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Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:42 PM

 

Bad news: Global emissions are on the rise again

Source: Salon

11.14.2017•8:00 AM

A multi-year period of global economic growth and stable carbon emissions, heralded as a potential peak of humanity’s contribution to climate change, is over. Emissions are up again this year by an estimated 1 to 3 percent, now at the highest point in history, according to a new report:

This is not what needs to happen, obviously. Every year we delay peaking emissions means we’ll have to reduce future emissions that much faster. Already, climate models are building in truly huge levels of untested CO2 removal technologies later this century to maintain an outside chance of keeping warming to relatively safe levels.

There’s a simple fact hiding here: Day in and day out, we are making this problem harder for ourselves the longer we wait.

Read more: https://www.salon.com/2017/11/14/bad-news-global-emissions-are-on-the-rise-again_partner/



Yes, this is the second climate change story I've posted in the past hour or too, but not burning to death IS kind of important.

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:45 PM

1. Too many enchiladas?

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 06:56 PM

2. The problem is not the cars, factories or other industries the real

problem is the size of our population worldwide.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 07:05 PM

3. It's both.

The U.S., for example, has as many people as Indonesia and Thailand put together - but almost 7 times more emissions.

If only we could transition away from internal combustion engines (and we could have already, but for Big Awl).

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Response to sandensea (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:37 PM

6. Nope its the population. If our population growth was curtailed enough to reduce the total

to say 200 million over say the next 100 years things might get better unfortunately our species does not have the willpower to take the steps needed to achieve that or atleast not voluntarily.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:53 PM

8. Not entirely, no. There are many examples of countries w/ similar populations,

yet vastly differing emissions levels.

India has 1.3 billion people and emits 2.9 billion tons of greenhouse gases (must be all that curry - just kidding); whereas 1.4 billion Chinese emit 11.7 billion tons. The difference is the rate of per capita emissions: 2.2 tons per person in India; 8.3 tons in China (it's nearly 20 tons in the U.S.).

China, as you know, managed to reduce its population by some 500 million compared to c. 1970 projections - but their massive industrial growth since then has boosted emissions by something like 20-fold.

So you see, population growth had nothing to do with emissions increase since then in their case - it was economic growth. There are many examples just like those.

Of course, we can have our cake (modern transportation, etc.) and eat it too - if we could just transition away from fossil fuels.

But Big Awl will never allow it.

Beijing, c. 1980:



And recently:

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 07:13 PM

12. For all to have a European standard of living...

the world population needs to be reduced to around 2 billion.

Leave Dump in office and we may just get that reduction and more.

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 07:20 PM

4. No suprise

Trump unilaterally takes US out of the Paris Accords and emissions rise. If for no other reason tRump must be removed from office, he is single handily causing more harm to the environment than any of their human on the planet.

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Response to Abouttime (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 08:24 PM

5. We're not the world.

Some of the largest increases last year were in India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Malaysia, Turkey, and Ukraine.

Haven't seen estimates for this year. But the sharp decline in some countries and overall levelling off for a number of years had three causes, depending where you lived--increased natural gas production, economic downturn, increased renewables.

The downturn ended, and not all countries have a lot of natural gas hitting the market to drive older thermopower plants out of use nor funding for renewables.

As for the US, I find it hard to believe that most of the market-driven changes (which is what most of the reduction in carbon were) were quickly reversed for rhetorical reasons.



Yeah, the data are a couple of years old in that plot, but it's hard to come by better data. Even the source cited in the OP puts the overall estimated increase from 0.8 to 3%, and that's a wide spread. Ultimately expect the estimates to be based on a set of assumptions as well as growth figures.

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Tue Nov 14, 2017, 09:24 PM

7. The global population of flying insects is crashing dangerously fast

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-11-14/global-population-flying-insects-crashing-dangerously-fast

The global population of flying insects is crashing dangerously fast

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141914128

Obviously not related in any way?????

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 02:37 PM

10. One would expect widespread concern that a major

part of the food web is collapsing. Crickets, except there are no more crickets.

I am not surprised - we live near a large park and in the the last 20 years the decline in insects is blatantly obvious. I am still surprised by humanity’s collective shrug.

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Response to p-adic person (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 05:56 AM

13. There is widespread concern here on DU, there have been several articles posted on it recently

But unfortunately the unprecedented chaos in Washington has taken over ever minute of the national news.

The global population of flying insects is crashing dangerously fast
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141914128

Welcome to DU, p-adic person! We're glad to have you with us!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 08:58 AM

14. Yes. Hundreds of millions are facing ruin, other millions already ruined

or dead. Many are terrified, billions are worried or just recently become concerned. 195 nations signed the Paris agreement. Many, most sheltered in advanced nations, are still oblivious.

I'm inclined to blame heating and air conditioning, homes and cars, even more than malignant greed and the partisan insanity it's bought, for that last. How ironic is it that marketers refer to that as "climate control?"

Me, it's been a constant little sick worry that never really leaves for a long time now.

Welcome, to DU, p-adic.



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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 02:04 PM

9. The problem is twofold. Population and percapita emissions.

I am not sure why every progressive discussion about CO2 emissions must have the population vs per-capita-emissions discussion, when we need to control both. It reminds me of the nature vs nuture discussions. Clearly both nature and nuture play a role in each human life.

That leaves the question of what to do. I am afraid that at this late date in the battle against global warming, much of our efforts must be directed at education and adaptation. We can’t possibly do the right things without the facts. Even stopping all emissions today would require adaptations to the warming already locked in. Sadly, we are going to continue to emit for a very long time. Thus, we must adapt or perish.

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Wed Nov 15, 2017, 06:09 PM

11. It will get worst because of Trumpf

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 09:21 AM

15. I don't see the problem.

75% of the insects that pollinate 80% of the fruits and vegetables are dead. Soon only the 1% will have nutritional food. There is not enough meat animals, excluding humans, to feed the rest. Once about 75% of the humans are gone, earth will start healing itself.

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Response to unhip white guy (Original post)

Thu Nov 16, 2017, 10:21 AM

16. Now France just said, they will pay the USAs Paris climate meeting costs. I guess? because USA..

doesn't pay other 'first world countries' what they agree to pay?

Republicans ruin Americas 'reputation' & 'credibility' globally, by backing their sick president.

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