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Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:01 AM

Thomas S. Monson, president of Mormon church, dies at 90

Source: ABC

For more than 50 years, Thomas S. Monson served in top leadership councils for the Mormon church making him a well-known face and personality to multiple generations of Mormons.

A church bishop at the age of 22, the Salt Lake City native became the youngest church apostle ever in 1963 at the age of 36. He served as a counselor for three church presidents before assuming the role of the top leader of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in February 2008.

Tuesday night, 90-year-old Monson died at his home in Salt Lake City, according to church spokesman Eric Hawkins.

The next president was not immediately named, but the job is expected to go to next longest-tenured member of the church's governing Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, Russell M. Nelson, per church protocol.


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Reply Thomas S. Monson, president of Mormon church, dies at 90 (Original post)
StevieM Jan 3 OP
Aristus Jan 3 #1
niyad Jan 3 #2
Raster Jan 3 #5
dalton99a Jan 3 #3
FreeState Jan 3 #17
Raster Jan 3 #4
niyad Jan 3 #6
aeromanKC Jan 3 #8
SpankMe Jan 3 #13
Raster Jan 3 #15
FreeState Jan 3 #18
AtheistCrusader Jan 3 #21
bucolic_frolic Jan 3 #7
dbackjon Jan 3 #9
bucolic_frolic Jan 3 #11
dbackjon Jan 3 #12
GoneOffShore Jan 3 #14
FreeState Jan 3 #19
dbackjon Jan 3 #10
Hortensis Jan 3 #16
FreeState Jan 3 #20
Hortensis Jan 3 #26
FreeState Jan 3 #29
Hortensis Jan 3 #32
FreeState Jan 3 #34
StevieM Jan 3 #35
FreeState Jan 3 #36
StevieM Jan 3 #37
FreeState Jan 3 #39
AtheistCrusader Jan 3 #30
AtheistCrusader Jan 3 #22
Raster Jan 3 #23
AtheistCrusader Jan 3 #25
Raster Jan 3 #27
Hortensis Jan 3 #28
AtheistCrusader Jan 3 #31
Hortensis Jan 3 #33
demopilot Jan 3 #38
Raster Jan 3 #24

Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:02 AM

1. Off to a planet of his very own...

n/t

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Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:13 AM

2. good riddance

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Response to niyad (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:22 AM

5. Agreed!

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Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:13 AM

3. The next guy is 93 years old

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:06 PM

17. And he is an anti-gay prick n/t

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Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:21 AM

4. Quorum of the Twelve Apostles...

...how fucking presumptuous and ostentatious... No one under the age of 60 and not a woman among them... oh, that's right, the patriarchy is strong in this church.

Disclosure: Born and raised in the church and escaped at 15.

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Response to Raster (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:27 AM

6. so glad you managed to escape!!

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Response to Raster (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:47 AM

8. But what about your Planet!!??

I guess Heaven will just have to do.

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Response to Raster (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:28 PM

13. No non-whites, too, I believe. n/t

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Response to SpankMe (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:51 PM

15. Nope, not a one.

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Response to Raster (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:07 PM

18. There *might* be a few in one of the quorum of 70... might n/t

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Response to Raster (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:11 PM

21. It's only been 39 years since they realized black people are People, and not the cursed descendants

of Cain, and started allowing them into the temples at all.

Attrition levels suggest no people of color have had an opportunity yet. Undoubtedly at some point the church will induct black person or anything other than pasty white European into the council, and it'll be hailed as some massive improvement in inclusion, when in reality it's bouncing along somewhere behind the caboose of the Civil Rights movement because it's just too fucking hard to explain it away anymore.

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Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:43 AM

7. He led an esteemed life but

what does a 22 year old know about life or people that qualifies for assumption of the Bishop office?

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:50 AM

9. If you consider promoting the oppression of fellow Americans esteemed

You are in the wrong place.

Monson led the efforts to pass Prop 8, and anti-marriage efforts in Arizona, basically making in mandatory for Mormons in those states to donate time and money to TERRORIST gay Americans.

Monson was fILTH. A terrorist who is in HELL if it exists.


FUCK HIM and anyone that thinks he did any good in this world.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:55 AM

11. In his faith his record speaks for itself

I am sorry you've included me in your invective

I don't agree with him, I don't follow his principles, I was merely pointing to his life's achievements

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:58 AM

12. Again, what achievements?

Mussolini made the trains run on time.

For evil people like Monson, the evil they did far outweighs any good they might have accidentally done.



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Response to dbackjon (Reply #12)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 12:41 PM

14. I'm with you on this.

'The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.'
In this case there is very little good that will be interred.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:08 PM

19. Mormon Bishop is like a Catholic Priest or a Protestant Minister sans education n/t

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Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 11:51 AM

10. GOOD. Another American Terrorist DEAD

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Response to StevieM (Original post)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:05 PM

16. Did I wander into The Cave or something?

This is not Democratic open mindedness and acceptance of people who are good but different, it's pure trumpianism.

20% of Mormons are Democrats or lean Democrat, and in 2016 25% voted for Clinton. These Mormons are our people.

Also, as very conservative churches go, this one's been relatively socially advanced and responsible. Relatively definitely being the key word here, but gender issues are not the only rights we fight for, and the difference between them and the knuckledraggers at Church of God up my road is far to real to throw them all in the same dumpster.

As for this guy, Mormons ultimately voted for Trump against the teachings of their church under him. I can tell you it's very different among many congregations here in the south, where many leaders set morality aside for political partisanship as surely as they did in any secular groups.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:10 PM

20. I dont see one attacking Mormons here - they are talking about Monson

and the church, not individual Mormons. Most of the LDS Democrats I know would agree with most of this thread by the way, Monson was not loved by all Mormons.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:21 PM

26. None of the ones we know would, whether they admired

him personally or not. We've known a lot of Mormons. They are very attuned to bigotry aimed at them, and no, this one man is not the sole target here.

But if he were, that would not make it all right.

Mormons are not the only DUers who are very good at recognizing bigotry where it pops up. Religious bigotry is every bit as bad as racial, political, and sex-orientation bigotry and comes from the same place -- inside each person.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:29 PM

29. I was raised in the Church

I am the only non-member in a family of 160 (counting first cousins). I am well aware of what bigotry is aimed at the individuals and what is aimed from the church at those they deem less worthy.

Pointing out that their leaders act in unethical or bigoted ways is not bigotry.

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Response to FreeState (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:45 PM

32. Someone cheering the death of "AN American terrorist"

might not have been thinking of Mormons at all, just this one man. I can see it.

One could, though, wonder how this one man became so incredibly well known to so many and so hated and despised. All by himself.

But perhaps you're right -- maybe all this vitriol has nothing to do with the religion he was temporary head of, really, at all.

Btw, did you hear the one about the Hispanic 26-year-old who's running for Maxine Waters' seat with the support of Joe Arpaio? Punch line: Bigotry plays no role, only principled disapproval of specific people. (They both don't like her.)

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:49 PM

34. Um okay.

You obviously don't know what it is like growing up gay and Mormon or how the church leaders bigotry gets inserted into doctrine. Or how that Churches doctrines, which can only be changed by the Prophet, take precedence over families. I do, as do many on this thread.



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Response to FreeState (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:05 PM

35. Seriously? 160 people? That's incredible.

How many brothers and sisters do you have? How many brothers and sisters do your parents have? Have many children did your aunt and uncles have? How many children do you, your siblings and cousins all have?

Sorry for all the questions. I am just amazed.

I had a mother, father, brother, sister, 4 grandparents, 3 aunts, 2 uncles by marriage, 5 cousins, 4 nephews&nieces, and 7 cousins-once-removed. I also have a brother-in-law, an ex-sister-in-law, 3 cousin-in-laws and an ex-cousin-in-law. Even if we count the exes that ads up to 36 people, including me. And my cousins have cousins on their father's side of the family who I know fairly well and have shared family holidays with.

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Response to StevieM (Reply #35)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:17 PM

36. Haha! It's a large family on both sides

I dont want to dox myself, but basically my Grandma on one side had 12 kids and on the other 11. (Members all the way back to the very beginning on one side and about 1840 on the other).

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Response to FreeState (Reply #36)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 02:34 PM

37. Did I just dox myself? Do you think I need to edit my post?

It never occurred to me that it could be risky, or identifying, to write the stuff I wrote.

Are you saying that you had ancestors who were in Kirtland and Nauvoo with Joseph Smith?

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Response to StevieM (Reply #37)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 07:07 PM

39. I think your fine

I don't generally give out specifics in order to maintain relationships with my family. It sucks, but even making one negative comment equates apostate on occasion...

I had ancestors before Kirtland and the other side joined during Kirtland and immigrated to the US then.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:31 PM

30. Bullshit. My opposition to religions comes from their political positions and activities.

Otherwise, I wouldn't even notice them. Not my circus. Not my monkey. They MAKE it an issue, and then 'oh we HAVE to take these positions because <dogma>'. Ok, fine then. Now we make the veracity and origins of your religion an issue.

That's not 'from inside me'. It's self-defense.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:14 PM

22. As an organization, the LDS Church is politically active.

It brought us (along with the Catholics) Prop-8 in California.

As an organization it's not 'our people'. Yes there are some members that are Democrats/Progressives. An outnumbered minority in a church that gives not a whit for the members that have differing political opinions.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:16 PM

23. The Mormon Church FINANCED Prop-Hate in California....

...and then tried to lie about it.

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Response to Raster (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:20 PM

25. Yep. And got caught. The Catholic Church largely got away with it though.

Their donations were a little bit less, and therefore didn't hit the radar. It was a difference of like 10% of the funding.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:24 PM

27. The Mormons also PREACHED about Prop-Hate from the lecturns in their churches...

...all across the United States and solicited funds for Prop-Hate in their churches... and then, of course, lied about.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:27 PM

28. Stomp 'em ALL? What other group could you insert

there, blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, LGBT, that would somehow make that rejection of all in a group, no matter what kind of people they are, sound respectable?

What we're talking about here is the very definition of bigotry. It's also the very enactment of stupidity. We would like to win in 2018 and 2020, you know. Convincing people to vote Democratic is going to be a big part of that, and if we don't it'll be because those looking at us failed to understand there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans.

One that's invisible on this thread.

Just wished none looking for answers wandered in here, but of course many do. Every day.



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Response to Hortensis (Reply #28)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:37 PM

31. Do any of those groups actively shit on the civil rights of others?

If so, then I'd oppose them. But they don't so, um... your point isn't clear.

Also, all of those things you listed are what people ARE, not what they choose to endorse. You aren't born any particular religion. No one is. We adopt a religion, or we are inculcated into one by our parents or society. They are malleable and mutable. Race, gender, sexuality, these things are not mutable. Not something we can just snap our fingers and change on a whim.

So, while religions have official dogma and doctrines that are actively hostile to civil rights, they will be targets of criticism for it.

You don't see me in here complaining about Pagans, or Unitarian Universalists, or Buddhists, etc. Religion(TM) isn't the problem, and I am not 'bigoted' toward it. I simply have a comprehensive list of reasons to criticize certain religions AS ENTITIES, not individuals, who may or may not adhere to their claimed religion's official dogma/doctrine/precepts, etc.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:49 PM

33. You bet. All of them wherever bigots among them get power.

It's a human condition. No group is immune. Certainly not this one, but we can fight it in ourselves.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #33)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 03:34 PM

38. Theism was born when

 

the first scammer bumped into the first gullible dope.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 3, 2018, 01:20 PM

24. Are you Gay? I am.

If so, you'd be very hard pressed to see the "relatively socially advanced and responsible."

DISCLOSURE: From an Old-line Arizona Mormon family, ancestors crossed the plains with Brigham Young, etc, etc, etc.

Born and raised in the church.

Lecture someone else.

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