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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 05:51 PM Dec 2017

Racial dispute at beloved bakery roils liberal college town

Source: Associated Press


Dake Kang, Associated Press
 Updated 2:29 pm, Sunday, December 10, 2017

OBERLIN, Ohio (AP) — Students at Oberlin College have long enjoyed pastries, bagels and chocolates from Gibson's Bakery, a century-old, family-owned business near campus. That sweet relationship has turned bitter amid hotly disputed accusations of racism, roiling a school and town long known for their liberal politics.

The dispute, which began in November 2016 with the arrest of three black Oberlin students who tried stealing wine from Gibson's, is now a lawsuit in which the exasperated bakery owners accuse the college and a top dean of slandering Gibson's as a "racist establishment" and taking steps to destroy the family's livelihood.
 
Caught in the middle are longtime residents of this town of 8,300 people, many of whom identify themselves as liberals but who have patronized Gibson's for decades. Many believe the timing was right for the conflict to boil over; the arrests came the day after Donald Trump won the presidential election, electrifying students who had long heard suspicions of racial profiling at Gibson's.
 
"I can understand why people were looking for some outlet for their frustration, but it's just counterproductive to bend that anger towards a small family business that to my knowledge is not guilty of the sort of racial profiling that people accuse it of," said retired Oberlin professor Roger Copeland.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Racial-dispute-at-beloved-bakery-roils-liberal-12419618.php

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Racial dispute at beloved bakery roils liberal college town (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2017 OP
Certainly a sign........ MyOwnPeace Dec 2017 #1
they pled guilty alp227 Dec 2017 #2
How is this racist? left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #3
Apparently, Gibson's Bakery is supposed to call the college Dean on shoplifters instead of police... EL34x4 Dec 2017 #5
Well that's bullshit TexasBushwhacker Dec 2017 #6
That's for the first time 'caught' left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #7
But you only get a freebie for shoplifting if you're attending a $69K a year college. pnwmom Dec 2017 #26
Walmart prosecutes every shoplifter left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #29
Not only that. Walmart sends a demand letter for civil damages -- 3 times stolen amount or... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #30
I don't see any racism in the facts stated in that article. Any business has a right Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #15
2015 decrying school dining hall's sushi and Vietnamese banh mi sandwiches as cultural appropriation DRoseDARs Dec 2017 #4
"burger with fries" left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #8
And that's really my point, the whole notion is galling and absurd. DRoseDARs Dec 2017 #9
Such bullshit. More ammo for the RW. "cultural appropriation". What a joke. 7962 Dec 2017 #12
"cultural appropriation" - Saw that term used against Liz Warren for RW Pocahontas derision. keithbvadu2 Dec 2017 #16
Geeze jamzrockz Dec 2017 #10
Agreed!!!! 7962 Dec 2017 #13
We sometimes make it too easy for the right GulfCoast66 Dec 2017 #11
Former Oberlin student here oberliner Dec 2017 #14
What kind of "issues" .... jb5150 Dec 2017 #17
An African-American student accused the owner of being racist oberliner Dec 2017 #20
Surely you jest? That's pretty much standard policy for ANY kind of business. Not remotely racist. DRoseDARs Dec 2017 #22
Oberlin students are big on protesting things oberliner Dec 2017 #23
Well, congratulations on surviving. Sounds like a minefield of eggshell egos there. nt DRoseDARs Dec 2017 #24
You don't say! OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #19
See my description above oberliner Dec 2017 #21
Golly. Way back then, huh? OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #25
Yep oberliner Dec 2017 #27
Palates? OilemFirchen Dec 2017 #28
Thieves need to be dealt with. alphafemale Dec 2017 #18

MyOwnPeace

(16,925 posts)
1. Certainly a sign........
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:01 PM
Dec 2017

of the times that we live in with IQ45 and his followers leading the way.

I'm sure there's more to this story - but conditions are such that it may be difficult to ever hear all of it...............

alp227

(32,015 posts)
2. they pled guilty
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:12 PM
Dec 2017
From a local news source:

The incident became racially charged because Allyn Gibson is white while the student and two others also charged in the incident are black. All three students pleaded guilty in August to misdemeanor charges and read statements into the record acknowledging that Allyn Gibson was within his right to detain the shoplifter and that his actions were not racially motivated.


Aligning with these kinds of causes just gives the right more ammunition, cancelling out the defenses of scum like child predator Roy Moore and genital grabber Donald Trump.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
3. How is this racist?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:23 PM
Dec 2017

"... police figures in the past five years that show only six out of 40 adults
arrested for shoplifting at the bakery were black"

"The three students arrested at Gibson's pleaded guilty in August to attempted theft and aggravated trespassing
and said in statements required by a plea agreement that their actions were wrong and that the store wasn't racist."

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
5. Apparently, Gibson's Bakery is supposed to call the college Dean on shoplifters instead of police...
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:35 PM
Dec 2017

...as if they were 12-year olds stealing gum from the supermarket checkout line and not grown adults.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
29. Walmart prosecutes every shoplifter
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 11:44 AM
Dec 2017

I was there one day when cops handcuffed a teen girl for stealing a $10 lipstick,
and put her in a squad car.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,320 posts)
30. Not only that. Walmart sends a demand letter for civil damages -- 3 times stolen amount or...
Mon Dec 11, 2017, 12:03 PM
Dec 2017

... $200 dollars minimum. Pay or get sued for that plus attorney and court costs which could be thousands.

My little shit nephew (God kid. Honor roll and scholarship) got busted with his dumbfuck friends stealing $8 dollar pocket knives. My brother got the demand letter months later. We thought it was a scam until we researched it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. I don't see any racism in the facts stated in that article. Any business has a right
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:09 PM
Dec 2017

to protect against theft. Duh. The guys did in fact commit a crime once, trying to buy booze with a fake id. Then later tried to steal it. I don't see racism in that. They could have been black, blue, red, yellow, or white.

Sounds more like a vendetta, payback, for having the guys arrested.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
4. 2015 decrying school dining hall's sushi and Vietnamese banh mi sandwiches as cultural appropriation
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 06:53 PM
Dec 2017

Lost me there. Not interested in anything further these students have to say about anything ever. Offering foods other than "burger with fries" or pizza (*cough* Italian cuisine *cough* cultural appropriation *cough*) is not cultural appropriation. It's expanding your palate you uncultured swine. Hell, the Japanese themselves are fine with their culture being spread, it's a compliment. Decrying foods beyond standard American slop being offered (many if not most are actually derived, "culturally appropriated" if you will, from other cultures) is simply you showing your white privilege in how you believe other cultures are not capable of defending themselves (from what, I've not seen convincingly explained) and only lily-white you can protect them.

Oh, and that quinoa you're eating with a spoon as you rage against the machine? South American and Neolithic, respectively. You're appropriating other, more ancient cultures. Oh, and your pants too. Paleolithic. Cultural appropriation!



Of course it follows they'd see racism where there was none. I read the article. Good god is this college and its students on the wrong side of the facts. Mob mentality. Their hearts are in the right place, but their heads are so far up their own asses it may as well be a dental school.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
8. "burger with fries"
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 07:42 PM
Dec 2017

Might the 'hamburger' be appropriation from Hamburg, Germany?
And, let's not mention 'French' fries.

'Shirley', I'm joking.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
9. And that's really my point, the whole notion is galling and absurd.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:06 PM
Dec 2017

Look at any food or clothing or word or dance or song, go far enough afield or far enough back in time and you'll find it was "culturally appropriated" from some other culture. The people who use the term "cultural appropriation" as a cudgel (word culturally appropriated from Middle English, which culturally appropriated from Old English, which culturally appropriated from Proto-Germanic, which culturally appropriated from Proto-Indo-European, which culturally appropriated from...) aren't as enlightened and worldly as they think they are.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. Such bullshit. More ammo for the RW. "cultural appropriation". What a joke.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:42 PM
Dec 2017

It USED to be "expanding your horizons" not too many years ago.
Now its just another made-up thing to be offended about.
My .02 and worth about that!

keithbvadu2

(36,731 posts)
16. "cultural appropriation" - Saw that term used against Liz Warren for RW Pocahontas derision.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:35 PM
Dec 2017

"cultural appropriation" - Saw that term used against Liz Warren for RW Pocahontas derision.

Funny that they did not mention that the Trump family called their heritage Swedish rather than German at one time.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
10. Geeze
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:15 PM
Dec 2017

There is nothing I hate more than people making a racial issue in a place where it doesn't exist. Take a chill pill people.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
11. We sometimes make it too easy for the right
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 08:41 PM
Dec 2017

This is the kind of thing that will blow up on right wing news site highlighting the idiocy and lack of real world understanding of the left.

And they will be correct.

But they just stole wine. Kids.

I bet when the are 32 they will not be molesting 14 year olds.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. An African-American student accused the owner of being racist
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:44 PM
Dec 2017

From what I remember, there was an African-American student who was told by Mr. Gibson that he couldn't sit at the outside table because he had not bought anything inside and that student then tried to organize a protest or a boycott of Gibson's and accused the owner of being racist.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
22. Surely you jest? That's pretty much standard policy for ANY kind of business. Not remotely racist.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:58 PM
Dec 2017

Buy something or leave. Restrooms are for paying customers. Tables are for eating patrons.

Unless the owners/staff were actively shooing away just the non-white visitors and lobbing racial epitaphs at them, there is no racism here. Christ O'Maley...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. Oberlin students are big on protesting things
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:03 PM
Dec 2017

And also playing jazz piano and singing in a capella groups.

It was quite an experience attending school there in the 90s.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
25. Golly. Way back then, huh?
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 10:39 PM
Dec 2017

Back in the 70s, my friends at Oberlin didn't seem to have such tsouris. Of course, Oberlin didn't have a problem with anti-Semitism then either.

I wonder what changed?

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
18. Thieves need to be dealt with.
Sun Dec 10, 2017, 09:39 PM
Dec 2017

How is this racist in any way?

Coddling people that commit crimes like this makes us a damn joke.

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