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riversedge

(70,197 posts)
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:08 AM Nov 2017

Trump: Texas mass shooting is about mental health, not guns

Source: AP





JILL COLVIN Associated Press Nov 6, 2017 Updated 32 min ago

TOKYO (AP) — President Donald Trump says the mass shooting at a Texas church "isn't a guns situation," but is a "mental health problem at the highest level."

Devin Kelley, the man authorities have identified as the gunman, was discharged from the Air Force several years ago for allegedly assaulting his spouse and a child, according to an Air Force spokeswoman.

While no officials have publicly questioned Kelley's mental health, Trump said that "is your problem here." He offered no details.

"This was a very, based on preliminary reports, a very deranged individual. A lot of problems over a long period of time," Trump said when asked about the shooting as he and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe held a joint news conference in Tokyo during Trump's first official visit to Asia.

"We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn't a guns situation," the president said..........
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Trump: Texas mass shooting is about mental health, not guns (Original Post) riversedge Nov 2017 OP
trump finally admits "mental health problem at the highest level" truthisfreedom Nov 2017 #1
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Nov 2017 #2
Nothing will be done Scarsdale Nov 2017 #4
No assault weapons for civilians, period. HopeAgain Nov 2017 #6
No difference. Trump's fine with mentally ill people having their Second Amendment right no_hypocrisy Nov 2017 #3
So that's it...crazy shooters and vigilantes. HopeAgain Nov 2017 #5
Must be why Trump overturned restrictions on Mentally I'll owning guns whathehell Nov 2017 #7
Yes padah513 Nov 2017 #9
Agree totally but I heard nothing at all.from the broadcast media whathehell Nov 2017 #11
+1 riversedge Nov 2017 #21
Nice for the abuser to give his 2 cents! Madam45for2923 Nov 2017 #8
No actually it is about the guns quaker bill Nov 2017 #10
Agree. It IS about guns and as far as mental health, let's not get advice from DT. mpcamb Nov 2017 #32
+1 quaker bill Nov 2017 #34
And Republicans care about mental health even less than they care about gun safety. tanyev Nov 2017 #12
I'll just leave this here as a reminder BumRushDaShow Nov 2017 #13
If a guy named Mohamed had shot these people Trump would be calling for a Muslim ban doc03 Nov 2017 #14
There are mentally-ill people scattered in nations all over the globe. Paladin Nov 2017 #18
The "mental health" issue billh58 Nov 2017 #20
The mentally ill diagnosing the mentally ill. bucolic_frolic Nov 2017 #15
Well that didn't take long. A WHITE guy is always "disturbed". Brown skin--TERRORISTS!!!!!!! Bengus81 Nov 2017 #16
Seems to me someone named Obama Timmygoat Nov 2017 #17
Too many madokie Nov 2017 #19
I agree. This country is insane to allow people to buy machine guns. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #22
That "machine gun" reference will get you in trouble with the pro-gun vocabulary police. Paladin Nov 2017 #24
Fuck 'em. No time for euphemisms anymore. We hand over control of language all the time. lagomorph777 Nov 2017 #25
Good. I've been arguing for reclaiming the vocabulary for a long time, now. Paladin Nov 2017 #33
And Repugs just *repealed* laws meant to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill. eppur_se_muova Nov 2017 #23
Yes. Turbineguy Nov 2017 #26
Trump said neighbor shot shooter.... ollie10 Nov 2017 #27
Someone needs to teach Don about guns and, especially, long-range scopes. Vinca Nov 2017 #28
Fine. Then isnt most terrorism, religious or otherwise, a mental health issue? Freethinker65 Nov 2017 #29
Demonstrates how pathetic, this POTUS is laserhaas Nov 2017 #30
Kelley's Or Trump's Mental Health? DallasNE Nov 2017 #31

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
1. trump finally admits "mental health problem at the highest level"
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:15 AM
Nov 2017

America sighs, finally gets a good night's sleep.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
2. People Control, Not Gun Control
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:23 AM
Nov 2017

(see number 2)

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
4. Nothing will be done
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:40 AM
Nov 2017

about mental health issues, since we have a MENTAL patient in the WH. A mental patient representing the USA. Not to mention that several members of this government are not too tightly wrapped. Screwy Louie Gohmert comes to mind.

no_hypocrisy

(46,086 posts)
3. No difference. Trump's fine with mentally ill people having their Second Amendment right
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 07:27 AM
Nov 2017

to buy as many weapons as they can afford.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
11. Agree totally but I heard nothing at all.from the broadcast media
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:20 AM
Nov 2017

when he did it...Got it from the internet.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
10. No actually it is about the guns
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:12 AM
Nov 2017

Guns, in particular the emblematic assault type weapon, give small people with massive mental health issues the confidence and ability they need and want to cause this sort of damage. The gun humpers are correct, it is not the gun, it is the person carrying it. However, we must begin to consider how carrying this sort of weaponry changes and emboldens the carrier.

They look lethal, they are advertised as lethal, they ooze a gun geek testosterone-y manliness, and this is not by accident, it is marketing. Now there is nothing in essence wrong with marketing per-se, but unfortunately some of us are damaged and desperate enough to believe and internalize the pitch. These folks feel disempowered, probably for real cause, but they want their power back, so they go and buy some, and them some use it.

It is not the gun, it is the change that having massive lethal fire power makes in the carrier that is the problem.

doc03

(35,325 posts)
14. If a guy named Mohamed had shot these people Trump would be calling for a Muslim ban
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:53 AM
Nov 2017

and probably bomb some ME country. If it was Jose he would be deporting Mexicans and building his wall
5 feet higher. If it was a black guy he would be calling him a thug and advocating cops shooting them on sight.
This case it's mental illness.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
18. There are mentally-ill people scattered in nations all over the globe.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:28 AM
Nov 2017

Only in the U.S. is there a repeated, sickening stream of mass slaughters involving the use of guns. Anybody smarter than trump....let me just repeat that: Anybody smarter than trump, should recognize that guns are a serious problem in our country. Dismissing it as nothing more than a mental health issue is right out of the NRA Diversionary Tactics 101 textbook.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
20. The "mental health" issue
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:45 AM
Nov 2017

is one of the right-wing gun lobby's bedrock talking points, and has been for decades. Of course there is a mental health factor, but the real issue is the easy access to guns by anyone in this country.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
16. Well that didn't take long. A WHITE guy is always "disturbed". Brown skin--TERRORISTS!!!!!!!
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:02 AM
Nov 2017

And on and on it goes.............

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
17. Seems to me someone named Obama
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:08 AM
Nov 2017

Passed legislation to control sales of guns to the mentally ill, and someone named Trump repealed it!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
19. Too many
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 09:34 AM
Nov 2017

fucking human killing machines in the hands of too many crazy people. pretty fucking simple

I have a ton of brothers, nephews and friends who hunt and not a single one of them use a killing machine that has a 20 - 30 - 50 round clip. They all laugh when I ask about why that is

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
24. That "machine gun" reference will get you in trouble with the pro-gun vocabulary police.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:17 AM
Nov 2017

Just part of the game.

(Machine guns are fully automatic; the firearm that lunatic used in Texas was tricked out to look like a military-issue machine gun, but it was in fact a semi-automatic weapon. None of the foregoing will render any of those poor churchgoers any less dead or injured.)

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
25. Fuck 'em. No time for euphemisms anymore. We hand over control of language all the time.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:40 AM
Nov 2017

I'm not gonna do it anymore.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
33. Good. I've been arguing for reclaiming the vocabulary for a long time, now.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 03:31 PM
Nov 2017

And if I prefer the NY Times' definition of what an "assault rifle" is, rather than what Ted Nugent says it is, then tough fucking shit.

eppur_se_muova

(36,261 posts)
23. And Repugs just *repealed* laws meant to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:36 AM
Nov 2017

So what's his point ? Either way, Repugs are getting their constituents killed in droves.

It IS about gun control. It is ALSO about mental illness. It is ALSO about domestic abuse. It is a complex, real world problem, and like many real world problems, it is "about" more than one thing at a time. Neither our Congress nor our fake "president" can deal with ANY of the problems facing the country, so they are the worst ones possible to be handling -- or even commenting on -- the problem.

Turbineguy

(37,322 posts)
26. Yes.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:17 PM
Nov 2017

These guns are designed for shooting people. And we'll just pretend that they are breaking into your house.

 

ollie10

(2,091 posts)
27. Trump said neighbor shot shooter....
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:19 PM
Nov 2017

.....to further Trump's agenda about people being armed helping.

It turns out it was a suicide.....

Now Trump is proclaiming the person mentally ill.....

Even if you concede his point.....there are mentally ill people in other countries. It is in the USA where the mentally ill get their guns.....much easier and much more frequently.....than in other countries

Crazy? What is insanity is continuing to do things the same way over and over and expect different results!!!

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
28. Someone needs to teach Don about guns and, especially, long-range scopes.
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:45 PM
Nov 2017

He seems to think he's immune - as do most Republicans. I'll bet you anything the non-child victims in Texas were Republicans. Every country has mentally ill people, but our country is the only one that allows them to have weapons.

Freethinker65

(10,012 posts)
29. Fine. Then isnt most terrorism, religious or otherwise, a mental health issue?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 12:49 PM
Nov 2017

I mean why would any sane person set out to deliberately harm a group of people (often a majority of which has never done them any harm and might even include people sympathetic to their cause)?

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