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Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:02 PM

Army lifts ban on recruits with mental health history

Source: USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — People with a history of “self-mutilation,” bipolar disorder, depression and drug and alcohol abuse can now seek waivers to join the Army under an unannounced policy enacted in August, according to documents obtained by USA TODAY.

The decision to open Army recruiting to those with mental health conditions comes as the service faces the challenging goal of recruiting 80,000 new soldiers through September 2018. To meet last year's goal of 69,000, the Army accepted more recruits who fared poorly on aptitude tests, increased the number of waivers granted for marijuana use and offered hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses.

Expanding the waivers for mental health is possible in part because the Army now has access to more medical information about each potential recruit, Lt. Col. Randy Taylor, an Army spokesman, said in a statement. The Army issued the ban on waivers in 2009 amid an epidemic of suicides among troops. 

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/army-lifts-ban-on-recruits-with-mental-health-history/ar-BBESFZU?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp



Well, THAT'S encouraging.
Just imagine being on patrol in some middle eastern desert and wondering if the new guy who just transferred in is one of the 'mentals'?

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Reply Army lifts ban on recruits with mental health history (Original post)
trof Sunday OP
BumRushDaShow Sunday #1
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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:04 PM

1. The 2016 election has literally brought hell on earth.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:08 PM

2. and yet the administration doesn't want trans folks?

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:11 PM

3. Overweight and undereducated Americans have caused this 'necessity.'

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Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:21 PM

6. Or!

Maybe Americans don't want to enlist for back to back deployments to strange and exotic places, where they are nothing more then moving targets!

Maybe Americans aren't enlisting because they've seen how veterans are constantly used as pawns and not provided for!


Maybe the army is in the process of recruiting cannon fodder...so Bone Spur Donnie can have his glorious war with North Korea!


These are other reasons that may be the cause of this necessity, not just being overweight and undereducated!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:40 PM

28. Bingo.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:45 PM

33. +1000

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Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:33 PM

25. We could reduce the "necessity" by not getting into EVERY CONCEIVABLE WAR.

The world doesn't need or WANT us to be the police anymore.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #25)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:09 AM

48. Amen to that!!

Since we have a mentally deficient "leader" in the WH, why not??

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:15 PM

4. Speaking as someone who suffers from anxiety and bipolar,

stress and lack of sleep are tremendous triggers for me. I can't think the military is the kind of calm, gentle, supportive environment where I best thrive.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:24 PM

8. Bless your heart.

You're very brave to share that. All the Best always!

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:24 PM

9. stress and lack of sleep are also triggers for sub. abuse relapse.

I hear you clearly.

the army must be terribly desperate if it now wants to lift the last ban:
"The Army issued the ban on waivers in 2009 amid an epidemic of suicides among troops."

so..again...no learning curve.

I can see their problem, tho, because the military essentially has happily chewed up the very large pool of baby boomers.
( including my family members)
Boomers who did not produce as many kids as their parents did, partly due to Birth control being available.

and, for same reason, Bush had to force National guard into battle.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:25 PM

10. Depends on the job I suppose....

If they dumped everyone who had some sort of mental issue, there wouldn't be anyone left.

Certainly no one worth a shit...

I've known a few guys who were straight nuts on a day to day basis but when it came to a firefight they were just glorious.

“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

Every "one" I've ever known was crazy on some level.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:19 PM

5. I think those who are twitler supporters should be the first send to war zones.

To me I think all of his supporters have some degree of mental illness for falling for his bull$hit. Why not send them to fight those wars twitler is going to start.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:40 PM

29. Actually, "Little Donnie", Eric Jr, and Jared should be sent directly to the front lines.

Or immediately put on duty at the Parallel.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:22 PM

7. Full Metal Jacket as policy

What could go wrong!

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:52 PM

12. My friend

who had been a helicopter pilot in the Vietnam war, said once that combat was the worst experience a human being could have. It explains a lot. Both in terms of people's deaths during, but also in terms of people's lives afterwards.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:53 PM

13. I think the military needs a moral audit.

We give more leeway to soldiers in civilian situations, that I don't see how this is going to end well.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:53 PM

14. I was treated for depression about a year before I enlisted in the Army.

My parents had divorced the year before, and I was acting out in outbursts of anger. (I wonder why?)

I was required to undergo an independent mental health evaluation by a psychiatrist of the Army's choosing.

He okayed me, and I signed up.

A mental health condition doesn't automatically mean one is going to become a Federal building bomber...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:20 PM

23. Exactly, thank you

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 06:55 PM

15. Send the kids of the rich and famous

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:13 PM

16. ............

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:24 PM

17. Bigly mistake

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:25 PM

18. More Soldiers

I have a bipolar diagnosis. I come from a Military family on my Father's side, and would have gone Army Airborne/AROTC in College but for the diagnosis.

I do not appreciate mad people being called "one of the mentals". Would you say that a Person of Color is "one of the blacks", or an LGBT person is "one of the gays"?

Anyway, that said, I once had a hospitalization early during the start of the Iraq War, and I met a kid who was in the hospital for depression. Turns out he was in Special Forces, could take apart a rifle blindfolded and reassemble it. His Recruiting Officer showed up in the Hospital to help get him out and back in service.

So, as society gets to understand mental health better, do not be surprised if the Army starts recruiting more and offering waivers to some who have had psychological issues. The Army definitely wanted the Special Forces guy back despite his bout with depression. People who have experienced mental health challenges are human too, and if they want to serve, and are able, then they should have the opportunity. I am in favor of a waiver program.

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Response to Progressive2020 (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:20 PM

21. Exactly, thank you

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 07:59 PM

19. The army already did this when they got desperate for recruits in 2006 or so

That's why the suicide rate went up for soldiers who signed on after 2006. I have knowledge--first hand knowledge-- of several soldiers who had bbeen for mental health and substance inpatient treatment before enlisting.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:19 PM

20. Being one of those " mentals", shame on you. Please stop the nasty stigmatization.

Yes, there are Steven Greens who got a waiver but should've never been let it, but WTF is this "mentals" shit?

Screen everyone better, let them in with waivers like they used to. This is not a new thing, but restarting the program with better information overall. To deny because of a childhood cutting incident, or treated alcoholism, or prior depression is wrong. Look at the past, reasons for the history, how they've been treated, who they are now.

But please stop the "mentals" crap. It is seriously offensive to a lot of people.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:25 PM

24. Right On

Solidarity on this. People need to learn more about Civil Rights for Mad Folks. A long hidden minority, we are your Family, your Friends, your Co-workers. We are Human Beings like anyone else.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:34 PM

26. Thank you. This OP is gross.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:20 PM

22. what could go wrong?

as i recall in Vietnam soldiers had one deployment, or possibly 2. now they send them 10, 12 times. they ruin them, then they spit them out. now they must be running out of recruits and will take already fragile humans and destroy them, probably even faster. and there will be victims beyond the soldiers themselves, without a doubt.

our country is not sane. it's sick. our society is sick.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:59 PM

37. I am not fragile. Most of us "mentals", to quote that nasty bit in OP, are not fragile

30 yrs ago a parent died while I was going through a nasty divorce and I took SSRI for depression. I am not "fragile". Neither are people I know who've gone successfully through rehab. Or cut themselves as teenagers.

To write us all off as "mentals" is insulting, "fragile" is patronizing.

Yes, there are some who should never be in the military, but beware of broadbrushing the many who have had a mental health issue ever.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 11:35 PM

39. i didn't mean to offend anyone.

(hadn't noticed that word in the OP, bad on me). I do not mean anyone with an episode of depression or what have you. My thoughts have to do with people dealing with serious or severe mental illness every day, and most particularly untreated illness.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 11:58 PM

41. Thank you.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:39 PM

27. They started handing out 'waivers' like candy under W to feed his still-running war machine.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:45 PM

30. It wouldn't be as bad if they'd left it at letting people with depression join.

Depression is a manageable condition and they've probably got tends and thousands of hidden depressives in the ranks as it is.

The OTHER condition, especially cutting and bipolar disorder, are a lot MORE problematic.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #30)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:59 PM

38. Why is having a history of cutting more problematic?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 11:52 PM

40. I was assuming that it might mean a person might have less concern about not being injured or killed

and it struck me that there was an issue with the fact that a soldier is generally issued some sort of knife as part of her, their, or his gear.

But this may simply mean I need to be educated...are you saying that a propensity for self-mutilation should not be a concern?


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:02 AM

42. The people I knew who cut were on so much pain, they shut out their pain and all emotions

Cutting was a way to not be numb but to feel again. Now all of the 3 I know of for sure are in healthcare.

None went on to suicide attempts or harming others in any way.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:41 AM

44. OK.. I appreciate the education.

n/t.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:55 AM

45. I have to admit that it freaked and creeped me unit at first.

It took hard listening to them to understand.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 08:45 PM

31. Yeah. This will end well.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 09:24 PM

32. I'm in favor of that. Training, decent medical, education opportunity & career paths.

If you're not into technical stuff, I suggest ask to start in the medical field.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:28 PM

34. Try recruiting Young College Republicans - plenty of patriots there.

Try recruiting Young College Republicans - plenty of patriots there.
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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:35 PM

35. What could possibly go wrong?

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Response to trof (Original post)

Sun Nov 12, 2017, 10:38 PM

36. Soon, Trump lets Texas church killer reenlist.

Soon, Trump lets Texas church killer reenlist.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:12 AM

43. Wait....the guy that just killed 23 people had mental health issues & he was discharged

for assaults his wife and child severely.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 12:58 AM

46. Not to worry: They still won't take anyone with bone spurs...

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Response to trof (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 01:11 AM

47. This is Not a Good Idea

 

And I say this as a sufferer of OCD.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:24 AM

49. I am 100% service-connected disabled for anxiety

I am also bipolar. If they had let me stay in the army, it would not have been good.

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Response to trof (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 09:39 AM

50. And to think Arlo Guthrie was rejected because he littered. n/t

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