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Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:44 PM

Conservative Democrat Open to Single-Payer Health-Care System

Source: Bloomberg

The Senate’s most conservative Democrat said Tuesday Congress should consider adopting a single-payer health-care system, a sign of how fast politics are shifting on what was once seen as a fringe issue on the left.

"It should be explored," said West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, who faces re-election next year in a state President Donald Trump carried by 42 points. "I want to know what happens in all the countries that have it -- how well it works or the challenges they have."

Manchin, who was considered by Trump for a cabinet post, said he hopes the legislation will be considered by a congressional committee. He added that he’s not ready to sign onto the Medicare-for-all proposed by Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, runner-up for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

Read more: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-12/conservative-democrat-open-to-single-payer-health-care-system

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 03:55 PM

1. "I want to know what happens in all the countries that have it --

how well it works or the challenges they have."

Jesus, you stupid fuck. Everybody else knows! Why don't you?

Do you actually know how to wipe your ass?
No. You probably wipe it with your hand and then wipe your hand off with the toilet paper.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:11 PM

4. Now that your rant is over...

...is it your opinion that it works perfectly in every other Country? Or that only Bernie's version is acceptable, so no additional analysis is needed?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:54 PM

10. What specifically leads you to believe the poster may hold the sentiment

What specifically leads you to believe the poster may hold the sentiment, "your opinion that it works perfectly in every other Country..."?

Further, why the limitation of, and interpretive reduction to, only the two A or B possibilities you yourself listed (as directly implied by the "or" qualifier)?

As his response did not lead directly or indirectly to either conclusion...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:07 PM

11. Parse his words more closely before rejecting someone open to rethinking what may

be long held views against single payer. It also is prudent to look at the various systems worldwide. They are not identical and it would be foolish to ignore their decades of experience. Not to mention, we should not be like the Republicans - trying to push through something written without all the resources of the HELP committee, which Bernie is on, and the Finance committee -- not to mention the CBO etc.

PS Bernie Sanders had the Danish ambassador to the US, who he met in DC, as his guest about 3 or 4 years ago at a Burlington VT town hall to speak of the Danish experience with their system. Would you argue that he too was wasting time listening to - and having some of his constituents listen to someone from another country?

If the reaction of people like you is to attack people tentatively moving toward your position, are you being helpful? I assume that Bernie's reaction might be very different - such as setting up hearings on various single payer plans in operation. If the Republican led committee does not allow this, he could STILL have informational discussions hosted by left leaning think tanks, universities or maybe even Medical schools.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:06 PM

3. "It should be explored," said West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, who faces re-election next year

... "who faces re-election next year" ...

... this is Joe "My Daughter's A Ghoul" Manchin, so the year-after-next he changes back to his mangy, rabid blue dog persona ...

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Response to Jopin Klobe (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:23 PM

6. if he was up for re-election

but wanted to explore single-payer, he would likely NOT bring up the issue now - he'd quietly do it after the election.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:13 PM

12. or his state, one of the unhealthiest and poorest in the nation, might like

the exact very nuanced position he took. Remember even Trump tried to imply in 2016 that his goal was cheaper, better insurance for all -- and single payer is a way to get there. I do not think their are big insurance companies in WV.

Here, he is simply open to looking at alternatives and calling for a real look at the other countries. Remember in RW media, everyone in Canada and the UK HATE the system. Now, I have friends in both places, not one would trade for our mess of a system - not pre ACA, not ACA before Republican sabatoge, not ACA now.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:29 PM

13. True

I doubt any other "first world" countries would trade their healthcare system for ours. That said, every system has some problems, even the best ones. And, I suspect that in any sort of Congressional hearing on healthcare in Canada, the UK, Germany, etc, the Republicans in the hearing will attempt to blow up the flaws and downplay the advantages.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:19 PM

5. Having 45 as president is bringing out the adult in most

Congress critters. Nice.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 04:23 PM

7. The worst of our party are still better than the best of theirs

on issues like this

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Sep 12, 2017, 09:26 PM

8. Remember how quickly things turned around on . . .

Marriage equality and recreational cannabis?

Are we on our way to a three-peat?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:32 PM

9. So what is he doing to find out?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:40 PM

14. That's a start. A pretty big start. That blue dogs are even entertaining the idea. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 03:46 PM

15. Wow, could the USA join the "20th" century, sometime in

the 21st century?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Sep 13, 2017, 09:19 PM

16. Good to hear.

Thanks for listening, Senator Manchin.

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