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Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:29 PM

John McCain Is Pushing An Idea That Could Be A Huge Help To Puerto Rico

Source: Huff post


HuffPost September 26, 2017

WASHINGTON ― Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is urging acting Secretary of Homeland Security Elaine Duke to take an action that could significantly help Puerto Rico amid its unfolding humanitarian crisis: waive the Jones Act.

The law requires that all goods shipped between U.S. ports be carried by American-owned and operated ships. That means Puerto Rico pays double the shipping costs for goods from the U.S. mainland compared to neighboring islands. DHS has gotten emergency waivers to the Jones Act twice in the last months in response to recent hurricanes, and McCain says Duke should waive the law again to speed up relief efforts on the island decimated last week by Hurricane Maria.

“It is unacceptable to force the people of Puerto Rico to pay at least twice as much for food, clean drinking water, supplies and infrastructure due to Jones Act requirements as they work to recover from this disaster,” McCain said in a Tuesday letter to Duke. “We must treat this emergency relief with urgency ― every day that business owners are unable to recover their assets and account for lost business, the economy will retreat even further into devastation.”

Here’s the full letter:

DHS was not receptive to McCain’s request...............

Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-john-mccain-pushing-idea-012158744.html?utm_content=buffer12a2f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer













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https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029643817

Timothy Castantine🔎‏ @Castantine 1h1 hour ago

Trump on why they won't lift the Jones Act.

"Cuz shipping industry threw a tantrum."

Absolutely unbelievable.










John McCain‏Verified account @SenJohnMcCain

Shipping industry supports #JonesAct b/c it's protectionist. #PuertoRico deserves better than policy decisions driven by special interests.
1:43 PM - 27 Sep 2017




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Reply John McCain Is Pushing An Idea That Could Be A Huge Help To Puerto Rico (Original post)
riversedge Sep 2017 OP
JI7 Sep 2017 #1
EarthFirst Sep 2017 #2
shraby Sep 2017 #3
mercuryblues Sep 2017 #4
Judi Lynn Sep 2017 #11
mercuryblues Sep 2017 #32
George II Sep 2017 #5
calimary Sep 2017 #20
PJMcK Sep 2017 #26
JustAnotherGen Sep 2017 #29
DK504 Sep 2017 #6
Turbineguy Sep 2017 #7
EarthFirst Sep 2017 #8
Turbineguy Sep 2017 #9
elehhhhna Sep 2017 #19
Yupster Sep 2017 #27
Yonnie3 Sep 2017 #10
Turbineguy Sep 2017 #12
Kathy M Sep 2017 #24
Judi Lynn Sep 2017 #13
Mr.Bill Sep 2017 #14
Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2017 #15
Stallion Sep 2017 #17
FakeNoose Oct 2017 #34
BadgerMom Sep 2017 #16
sandensea Sep 2017 #18
KentuckyWoman Sep 2017 #21
yorkie77 Sep 2017 #22
hay rick Sep 2017 #23
Kathy M Sep 2017 #25
marylandblue Sep 2017 #28
Joe Chi Minh Sep 2017 #30
Scruffy1 Sep 2017 #31
Joe Chi Minh Oct 2017 #33

Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:31 PM

1. Can't it be temporary ? This is an emergency situation

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:34 PM

2. Their neighbors in nearby US Virgin Island territories have permanent Jones Act exemptions...

So this is more dog whistle behavior by the WH & The Swamp Creatures.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:36 PM

3. I don't believe trump. It can't be good for the shipping industry to let the island go down

the tubes to the point where it would make no difference whether there was a Jones Act or not. If the population has to relocate because they can't live there, There will be no shipping at all.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:36 PM

4. McCain has had

it in for the Jones act for decades. I do not trust him, nor the republiklans on this. Not one bit.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:55 PM

11. You believe it is appropriate for tiny Puerto Rico's citizens to pay TWICE as much for everything?

How can that benefit anyone other than the industrialists and their puppets in Congress?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 06:26 PM

32. The Jones act basically

works like this. A foreign flagged ship can not pick up cargo in one American port and drop it off in another American port. Foreign flagged ships can go to PR and drop off goods and pick up exports. They just can't drop those exports off at another American port. As a matter of fact 2/3 of the ships that call on PR are foreign flagged.

And they do not pay twice as much for goods because of the Jones act.

the cost of living comparison between PR and the USVI, which is not subject to the jones act.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Puerto+Rico&country2=Us+Virgin+Islands

cost of living comparison between Us and PR

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Puerto+Rico&country2=United+States

When a republican wants to repeal a law and starts quoting reports to shore up his claim they are lying. It's what they do. There is no way to calculate the financial cost to the consumers because of the Jones act. There are too many variables.

The problem is not that enough ships are bringing in supplies, the problem is the port is getting backed up because there is a shortage of semis and the roads are blocked. They can't get the goods where they need to go. Foreign ship are allowed to bring in relief from their country. The jones act does not stop that from happening.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:38 PM

5. I just don't understand why it's taken a week to even start making a decision on aid....

....to Puerto Rico. People are dying daily, the longer we wait the more that will die.

Aid was flowing to Houston and Florida just about a day or two after the storm cleared the area.

What we need is a Berlin Airlift type effort. Maybe most in government don't remember the Soviet Blockade and the Berlin Airlift?

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:11 PM

20. Hillary Clinton wouldn't have botched this. ANY of this.

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:52 PM

26. Let me explain

Trump is incompetent.

(wink)

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Response to George II (Reply #5)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 05:39 AM

29. Weak leadership leaves aid at port

https://m.

I hate video posts - but it's worth a watch.

The aid is there, but instead of letting Carmen Yulín Cruz (Mayor of San Juan) who is competent and capable take the lead and get all the stuff in those containers on the dock, then on a fueled truck, and out to the people in distress . . .

Trump is sitting around navel gazing.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:38 PM

6. Since we cut tax breaks to PR to bring

industry to the island and they have gone tits up and the Dotard himself declared bankruptcy he should once again been removed form any decision making for the country.

All the Wall st. cretins are trying to clean up on PR debt and yet this admin refuse to do anything humane, it is inconceivable. Not waiving the Act is gouging and going to kill people.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:39 PM

7. McCain, as a Navy man,

has always been against the Jones Act.

In this case I don't know why trump is against a waiver, unless it is to hold Puerto Rico for ransom to create a backlash to get rid of it completely and forever.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:43 PM

8. Puerto Rico has lots of debt owed to big friends of Trump.

It's schoolyard bullying on behalf of these individuals perpetrated by friends in high level government positions...

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Response to EarthFirst (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:50 PM

9. The beauty is

Trump can blame those evil unions.

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Response to EarthFirst (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:01 PM

19. Well they certainly are gonna pay back if they don't have a goddamn island with a population

 

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:54 PM

27. That is a big problem with any municipal debt

A group of people bind their city to a 30 year debt payback, and they move from the city, state, etc.

There's also a new kind of bond I've seen lately that I don't like. I've seen it mostly from California School Districts. The bond might be a 24 year bond that pays 0 % interest for the first six years and then pays a high interest rate (7.5 %) for the remainder of the 24 years. I've been messing with bonds for the last 30 years and I've only recently started to see these. I interpret it as let's borrow the money and we'll let the next school board start to pay it back.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:52 PM

10. The ports haven't even been fully open.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:59 PM

13. Hope some good people will step forward and support this wise, decent suggestion.

How long can US selfish interests love their profits made at the extreme expense of living, suffering, non-monstrous human beings?

Thank you, riversedge.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:02 PM

14. Could be a coincidence, I suppose,

but Elaine Chao's parents own a huge shipping company.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._C._Chao

She's Trump's Secretary of Transportation and Mitch McConnell's wife.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:08 PM

15. The Jones Act is a lot like fetishizing coal

 

It's defending an industry that barely exists and has zero growth potential from barely existent threats.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:23 PM

17. Bingo

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 16, 2017, 02:13 PM

34. Yes but they make huge campaign contributions

Guess which political party gets all their money?

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:16 PM

16. Appeal to his ego.

"Surely, Mr. President, your wise leadership on this issue outweighs the shipping industry."

Unless, of course, he's asked to be cut in or Putin wants PR disabled.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 08:49 PM

18. If it's good enough for Big Awl, it should be good enough for Puerto Rico

Bush, after all, waived the Jones Act in 2005, after Katrina, to allow foreign ships to transport oil and gas between domestic ports (crucial at a time when inflation was already at its highest since 1980).

I doubt too many Republicans objected back then.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:56 PM

21. OR

The cost is double what it was before the hurricane? That makes no sense. If cost is a concern, The captains of shipping could give Puerto Rico a discount so American workers in shipping could continue to work.

Well yeah, profits before people it won't happen but seriously.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:07 PM

22. For most Americans Puerto Rico is not part of our country

And the politicians will be responsible for the greatest humanitarian tragedy ( in the shortest amount of time) in the country's history. In eight short months we have gone from the country that cares about the world to the country that only cared about our richest citizens. I hope our representatives who are not trying to help, all ....

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:25 PM

23. Trump values dollars for rich friends over human lives.

He occasionally pretends otherwise but nobody believes him. Not even his supporters.

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Response to Kathy M (Reply #25)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 12:00 AM

28. I read it, sounds like BS to me

This wasn't even a question in previous disasters, they just waived it because all that mattered was getting supplies in by the fastest possible means. That's all that matters now.

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Response to riversedge (Original post)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 10:56 AM

30. It's the thought that counts, isn't it, Donald ? I think

you probably have a lot of good thoughts. And the country's all the better for those beautiful thoughts, even if they produce nomoran jack diddly.

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Response to Joe Chi Minh (Reply #30)

Thu Sep 28, 2017, 11:13 AM

31. Nice gesture, but it won't help.

It doesn't do any good to get more stuff there if there's no power for the cranes. Last I heard from friends in PR the airport was not fully fuctional and the only way to get people in and ourt was smaller planes to the Dominican Reublic. The US Army and Navy have the equipment to get things running again and should have been sent immediately. The reports I get is ships are sitting in port with no way to unload and many roads impassable. This is turning into a bigger mess than Katrina. Nobody in power gives a shit because they can't vote and if they could vote wouldn't vote for them. McLame is mererly getting his ego fed.

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Response to Scruffy1 (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 16, 2017, 12:17 PM

33. I was being ironical, Scruffy. Sarcastic even.

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