Trump allies worry that losing the House means impeachment

[orangecrush]

Source: CNN

Top White House aides, lawmakers, donors and political consultants are privately asking whether President Donald Trump realizes that losing the House next year could put his presidency in peril.

In more than a dozen interviews, Republicans inside and outside the White House told CNN conversations are ramping up behind the scenes about whether Trump fully grasps that his feuds with members of his own party and shortage of legislative achievements could soon put the fate of his presidency at risk.


Donors who trekked to Jackson Hole, Wyoming, in support of House Speaker Paul Ryan were treated to a slide show late this summer to fundraise off those very fears, according to multiple attendees. Among the slides: An overview of the Democrats who would be tapped to lead key committees if the GOP loses control, including Rep. Elijah Cummings as the head of the House Oversight Committee.

To some attendees, the subtext was clear. If Republicans forfeit the House, Democrats will almost certainly create a spectacle that will derail conservatives' agenda and the remainder of Trump's first term -- a spectacle complete with a raft of new subpoenas, a spotlight on the Russia investigation and, many are convinced, impeachment proceedings.
...

Another GOP congressional aide predicted the Democrats would make Trump's life a "living hell."

Read more: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/16/politics/democrats-house-midterm-elections/index.html

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There it is.

GOTV.

[beachbum bob]

1. when the democrats take back congress, impeachment will be one of many things conservatives

will be worried about....how many Trump officials will be investigated, indicted and jailed for corruption?

[orangecrush]

6. It will be

A parade of shame!

[lagomorph777]

92. The perp walk will look like ants headed for a picnic

half the GOP are explicitly complicit, starting with Ryan, McConnell, and Nunes.

[orangecrush]

93. They are trying to get a replacement mole for Nunes

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141890950

[lagomorph777]

94. Somebody else willing to do the perp walk?

Well, there are plenty more e. coli in the Reputin party.

[cstanleytech]

61. Impeachment is probably 2nd place. First place is fear over ethics investigations leading to

possible imprisonment for varies Repugnant House members.

[onetexan]

90. get them ALL, the maggot's enablers and handlers and complicit GOP scumbags

We would love to see Dems derail conservatives' agenda and the remainder of Trump's first term -- make a YUUUGGE spectacle complete with a raft of new subpoenas, a spotlight on the Russia investigation and impeachment proceedings...all of the above!!

[PoliticAverse]

2. Is impeachment "on the table"? n/t

[FarPoint]

4. No....

Yet that won't stop the propaganda spin...like, Obama is taking away all our guns shit.

[orangecrush]

5. It isn't "on the table"...

It is on the chopping block.

[beachbum bob]

10. many conservatives will be running on "saving" trump from impeachment and this would be an awesome

tactic for democrats, who should refrain from any such talk on the political level,,,but constantly ask their conservative opponents..."What has Trump done to deserve Impeachment", if you are running on the platform of saving him?"....let the conservatives defend trump's record....and "saving him"

democrats should not feed the fire on the issue as a campaign tactic

[orangecrush]

20. Hell's Bells!

I do believe you just rang them!

[Canoe52]

60. +1 nt

[FarPoint]

3. Essentially....

GOP Congress.....they are players in obstruction of Justice ....

[orangecrush]

7. If we take the house

They will be held accountable.

[FarPoint]

11. Indeed we will....

The GOP is using this to rally their tRumpsters.... hoping to retain the House and Senate.

[orangecrush]

13. Many mainstream repubs

Find Rump distasteful.

(See what I did there?)

They may just stay home to express that distaste.

And we will encourage them to do so.

[CottonBear]

59. Exactly. The GOP Congressmen are traitors for not impeaching Cheetolini.

They are complicit.

[tanyev]

8. Oh, no! Those mean Democrats will create a spectacle! Derail the conservative agenda!

AKA, carrying out the oath that they swore to serve this country, its constitution, and upholding the rule of law.

[orangecrush]

14. Imagine that!

Democrats providing the conscience for the country!

[tymorial]

9. Captain obvious chimes in

Duh!

[orangecrush]

15. Ding ding!

[MrModerate]

12. If the objective is to limit the damage caused by Trump during his however-long administration . . .

Then tying him up in legal and political knots -- some of his own invention -- is a sound strategy.

This is based on the theory that a ship of state adrift is slightly preferable to one with a madman at the tiller.

[orangecrush]

17. Reminds me of the "Caine Mutiny"

Where they waited till they were on the brink of disaster to finally declare Queeg unfit for command and take control of the ship.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

87. That happens ...

... Saturday night, I had to go all Barry Scheck on a non club member attending our service club (I am treasurer of the 501c) who was texting on his smartphone, from the table at the front, while our club president was speaking.

He denied he was spying or sending live info to anyone. I told him and everyone (very loudly), "That is what you say. But WE don't know that".

By the end of the meeting, we had held a vote to fill the Sergeant at Arms position, that had been empty for years.

And no, I did not apologize to anyone. The guy, who was there to take a group photo and speak on his own organization's (semi rival to ours) plans to assist in an event later this month. He came to me outside as I left and apologized. Again, I went Barry Scheck on him (his dad is a retired state supreme court justice/GOP appointee) and laid it on him about ex post facto and grandfather laws and the headaches ...

Just incase some folks her are too young to remember: [link:https://www.bustle.com/articles/166815-what-is-barry-scheck-doing-now-oj-simpsons-former-lawyer-is-helping-the-wrongfully-accused|

[orangecrush]

88. Thanks

For standing up!

[L. Coyote]

16. They should worry about impeachment any day now.

[orangecrush]

18. That's the fact

Stephen is dead zone on!

[onetexan]

91. hehe love the stephen king pic & caption

as twisted as his horror stories are i have great respect for this writer and LOVEEE his politics

[JDC]

19. We need to win first. I refuse to look past the elections

I thought we’d have the House, Senate and WH in 2017. I’m not sure how much has changed since then. Maybe we will get the vote out, but Americans are spectators in my experience. Most will stay home and assume everyone else is going to get it done. Not me. We need to get out and fight harder than we’ve ever fought for our candidates.

[orangecrush]

25. If Trump doesn't motivate democrats to get out and vote

Nothing will.

Same thing happened after Bush's first term, and this is 100 times worse.

I just hope it's in time to stop him from kicking off WW3.

[Eliot Rosewater]

81. Yes, allow me to SHIT on everyone's parade, if I may.

Unless every non fascist, non racist signs up to vote Democratic ticket and VOTES democratic ticket, we wont take back jack.

Gerrymandering and Russian KGB ops will see to that.

[Scarsdale]

21. We need ADULTS in office.

The childish gop have jumped on the tRump bandwagon, taken Russian money, and now are trying to get out from under it all. Their treatment of the highly intelligent President Obama against the adulation they give tRump is disgusting. Every time they defend his indefensible actions, they lose more self respect. After 8 years, they only took months to tear down the entire country. Incompetant gop members deserve the clown they helped elect. Did they honestly think we are too dumb to see him for what he really is??

[orangecrush]

26. This is the Putin - Mercer presidency.

Trump is just the front man.

[Eliot Rosewater]

82. Yep. The Mercer family need to be in prison with trump for treason.

[orangecrush]

83. I'll bet

They have not escaped Robert Mueller's scrutiny.

[dalton99a]

22. Yes, G.O.T.V.

[KeepItReal]

23. So you're saying he's impeachable right now.

Eom

[orangecrush]

27. Many times over, imo

But nothing will happen unless we take back the House,

Barring something earth shaking from Mueller before that, that is.

[tblue37]

86. FYI: "eom" goes in the subject line, to tell readers they don't need to open the message b/c there

is nothing to read beyond the subject line.

[floWteiuQ]

24. They damn well....

better worry about Trump and themselves. They created a house-of-lies electorate. They didn't have the good sense to wonder what happens with crazy once you've driven it crazy with lies, fear, and hate.

[orangecrush]

28. They own it

Let them lay in the bed they made.

[sharedvalues]

29. Projection. Dems want to govern

The GOP thinks Democrats will launch endless investigations into nothing.
They're wrong. GOP puts party and power over country. Dems want to do good and will do a lot more governing than the GOP does.

[orangecrush]

34. much truth in that

This administration is like a dog chasing a car, that finally catches it and doesn't have a clue as what to do with it.

[Loyd]

30. Ya THINK???

[orangecrush]

35. Welcome to D.U.

Sometimes, yes, my one remaining brain cell fires intermittently.

[Maxheader]

31. So?

Why aren't the little buggers doing something about
it now? tRUMP will stay around until the gop congress
kicks it ass out. No need to wait till next year.

[orangecrush]

36. They were hoping

I think, for a rubberstamp to get their agenda through, but my view is every time it comes to it, he adds on such nutcase provisions, they can't vote for it and survive an election.

[Honeycombe8]

32. This shows that the House is in on the fix to keep an unfit President. Also, isn't House WAY ahead

of Dems? Doesn't the House of Rep have a lot more Repubs than Dems, so that it's unlikely for Dems to overtake it?

Sounds like this may be a pitch for donors.

[orangecrush]

37. A lot of that is due to gerrymandering

As is the case here in Pa. with Mike Kelly.

But Trump voter remorse might be enough to overcome that.

[Eliot Rosewater]

84. Trump voters will lose their homes, die, from his actions, but most of them are incapable of voting

in their best interest.

Though getting them NOT to vote helps, oh, does that ring a bell or what?

I am not allowed to talk about that, how that effected a result last year, etc

[orangecrush]

89. Hear ya

We won't get fooled again.

[MiniMe]

33. Won't do any good unless we have the Senate too

[orangecrush]

39. a sweep

that would be great!

[unblock]

41. well, we won't be able to remove him, but we can impeach him, and that will do some damage.

personally, i think we should impeach him 70 times (or however many times republicans voted in futility to repeal obamacare while obama was president.

seriously, let's tie the senate up doing non-stop impeachment hearings, one after another.


also, as a technical point, merely "having" the senate isn't enough; we need 2/3rds to remove. a majority doesn't help in this respect at all.

[unblock]

38. if republicans were statesmen, then *high crimes and misdemeanors* would mean impeachment.

instead we have to wait for another election cycle and for democrats to do what the founders intended.

[orangecrush]

42. even a few of them

are starting to come around and realize Trump posed a danger to the very constitutional government they are a part of.

I also think secretly once Trump is entrenched, he will no longer work with them or listen to them.

It's happening already.

This isn't a "republican" administration.

It's a Putin - Mercer administration.

[unblock]

45. it's a white nationalist administration.

republicans made a deal with the devil when nixon first ran for president, and they've been getting their electoral viability from bigots ever since. way too late for a small number of them to privately, quietly express misgivings about where their half-century strategy has led us.

even still, few if any of them will go on record opposing benedict donnie.

i highly doubt any of them will muster the backbone to remove if he is impeached. that would take 17 republicans, assuming even we get to a 50-50 senate (it takes 2/3rds to remove).

as i seriously doubt we'll find 17 willing to commit the ultimate republican sin, any republican would see their own vote to remove as simply shooting themselves in the foot. so i think we'll get zero republicans.


they'll complain in private, and they'll avoid him like the plague come campaign season, but they won't stick their necks out to remove him.

[orangecrush]

50. The white nationalism is just a symptom of the bigger threat

Bannon and the alt - right are followers of Duginism, which believes in a strategy of controlling the narrative by using the extremes, such as white nationalism or the far left to support, say, Russia's incursions in the Ukraine.

As such, they have no real soul, and will use whatever helps them further their agenda.

[unblock]

53. fair point.

[orangecrush]

54. Thanks

And rest assured I hate white nationalism with a white hot passion.

[sandensea]

40. Democrats aren't going to make Trump's life a "living hell."

He's doing a splendid job of that on his own - and will probably get even better at it by 2019 (if the Joint Chiefs haven't kicked his orange tush out the Oval office by then).

[orangecrush]

43. I can spare a gallon of gas

to throw on that fire!

[sandensea]

46. And we may not need Lao Tzu's kind of patience to see his removal happen.

As you know, many of his top cabinet officials are openly sounding alarm bells as to his very sanity.

The real question is: would we be stuck with Mikey Fetus Funeral.

Frankly, and as much as I'd love seeing the spectacle of Cheeto being led out of the Oval Office in handcuffs, I'd rather keep the orange oaf on for the remainder of his (one) term rather than have to put up with Pence.

[orangecrush]

48. On the other hand

Once in the office, it would become rapidly apparent how ridiculous Pence is.

Think Rick Santorum on steroids.

[sandensea]

49. Your word to God's ear.

I can almost hear the MSM try to normalize that medieval nut Pence if the presidency does indeed fall on his lap.

Karen Pence must already be measuring the drapes.

[orangecrush]

51. I'm with you

Santorum is now a punchline, after he was exposed to the daylight.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

44. Ya think...

... eom. (Sorry for the ad lib David Spadish retort)

[orangecrush]

47. I think

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

66. I was on my first cup of coffee...

... I had not yet channeled my inner Rene'. So I kept it simple and on the low down with David Spade.

[orangecrush]

71. I think...

BECAUSE I have had my coffee!

[malthaussen]

52. A consummation devoutly to be wished.

But I suspect a war will be started just in time to influence the 2018 vote. Nothing gets more votes for the current government than bombing the shit out of somebody -- at least, when it starts.

-- Mal

[orangecrush]

55. My fear as well

Hopefully, even the mainstream GOP sees that our economy is still devastated by the last two wars, and to further weaken it with another will play directly into Putin's hands.

[elmac]

56. Worried?

hell, they have putin working for them, the uber rich working for them, the Supreme court working for them and their own voter suppression laws working for them. The fascist pigs have it made in the shade.

[orangecrush]

72. And we put a black President in office

For 8 years. In spite of all that.

We can do anything with the proper plan and motivation.

[Tiggeroshii]

57. The problem for them is that their original bases will likely not be enough to throw off this

Increasingly inevitable wave. And it doesn't so far seem like enough people in the presidents circle care enough to change that.

[orangecrush]

73. Good point

39% can't hold things down for Trump.

[Tiggeroshii]

85. Try 20

He will have already lost half of what he had by next year if he Kees this up.

[underthematrix]

58. It does.

[gopiscrap]

62. by God, it should include impeachment

[Liberalagogo]

63. ...the Democrats would make Trump's life a "living hell."

[orangecrush]

76. ...

[CrispyQ]

64. I'm not convinced, if the dems controlled both chambers, that dem leadership would do anything.

I haven't seen anything in the past 30 years to indicate that the dems are up for this kind of fight. Their argument will be that since they control both chambers, they can limit the damage that way. Unless the Con resigns, I think we're stuck with him for the rest of his term. And since no one has done a GD thing about our compromised electoral process, he could win a second term with 97% of the popular vote. Everyday he's in office I have less hope that we'll get our country back.

[orangecrush]

74. We put a black President in office for 8 years.

We CAN DO.

[CrispyQ]

80. We the People put a black president in office, not Congress, or democratic leadership. -nt

[turbinetree]

65. Another GOP congressional aide predicted the Democrats would make Trump's life a "living hell."

I guess this GOP asshole didn't see the woman's march, and there supporters sending a message.



We are coming asshole........................

[orangecrush]

75. They know it

And they are talking about it among themselves.

[Gothmog]

67. K&R

[colsohlibgal]

68. Yin-Yang

It is a net gain though, and that tells us all we need to know about how ghastly unsuited for President Chitolini is.....because Pence is creepy to the max, as far right, and a religious fanatic.

But...if we had congress we could keep Pence from creating a Theocracy.

[orangecrush]

77. And shine a spotlight on him

Ala Rick Santorum.

[MFM008]

69. Exciting isn't it.

I'm just afraid he will resign before he can be expelled.

[orangecrush]

78. Chinese curse

"May you live in interesting times."

[Blue_Tires]

70. So get your asses out there and VOTE!

[orangecrush]

79. Just made a check end of Sept.

That all is well with my registration.

I recommend that all democrats do the same.