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Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:35 PM

Chelsea Manning says she was denied entry to Canada

Source: Reuters

Chelsea Manning was turned back at the Canadian-U.S. border because she was convicted of espionage for passing information to Wikileaks, the former U.S. intelligence analyst said on Monday.

Manning told Reuters via direct message on Twitter that she drove up to the Canadian border in Lacolle, Quebec, on Thursday evening, planning to vacation in Montreal and Vancouver.

She said she was stopped at the border and detained overnight before being handed a report stating she was inadmissible “on grounds of serious criminality,” according to a picture of the report she posted online.

The offenses Manning was convicted of under the U.S. Espionage Act “would equate to an indictable offence, namely Treason” if committed in Canada, the report reads.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-immigration-manning/chelsea-manning-says-she-was-denied-entry-to-canada-idUSKCN1C02OW

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Reply Chelsea Manning says she was denied entry to Canada (Original post)
Calista241 Sep 25 OP
WhiteTara Sep 25 #1
Honeycombe8 Sep 25 #2
WhiteTara Sep 25 #6
Honeycombe8 Sep 25 #7
jberryhill Sep 25 #16
Honeycombe8 Sep 25 #17
jberryhill Sep 25 #19
Honeycombe8 Sep 26 #40
jberryhill Sep 26 #41
Honeycombe8 Sep 26 #42
tblue37 Sep 25 #23
jberryhill Sep 25 #24
tblue37 Sep 26 #26
Honeycombe8 Sep 26 #39
Yo_Mama Sep 26 #43
jberryhill Sep 25 #3
FSogol Sep 25 #4
Hassin Bin Sober Sep 25 #10
riversedge Sep 25 #18
Hassin Bin Sober Sep 25 #20
riversedge Sep 25 #21
Sgent Sep 26 #28
susanna Sep 26 #30
crim son Sep 26 #33
EllieBC Sep 25 #11
Nay Sep 25 #13
jberryhill Sep 25 #14
Nay Sep 25 #15
Sgent Sep 26 #29
Nay Sep 26 #36
MrSmokeTooMuch Sep 26 #32
Not Ruth Sep 27 #54
Pope George Ringo II Sep 25 #5
Honeycombe8 Sep 25 #8
rpannier Sep 25 #9
NYC Liberal Sep 25 #12
rpannier Sep 25 #22
Skippy33 Sep 26 #34
melm00se Sep 26 #35
NYC Liberal Sep 26 #37
Eliot Rosewater Sep 26 #38
Marengo Sep 27 #44
Eliot Rosewater Sep 27 #45
Marengo Sep 27 #46
Eliot Rosewater Sep 27 #47
Marengo Sep 27 #48
Eliot Rosewater Sep 27 #49
Marengo Sep 27 #50
Eliot Rosewater Sep 27 #51
Marengo Sep 27 #52
Eliot Rosewater Sep 27 #53
Skippy33 Sep 27 #55
BobTheSubgenius Sep 25 #25
brooklynite Sep 26 #27
Lil Missy Sep 26 #31

Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:37 PM

1. You can't have been convicted of any crime

to cross the Canadian border.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:39 PM

2. +1. Also...just how much money does Manning have, to vacation out of country?nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:50 PM

6. Maybe she was betting on the exchange rate

I don't know what it is now, but at one time when I cared, it was .60 on the dollar.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:57 PM

7. Just wondering, since she was in prison a while, and wasn't rich before.

It's not exactly cheap to vacation out of the country.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:18 PM

16. It's cheaper to drive to Niagara Falls than Las Vegas for me


I suppose it depends on what sort of vacation you had in mind, and where you were located.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:19 PM

17. I wouldn't know. I've never gone on a vacation. nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:54 PM

19. "Drove up... planning to vacation in Montreal and Vancouver"


That part of the story is a little ridiculous anyway.

That's 46 hours of driving

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:24 PM

40. It is? Good catch! nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:39 PM

41. Amusingly, it is faster to drive through the US from Montreal to Vancouver


Google driving directions:

https://goo.gl/V4U7fX

So, yeah, if someone is entering Quebec from the US, saying they want to go to Vancouver, that's a little odd right there.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:13 PM

42. +1. Thx for the geography lesson! I should know this! nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:00 PM

23. She has supporters, and she also probably is paid for speeches and appearances. nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:12 PM

24. Was she planning on getting paid to appear in Canada?

Because that would be another kettle of fish.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:24 AM

26. I have no idea. I was just responding to the question of how she has money to

vacation in Canada.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #23)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:23 PM

39. I see. I was just curious how other people get money w/o a regular job.

I always had to have a regular job, so I like to pay attention for tips on how to make money and things like that.

But I doubt anyone will pay me for speeches and appearances.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:06 PM

43. Even a DUI will keep you out.

I kind of sympathize with the Canadians on that one - they can hardly want a bunch of drunken Americans on their roads.

But that's the reality - no, she will not be allowed into Canada.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:39 PM

3. If you've been convicted of a felony in the US, you will be denied entry to Canada

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:45 PM

4. A friend on mine was denied entrance into Canada because of a 15 year old DWI

conviction.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:11 PM

10. Same with my brother in law

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:45 PM

18. My brother had a dwi-about 10 years ago. He just left his license at home, and presented his

Passport. He was not driving. They let him in.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:00 PM

20. I don't know the particulars. His was only a few years old.

I'm not sure if it was a trigger from a computer or he answered a question.

My BIL was attending g a poker tournament and was turned away at the border for the DUI.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:02 PM

21. Mine was on a fishing trip and flew in to a small airport-where they went through customs.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:29 AM

28. If you have a DUI

over 5 years old, you can get in, but you have to apply for a visa before you go -- rather than just give a passport at the border.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:32 AM

30. Canada is seriously harsh on DUI/DWI...always have been. n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:26 AM

33. Yep.

I have to show my Canadian birth certificate to ensure I am permitted to cross the border, because of my 10-year-old DUI.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:22 PM

11. I think it works the other way too.

Canadians with convictions aren't allowed into the US.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:47 PM

13. Correct. However, in the felony case and the DUI case, you can apply for an

adjudication by a Canadian immigration judge and see if the entry denial can be overturned due to circumstances (for example, if it's been many years since conviction and you've kept your nose clean since then.)

The kicker is that right now, applying and getting the result of an adjudication takes almost a year. If you want to visit Canada in late 2018, send it in now.

That was the deal a few months ago when I checked for a relative who wanted to go to Canada with us on vacation.

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Response to Nay (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:03 PM

14. Yes. Did Manning apply for one?


The procedure is linked to the page I posted.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 08:10 PM

15. Yes, that's the procedure I looked at for my relative. I looked at the denial letter

sent to Manning; to me, it looks like the letter you would get as an explanation of why you were physically turned back at the border, as she was. This denial letter doesn't seem to refer to any application attempt. And, as I mentioned, the wait is about a year to process an adjudication request. It seems to be a big deal. Glad I don't have to go through it.

I took a second look at the link -- she would have to wait 5 years after the completion of her sentence to even apply to be admitted. I wonder if the fact that she was pardoned would have any effect on her admittance, or allow her to apply earlier than the 5 years?



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Response to Nay (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:30 AM

29. She wasn't pardoned

her sentence was commuted.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:18 AM

36. Ah, gotcha. Nope, she ain't getting into Canada without an adjudication.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 05:30 AM

32. I'm taking a trip to the USA soon

In a week, actually. I'm driving down to take in the scenery and see some new country. Also, I hate to fly!
I have a possession of a narcotic conviction from 1976 on my record but I'm going to take my chances.
I've been to Europe four times and the issue was never brought up. But recently I have been told that the United States of America, the most free country on the planet, frowns upon people like me... retired old farts who once upon a time had a used hash pipe in their denim jacket pocket while REO Speedwagon rolled with the changes on the car's 8-track.
Yes... I am coming to your country to corrupt your youth! Mwah-ha-ha-ha!!! The long game!
Could be a short trip.

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Response to MrSmokeTooMuch (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:01 PM

54. If they Google your screen name, it is over

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:48 PM

5. Even if she's one of your heroes

She became that by paying the price to do what she thought was right. This is part of that price. It's unfortunate, but she knew the package deal she was buying when she started that ball rolling.

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Response to Pope George Ringo II (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 06:59 PM

8. Well, it's not personal. It's that way for everyone going there. nt

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:07 PM

9. Canadian Law is pretty clear on that

Convicted of felony means you cannot get in
Same with Japan

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Response to rpannier (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 07:26 PM

12. And even if it werent a specific law...

if you’re not a citizen of a country, you don’t have any inherent right to enter it.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:57 PM

22. +1000

Yep

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:48 AM

34. Wait a sec..

 

I respectfully disagree. I believe that many people fleeing poverty, crime, or, who are seeking their family, have an inherent right to enter a country. Just look at our southern border for proof.

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Response to Skippy33 (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:45 AM

35. Few, if any countries,

operate under the Marxist interpretation of borders.

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Response to Skippy33 (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 11:27 AM

37. No, not an inherent right. But that doesnt mean it isnt the RIGHT thing to do - it is.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:23 PM

38. I will tell you what no human has the "right" to do, inherently, morally nor should it be

legally and that is own a piece of earth/dirt and not allow the human race to ever walk on that dirt.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:27 AM

44. I shouldn't have the right to prevent anyone from entering my property?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:53 AM

45. In what world is a person allowed to own dirt, a part of earth?

or corp, etc.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #45)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:07 PM

46. Answer my question with yes or no please.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #46)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:13 PM

47. I asked you a simple question, what sense does it make for a rich

person to be able to own a part of earth and forbid us from every stepping foot on it?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #47)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:20 PM

48. I'm not a "rich person", I own 1 home on a small lot. Should I not be allowed to prevent anyone...

From "stepping foot" on it? Please answer with a yes or no.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #48)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:22 PM

49. Has nothing to do with rich, I was taying to make a point.

What is preventing a rich person from buying and owning Waikiki Beach once the GOP changes the laws and allows such a thing?

They then charge you for admission to the property, does that make sense to you?

You are asking me a question that doesn't need answering. Any person who occupies a space and pays a rent, like for an apartment, has a right to prevent unauthorized access, which has NOTHING to do with owning dirt.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #49)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:37 PM

50. Who owns the space I occupy?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #50)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:39 PM

51. You rent it, you dont own it.

For a temporary amount of time you have the right to control who is on the property.

I dont know why people are so hesitant to admit to me that they AGREE with me that if the teaparty idiots got their way, eliminated ALL government basically and allowed corps or individuals to buy Yellowstone, Yosemite, Waikiki Beach, etc, that this would be bad.

So

a. admit that is something you dont want to see happen

b. then admit that allowing anyone to own EARTH is absurd

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #51)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:43 PM

52. I don't legally own my property, to include the "earth", within it's boundaries?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 12:46 PM

53. What?

Why dont you acknowledge what I said, that you agree with it?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 27, 2017, 05:11 PM

55. If it's the right thing to do

 

Why would it not be inherent? Who gets to decide? If it's not an inherent right for immigrants to enter our southern border, would you be of the mind that they entered illegally?

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:15 PM

25. Being pardoned of a criminal conviction won't get you into the US.

It will, however, allow you to apply to DHS for a waiver. A pricey endeavour, and by NO means guaranteed.

Even said waiver is no guarantee; a border guard has a shocking amount of discretion and power. They can deny you entry if they don't like your face. My conversation with a border guard a couple of years ago:

"Where is it you'd like to go in the US?"

"I'm going down to Sea-Tac to pick up my wife."

"You mean that's where you'd LIKE to go."

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:29 AM

27. Manning wasn't pardoned...her sentence was commuted.

She stands guilty as charged.

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Response to Calista241 (Original post)

Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:08 AM

31. That's the law. Even if some think of her as a hero. She was convicted of espionage, fairly so.

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