 PM

9. Trump and the GOP lie about everything. To keep the IRS off my back, I'm sending in double

my 2017 taxes. And, I am advising every DEM I know to do the same. However, I'm telling every GOPer I know to send in 50% of their 2017 taxes -- yeah, that should be just about right to hit the center of their fake tax cut -- NOT. That should give them a good surprise screwing when they calculate their tax bill in early 2019. Of course, the GOP will blame the DEMs for not providing intellectual leadership in crafting the tax act.

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 07:48 PM

10. what could go wrong with this?

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 08:03 PM

12. Regular federal servants like I was are working on this calculator

They're doing their best to make sure it's as accurate as possible. No career civil servant is trying to sc**w the public.

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 09:44 PM

13. So in other words the onus is on you and not your employer

Thanks Dotard

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 11, 2018, 10:45 PM

15. Always has been.

You file your tax return, not you.

This sort of spreads the responsibility out a bit. So you'd have to check in February for 2018 and then again in spring 2018 for real. Mess it up in early 2017, you pay through your teeth in early 2018.

At the same time, the people most likely to itemize in a serious way are those most likely capable of doing precisely this. Many of my peers constantly double-check their employer. It's the people making $28k/year who don't itemize (why bother?) that most often lack the academic chops for doing this kind of thing.

I personally rather like the idea of overpaying and then getting a sizeable tax return. I've often understated deductions just for that. My peers often say, "But the federal government's getting the interest!"

So what? If you support the government morally and conceptually, then it's not a problem. If you believe that you deserve every cent from government that you can get, and want to pay not one extra cent, then it's a problem.

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Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Fri Jan 12, 2018, 07:57 AM

17. There are a lot of businesses who have an outside firm

handle their payroll. These payroll specialist firms having to scramble to figure out the right federal income tax withholding is a big "unintended consequence" of the new tax bill.

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