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Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:25 PM

Trump will scrap critical Obamacare subsidy

Source: Politico

President Donald Trump plans to cut subsidy payments to insurers in his most aggressive move yet to undermine Obamacare after months of unsuccessful repeal efforts on Capitol Hill, according to two sources.

The subsidies, which are worth an estimated $7 billion this year and are paid out in monthly installments, may stop almost immediately since Congress hasn’t appropriated funding for the program.

Scrapping the funding is likely to provide another jolt to the already fragile Obamacare markets. The impact may be cushioned by the fact that many insurers had priced next year's plans higher than they otherwise would have, fearing this decision. Others have already fled the Obamacare markets, which are set to begin open enrollment in Nov. 1 for the 2018 plan year.

Insurers rely on the subsidies to reduce out-of-pocket costs for low-income Obamacare customers. They’re still on the hook to provide the discounted rates to their members under the law, despite no longer receiving the federal funding.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/12/trump-obamacare-subsidy-243736

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Reply Trump will scrap critical Obamacare subsidy (Original post)
sandensea Oct 12 OP
rdking647 Oct 12 #1
BigmanPigman Oct 12 #5
ProudMNDemocrat Oct 12 #26
briv1016 Oct 12 #23
MFM008 Oct 12 #25
briv1016 Oct 12 #27
MFM008 Oct 13 #35
world wide wally Oct 13 #33
riversedge Oct 13 #32
sinkingfeeling Oct 12 #2
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stevil Oct 12 #3
BigmanPigman Oct 12 #4
msongs Oct 12 #6
sandensea Oct 12 #10
mdbl Oct 13 #39
MichMan Oct 13 #42
Yupster Oct 13 #46
MichMan Oct 13 #50
mdbl Oct 13 #53
MichMan Oct 13 #54
Yupster Oct 13 #55
Grassy Knoll Oct 12 #7
Motownman78 Oct 12 #18
not fooled Oct 12 #19
AJT Oct 12 #8
enough Oct 12 #9
sandensea Oct 12 #11
xor Oct 13 #36
Freethinker65 Oct 12 #12
SHRED Oct 12 #13
MFM008 Oct 12 #14
jzodda Oct 12 #15
BigmanPigman Oct 12 #16
Danmel Oct 13 #41
workinclasszero Oct 13 #43
Matthew28 Oct 12 #17
not fooled Oct 12 #20
BlueIdaho Oct 12 #21
Grammy23 Oct 12 #22
sandensea Oct 12 #24
cilla4progress Oct 12 #28
Doreen Oct 13 #29
NBachers Oct 13 #30
sandensea Oct 13 #31
workinclasszero Oct 13 #45
Beartracks Oct 13 #34
videohead5 Oct 13 #37
muriel_volestrangler Oct 13 #38
Bayard Oct 13 #49
Vinca Oct 13 #40
Javaman Oct 13 #44
Bengus81 Oct 13 #47
LudwigPastorius Oct 13 #48
Kablooie Oct 13 #51
Bengus81 Oct 13 #52

Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:26 PM

1. its time for him to be removed from office. any way possible

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:31 PM

5. Do you have any Mafia connections? I will chip in.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:25 PM

26. My last name ends in a vowel....


Would that help?

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:58 PM

23. Do you really think Pence or Ryan would be any better?

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Response to briv1016 (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:21 PM

25. its not a contest

Its like saying there was no difference between Maggot and Hilllary............
Lets deal with one ass hat at a time.

Nothing is as bad as he who will not be named.
NO ONE.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:43 PM

27. Actually it's not like comparing Hillary to Donald at all.

Pence is just as vindictive and bloodthirsty as Donald with a religions twist that will make him even more focused on targeting LGBT+ Americans. And Ryan is an Ayn Rand follower who has lead the repeated repeal attempts of the ACA in the house and now the new tax reform bill.

What's more, both of them actually have half a brain so they might actually be able to work with the house and senate repugs to pass legislation.

Tell me where I'm wrong here.

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Response to briv1016 (Reply #27)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 02:08 AM

35. your wrong

Pence is standard republican crap.
Also he doesnt have the rabid insane following.
He is an establishment repuke.
He doesnt tweet compulsively.
He wouldnt threaten other world leaders with names.
Yes hes loathsome.
As far as targeting LGBT, maggot is doing a fine job all by himself.
Pence is a religious ass.
Maggot has no beliefs, only $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Its his God.
His mantra is Chaos and destruction.
He is a sadist he really gets off on suffering .
He is an emotional vampire.
Pence is the next Gerald Ford.

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Response to briv1016 (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:10 AM

33. Trump is more brazen.

All of them would like to do it but I don't know if Pence would be brazen enough to steal America's health care from them so openly. We can only hope there is a hell for at least Donald J T rump

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:09 AM

32. our only hope is mueller.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:26 PM

2. The F**king Moron single-handedly destroying the country.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:30 PM

3. *

Asshole.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:31 PM

4. Now 50% of my income will go toward my healthcare!

It was 35%. FUCK HIM!!!!!!

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:33 PM

6. seems to me a prez cannot rewite congressional law. not sure how he can do this nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:40 PM

10. The problem is Congress.

What's to stop them from actually implementing his tinpot decrees?

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:30 AM

39. He's not rewriting the law, he's removing protections from Obama administration

The law didn't address certain problems so Obama compensated with executive orders, that are easily rescinded if an evil self-centered asshole takes over the white house - thus our current situation.

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Response to mdbl (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:38 AM

42. Are you saying the ACA was poorly written in the first place? nm

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Response to MichMan (Reply #42)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:41 AM

46. The ACA that passed was not supposed to be the law

They made all kinds of side agreements, additions and subtractions just to get the bill through the senate.

It didn't matter because the slop would be cleaned up when the real bill was written in the Conference Committee.

Then Ted Kennedy died and Scott Brown won the seat taking away the 60'th vote.

So the only choice was for the House to pass the senate's version which was never supposed to be the final law.

Obama did his best cleaning up the mess with Executive Orders.

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Response to Yupster (Reply #46)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:26 AM

50. Were the subsidies ever in the law that was passed or not? nm

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Response to MichMan (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:38 PM

53. You could just make your point instead of the snarky nm's

It doesn't solidify your position very well - it just makes it look like you want any kind of public health care initiative to fail.

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Response to mdbl (Reply #53)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:00 PM

54. Not my intent

It is hard for me sometimes to type on my phone, so I usually wait until the PM when I can use a computer.

If the subsidies were in the legislation, the court would rule it couldn't be overturned. If it wasn't then that would indicate that the house and Senate screwed up by omitting it. Not sure which is true

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Response to MichMan (Reply #50)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 11:56 PM

55. No

A Democratic congress would not pass a law that gave payouts to giant insurance companies year after year. This was added as an EO once the numbers didn't work out the way they hoped.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:37 PM

7. Is There Still A Tax Return Penalty If You Have No Insurance ?

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:17 PM

18. Depends

If your premiums for a bronze plan would be greater than 10% of your income you do not owe the penalty.

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Response to Grassy Knoll (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:23 PM

19. I think the IRS

has been directed to not enforce the penalty. Sorry, I can't remember where I read that. But if he hasn't implemented such a directive, he will.

I don't think dump has the policy knowledge to figure out on his own how to destroy the ACA, but you can bet that he has been supplied by e.g. the Heriturd Fuckdation with kochbots who have gone over the legislation with a fine-toothed comb to determine what to do to dismantle Obamacare. Then, all they have to do is funnel the money into tax cuts and they have achieved their ends.

We are living with the consequences of a coup last November.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:39 PM

8. Getting this done is why the GOP will not impeach. They get the things they want while 45 provides

the distractions.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:39 PM

9. How can he think this will help him? NT

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Response to enough (Reply #9)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:41 PM

11. It seems he's just going for broke at this point.

He must figure his days playing dictator are numbered, and that he might as well inflict as much harm as he can while he still can.

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Response to enough (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 02:33 AM

36. His base is really really stupid and/or brainwashed.

So he'll always have them. And then many of the anti-trump republicans will cheer this on because even though they hate Trump, they still hate the ACA.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:43 PM

12. What a vindictive fucking asshole. The GOP owns this motherfucker

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:50 PM

13. This is horrible


What an evil bastard.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:56 PM

14. Why won't this MFr

Drop dead?

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:00 PM

15. The blood will be on his hands.

The deaths that are about to occur, the blood is on his hands.

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Response to jzodda (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:04 PM

16. I just wrote him an email and said that along

with my wish to see him suffer in agonizing pain throughout eternity and I called him every awful name in the book. This was not the first time I have written to him with such sincere hatred.

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Response to jzodda (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:34 AM

41. He probably bathes in blood

He is a fucking monster.

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Response to jzodda (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:46 AM

43. Yes it will be on his hands

and he could care less.

He and his ***kin party exist to attack and destroy as many American citizens as it can and they fully control all political power in this godforsaken fascist state we are all living in at this time.

Will people finally get off their asses in 2018 and start to fight the terrorist GOP?

I have many doubts about that.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:10 PM

17. The same people that drive this crap

are the same people that said let them die.

This is what Trump believes. Pure evil.

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Response to Matthew28 (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:31 PM

20. Between those people who want to see others die

and the ignorant among us who have tuned out, the GOPee won't suffer any consequences. I hate to say so, but they have been destroying this country since raygun and look where they are now. Of course, they got there through lying, cheating, and stealing but they don't care. They are ruling as a minority through election rigging.

I remain convinced that it will take a major depression or war to wake people up and end the grip pukes have on this nation.



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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:32 PM

21. Let the suffering begin.

Trump is determined to kill Obamacare no matter how much it hurts ordinary Americans.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 10:48 PM

22. The adult daughter of a very good friend of mine is getting her insurance


Thanks to the subsidy paid for her. She had not had health insurance in some time so she went for a physical and because she had a dark mole on her back. She is very fair skinned and is a true redhead. Turned out to be melanoma, but caught fairly early. She had surgery and has been seen for follow ups ever since. In addition, she has other health issues that were misdiagnosed for years as COPD. She has been under the care of pulmonary doctors, too.

When I heard that tRump is yanking the subsidy payments, I felt a knot in the pit of my stomach. My friend’s daughter is the first person I thought about. Even if she doesn’t get kicked off of her insurance immediately, it will probably eventually run out. The stress they will feel worrying about this is just so unfair.

tRump will have the blood of every person who suffers as a result of his cruel actions. Out of pure spite, he has jeopardized the lives of millions. What a sick bastard he has turned out to be.

Karma has a sh*t load of revenge coming for him. May he be consumed by the heat of a thousand suns. I cannot wrap my head around the sickness that has control of his life to make him so cruel. But he is building up a debt he will never pay off if he had all the gold in Ft. Knox.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:09 PM

24. It's so important to have real-life accounts. Thank you for this!

I suspect these bastards are so convinced they're already going to Hell, they've figured they might as well go for broke.

I like to think instead that we come back - and that such people will be reborn in Haiti or some afflicted place like that.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:58 PM

28. There will be a lot of medical bankruptcies

again.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:24 AM

29. He is going to have the blood of a whole hell of a lot of people on his tiny hands.

How come I have a sick feeling he and the administration like this.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:36 AM

30. He's standing at the broken window and unloading as many rounds as he can.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:43 AM

31. ↑ Thread winner.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:05 AM

45. Yep

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:21 AM

34. GOP fails to repeal ACA, so Trump opts to hurt the sick & elderly on his own by kneecapping it.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:29 AM

37. He's Trying to Blackmail

The Democrats to come to the table.I would tell him to go screw himself.he will be blamed.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:30 AM

38. Joint statement from Pelosi and Schumer:

“Sadly, instead of working to lower health costs for Americans, it seems President Trump will singlehandedly hike Americans’ health premiums. It is a spiteful act of vast, pointless sabotage leveled at working families and the middle class in every corner of America. Make no mistake about it, Trump will try to blame the Affordable Care Act, but this will fall on his back and he will pay the price for it.

“President Trump has apparently decided to punish the American people for his inability to improve our health care system. Trumpcare collapsed because Americans overwhelmingly recognized the cruelty and higher costs it meant for them and their loved ones. Now, millions of hard-working American families will suffer just because President Trump wants them to.

“If these reports are true, the President is walking away from the good faith, bipartisan Alexander-Murray negotiations and risking the health care of millions of Americans.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-to-end-csr-payments

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #38)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:38 AM

49. So much for working with Chuck and Nancy

Is this going to yank people out of nursing homes?

I suspect Medicaid is the next target.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:29 AM

40. Republicans will soon find this affects them, too.

What's so maddening is that Obamacare could be fixed fairly easily. Instead, people are going to be made to suffer and die. I know what Obamacare meant to me (now on Medicare) and I also know there are millions more like me.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 08:35 AM

44. basically what the trumpster fire did was...

when the other kids wouldn't give him the basketball, he took out his switchblade and popped it.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:27 AM

47. GD this POFS!! ...........................

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:37 AM

48. I loathe that fucking piece of shit.

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Thanks to him my monthly premium will probably more than double.

Chances are, I'll just end up going uninsured.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:23 PM

51. And of course the Fox News headline:

President cuts payments to ‘pet insurance companies,’ triggers war with Dems

They will hide the damage he's doing and blame it all on the Dems while people die from lack of proper medical care.

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Response to sandensea (Original post)

Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:55 PM

52. Who's the FIRST Trump voter out there with ACA and a pre-existing condition.....

that will LOSE coverage and have to re-apply with some insurance company? Good luck FUCKER,you might as well spend the money on a burial plot and services because they WON'T cover you.

That's the thing dumb asses,when that shit gibbon pulls these stunts Republicans don't get a pass because they voted for him. Your in that same sinking boat we're NOW stuck in.

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