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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:10 PM Oct 2017

In wake of Las Vegas shootings, no plans to bring gun silencer bill to House floor, Ryan says

Source: The Washington Post




By Mike DeBonis October 3 at 11:55 AM

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday that Republican leaders have no plans to advance a bill that would make it easier for Americans to buy gun silencers.

The focus on the legislation, which passed a House committee last month, was magnified Monday after the Sunday night shooting in Las Vegas that left at least 59 dead and hundreds injured. “That bill is not scheduled now; I don’t know when it’s going to be scheduled,” Ryan said. “Right now we’re focused on passing our budget.”

The Las Vegas shooting is the latest incident of mass violence to put Republican lawmakers on the defensive over their opposition to new gun restrictions — and, in some cases, their efforts to eliminate existing ones.

The Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act passed the House Natural Resources Committee on a party-line vote last month. Currently, owning a firearm silencer requires a special license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, similar to the regulations surrounding machine guns and explosives. The House bill would instead treat silencers, also known as suppressors, like firearms — requiring only a federal background check.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/in-wake-of-las-vegas-shootings-no-plans-to-bring-gun-silencer-bill-to-house-floor-ryan-says/2017/10/03/04575ce6-a848-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_house-guns-1225pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8a9aa940423a

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In wake of Las Vegas shootings, no plans to bring gun silencer bill to House floor, Ryan says (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2017 OP
Shall we place bets that he is lying? Doreen Oct 2017 #1
Silencers aren't the problem HopeAgain Oct 2017 #2
But that's the bill that's on the table now. LisaM Oct 2017 #7
So Hillary suggests sending a ship to PR, it's sent. Hillary brings up this bad legislation... LisaM Oct 2017 #8
No, but... zipplewrath Oct 2017 #11
One can buy what one needs to make a suppressor from Amazon.com Kaleva Oct 2017 #15
So you know the minds of mass murderers zipplewrath Oct 2017 #20
Looking at the actions of the ones we've had and there has been quite a few. Kaleva Oct 2017 #23
They are not nearly as commercialized zipplewrath Oct 2017 #25
Good point. Gunners aren't as law-abiding and responsible as they keep telling us. Hoyt Oct 2017 #28
He's the Speaker and he doesn't know when it's going to be scheduled? O pulled for good? TeamPooka Oct 2017 #3
silencers pamdb Oct 2017 #4
So he's just going to save it for later because he knows people will vote against? IronLionZion Oct 2017 #5
He's Using This Silencer Legislation To Silence The Gun Critics Now..... global1 Oct 2017 #6
Grim, ironic bonus points for the bill name. Paladin Oct 2017 #9
It's missing "For 'Merica" at the end there. n/t christx30 Oct 2017 #26
Gutless, balless cowards HAB911 Oct 2017 #10
Of course it isn't going to be pulled. Just left unscheduled for a few weeks. bitterross Oct 2017 #12
They'll try to slide it on an appropriations bill as a rider BumRushDaShow Oct 2017 #13
LOL! Breitbart headline: Ryan Sides With Hillary Clinton, Shelves Bill Expand Gun Rights HAB911 Oct 2017 #14
Chuckle. riversedge Oct 2017 #17
Jeff Duncan, Repug really is stupid.................. riversedge Oct 2017 #16
Wait, this is SHaREA law? Did nobody pick up on that? n/t eggplant Oct 2017 #18
Then he probably thought: At least for NOW. Marie Marie Oct 2017 #19
Translation - lark Oct 2017 #21
Dear Paul: it was a bad idea before Las Vegas MiniMe Oct 2017 #22
Now, asshole, by force, you will be introducing a bill declaring NRA as a terrorist organization Just Yakov Oct 2017 #24
I suspect it'll make its way into some bill or another just the same sandensea Oct 2017 #27

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
1. Shall we place bets that he is lying?
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:18 PM
Oct 2017

Another bet would be how long it will take before they do pass it.

LisaM

(27,758 posts)
8. So Hillary suggests sending a ship to PR, it's sent. Hillary brings up this bad legislation...
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017

it's deferred.

No wonder the people who hate her want her to go away. She is extremely effective and has her finger on the issues.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
11. No, but...
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:53 PM
Oct 2017

The tiny detail missing in this legislation is that, yes, it will help with the issue of the noise of people who are working/shooting in gun ranges, etc. These things aren't "silencers" in the sense that unlike Hollywood, they don't nearly "silence" a weapon. They do take the really high amplitude, high frequency out of the sound and that is the part that "hurts" ears the most, often even with some of the hearing protection people wear.

That said, they also do something else. Major urban areas have been setting up acoustic monitoring systems to determine the approximate location of gun shots. It helps in criminal investigations. These devices won't make it impossible, it will just reduce the accuracy and functionality of the systems.

Because both the optical flash and muzzle blast are muffled by flash suppressors and muzzle blast suppressors (also known as “silencers”), the efficacy of gunshot detection systems may be reduced for suppressed weapons.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunfire_locator

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
15. One can buy what one needs to make a suppressor from Amazon.com
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:49 PM
Oct 2017

Or at a local hardware or auto parts store. The components by themselves are not regulated and legal for even minors to buy. Total cost is about $30.00.

Criminals don't use use suppressors because they are not a game changer despite being easily available and cheap. They make concealing a gun problematic. Mass shooters and gang bangers don't seem to care too much about noise. Concern about noise isn't an issue in cases of murder-suicide, road rage and other crimes of passion either. And many crimes commited with a gun are where the criminal is using the gun to threaten the victm but not shoot him or her such as a store robbery.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
20. So you know the minds of mass murderers
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 04:55 PM
Oct 2017

Just curious where you get your detailed knowledge of the mindset of mass murderers?

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
23. Looking at the actions of the ones we've had and there has been quite a few.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 09:01 PM
Oct 2017

Of all of them, Christopher Dorner was the only one who used a suppressor when he went to war with the the LAPD.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
25. They are not nearly as commercialized
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 09:27 PM
Oct 2017

they are not nearly as commercialized as say the AR-15 itself. This is a mass market influence on peoples choices.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
28. Good point. Gunners aren't as law-abiding and responsible as they keep telling us.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 09:45 PM
Oct 2017

They are quite good at getting around the intent of the law to feed their sick habit.

TeamPooka

(24,155 posts)
3. He's the Speaker and he doesn't know when it's going to be scheduled? O pulled for good?
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:18 PM
Oct 2017

Who's running the House anyway Paul?
They should fill you in.
Loser.

IronLionZion

(45,256 posts)
5. So he's just going to save it for later because he knows people will vote against?
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:30 PM
Oct 2017

Wait until people forget about this shooting? Then he better sends thoughts and prayers that he times it just right before the next shooting inevitably happens.

global1

(25,167 posts)
6. He's Using This Silencer Legislation To Silence The Gun Critics Now.....
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:36 PM
Oct 2017

when the media leaves Las Vegas and goes back to just picking on Trump and the American People move on to some other story - the Repugs will revive this silencer legislation and move it forward. It's only a matter of time and Ryan is betting on the fact that the American Public will forget.

Again - we the American People need to move on the NRA and the Repugs with all the gusto that they did to kill Repeal and Replace of ACA.

We have to be relentless in our pursuit. We can't let up. We can't let the NRA or the Repugs off the hook.

Paladin

(28,202 posts)
9. Grim, ironic bonus points for the bill name.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017
"The Sportsmen's Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act." I knew the pro-gun militants had no sense of shame, but it's nice to get an occasional, blatant reminder of it.
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
12. Of course it isn't going to be pulled. Just left unscheduled for a few weeks.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:08 PM
Oct 2017

All they have to do is let Trump be Trump and he'll do enough to distract from it so they can move it later.

Trump is great for them - they get to move all sorts of really bad stuff while Trump distracts everyone with all the drama.

BumRushDaShow

(127,289 posts)
13. They'll try to slide it on an appropriations bill as a rider
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 02:14 PM
Oct 2017

or on another CR.

They know which side of the bread is buttered.

riversedge

(69,713 posts)
16. Jeff Duncan, Repug really is stupid..................
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 03:08 PM
Oct 2017



..............................But Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.), the bill’s sponsor, said in an interview Monday that the silencer provision would have had little bearing on the massacre in Nevada — pointing to media reports that the shooter may have had more than a dozen firearms, some of which may have been illegal.

“He’s already breaking the law shooting an automatic weapon that wasn’t registered, so what’s going to stop him, had he chosen to shoot a suppressed weapon, to do that?” Duncan said. “The thing is, and the thing he probably realized is, it doesn’t make any difference — it’s still loud.”

[Here’s how frustrated Democrats have responded to Las Vegas]

Democrats on Tuesday attacked GOP leaders for rebuffing various attempts to debate policies to combat gun violence. They blamed Ryan for refusing to allow votes on a universal background check bill and blocking requests for hearings on the issue.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) asked Ryan on Monday to launch a bipartisan special committee on gun violence, but Democrats said Ryan turned down the request. They also said he rejected a proposal from Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) for a show of unity and action to curb acts of gun violence..............................................

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/in-wake-of-las-vegas-shootings-no-plans-to-bring-gun-silencer-bill-to-house-floor-ryan-says/2017/10/03/04575ce6-a848-11e7-b3aa-c0e2e1d41e38_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_house-guns-1225pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.69e107f7ee5a

lark

(23,003 posts)
21. Translation -
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 05:15 PM
Oct 2017

It's too hot right now, but don't fret NRA friends, we'll bring up this increased gun killing bill once we've passed our increasing taxes on the poor and middle class killing bill.

 

Just Yakov

(21 posts)
24. Now, asshole, by force, you will be introducing a bill declaring NRA as a terrorist organization
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 09:11 PM
Oct 2017

and finally resign from your job due to being a top lackey for NRA, other than Cruzdick

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