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Tue Dec 5, 2017, 10:38 PM

House will vote on concealed carry reciprocity bill

Source: CNN

By Sophie Tatum, CNN
Updated 9:36 PM ET, Tue December 5, 2017

Washington (CNN) -- The House will vote Wednesday on a bill that would let gun owners with permits to carry concealed weapons travel to other states with their concealed firearms.

The bill is a top priority of the National Rifle Association, and since leaving committee it has been combined with an additional measure that is designed to update the federal background check system after holes were exposed by November's mass shooting at a church in Texas.

The move to merge the two pieces of legislation makes it a difficult vote for Democrats.

Second Amendment advocates maintain that gun owners should not lose their right to bear arms as they travel across state lines, and current laws that vary in different states could mean that licensed owners might unintentionally violate the law. Under the proposed law, gun owners would be required to abide by the local and state regulations in place for concealed weapons.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politics/house-vote-concealed-carry-reciprocity-bill/index.html

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Reply House will vote on concealed carry reciprocity bill (Original post)
sl8 Dec 5 OP
TomSlick Dec 5 #1
melm00se Dec 6 #8
Marengo Dec 6 #10
Baconator Dec 6 #2
chelsea0011 Dec 6 #3
Egnever Dec 6 #4
J_William_Ryan Dec 6 #5
Lurks Often Dec 6 #7
HAB911 Dec 6 #6
MosheFeingold Dec 6 #9

Response to sl8 (Original post)

Tue Dec 5, 2017, 11:33 PM

1. Good luck guys.

In Arkansas, a concealed weapons permit is easier to get than a driver's license. Bubba Joe is coming your way packing heat and there won't be a damned thing you can do about it.

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:34 AM

8. Arkansas CCL requires

https://static.ark.org/eeuploads/asp/CHCL_statutes_effective_11042013.pdf

Drivers license requirements

https://www.dmv.org/ar-arkansas/apply-license.php#AR-Drivers-License-Eligibility-Requirements

I'll let you review these and draw your own conclusions as to which one has more requirements

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Response to TomSlick (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 12:58 PM

10. Someone applying for a drivers license in Arkansas is required to submit fingerprints and...

Undergo a background check?

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Response to sl8 (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 01:32 AM

2. At least one good thing could come of this...

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Response to sl8 (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:43 AM

3. So, the NRA is pissed that states have different laws for guns?

And they want a uniform federal law? What happened to the idea of states rights? I thought this was a rock solid foundation for them. You know. Keep your concealed weapon at home when traveling. OK?

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Response to sl8 (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 05:55 AM

4. Hmm did they make a mistake?

Under the proposed law, gun owners would be required to abide by the local and state regulations in place for concealed weapons.

Wouldn't that mean each states law would prevail?

Bad editing by CNN?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 06:37 AM

5. It means if one becomes

a resident of a new state he would be required to obtain a new concealed weapon license pursuant to his new state’s law, surrendering his license from his previous state of residence.

Licenses from others states would be valid only while traveling through a non-resident state(s), or during a short visit or vacation to a non-resident state.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 08:05 AM

7. Not exactly

A resident of New Hampshire who has a valid CCW would be allowed to carry in (for purposes of discussion) California, However the NH resident would be required to abide by a CA restriction on the number of rounds in the magazine.

In other words a NH resident who could carry a Glock that held 17 rounds in the magazine in NH, but would only be allowed to carry 10 rounds in the magazine in CA.

Using the inevitable car analogy, while each state may have different criteria for getting a drivers license, all 50 states recognize a drivers license issued by the other states, however a driver is still required to obey the traffic laws of the state they are driving in, even if the traffic laws of the state they live are different.

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Response to sl8 (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 07:29 AM

6. Concealed-carry reciprocity would be bad for Florida

The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 is moving through Congress on a path to threaten public safety, damage responsible gun ownership and undermine law enforcement.

The legislation proposes that any person who has a permit to carry a concealed firearm in his home state can unconditionally carry that same hidden, loaded gun in Florida and everywhere else in America. While requiring unregulated reciprocity across the country, the bill lacks any national standards regarding criminal background checks, gun safety training, live-fire training or a violent offender’s ability to carry a concealed weapon.

Each state legislature currently establishes the steps its citizens must take to carry a concealed gun. In Florida, these requirements include but are not limited to being 21 years or older, demonstrating competency with a firearm, not having a conviction for domestic violence, not being under arrest for a violent crime and the desire to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense.

Florida has taken steps to encourage responsible gun ownership. Not all states have. This legislation would subjugate Florida law to the least restrictive laws in our country and effectively remove all sensible, statewide gun safety regulations. Simply put, if this bill becomes law, a domestic abuser permitted to carry a loaded, hidden weapon in another state could come to Florida and jeopardize public safety. Depending on his state of residence, a permit holder with a criminal background could bring a concealed, loaded gun with a high-capacity magazine into a Hillsborough County public playground.

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/Column-Concealed-carry-reciprocity-would-be-bad-for-Florida_163306216

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Response to sl8 (Original post)

Wed Dec 6, 2017, 11:49 AM

9. I'm just getting used to New Mexico

People walk around with pistols on their hips in WalMart.

Mind you, there are legit bears, cougars (not the bleach blond kind, sadly), wolves, coyotes, and Mexican Cartel smugglers (people and drugs) in this rural area, so there are logical reason.

But it's still a bit of a surprise.

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