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(46,301 posts)
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 08:53 PM Sep 2017

Police officer who arrested Utah nurse fired from medic job

Source: WBAY-TV, ABC affiliate in Green Bay, WI

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A Utah police officer caught on video roughly arresting a nurse who refused a patient blood draw has been fired from his part-time paramedic job.

The ambulance company president says Tuesday that Detective Jeff Payne's termination came after Payne said on video that he'd bring transient patients to the hospital to retaliate against nurse Alex Wubbels, who was following hospital policy.

Gold Cross Ambulance President Mike Moffitt says Payne's remarks were very concerning and don't reflect how the company treats people.


Read more: http://www.wbay.com/content/news/Police-officer-who-arrested-Utah-nurse-fired-from-medic-job-442803523.html



What...an...asshole!
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Police officer who arrested Utah nurse fired from medic job (Original Post) Archae Sep 2017 OP
I'd keep a watch on that guy...he could go vigilante on this. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #1
Yes, he seems very vindictive. riversedge Sep 2017 #2
He's fired from his ambulance company job, but he's still got his cop job, for now. procon Sep 2017 #3
Payne will not loose his job. Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #4
Not Utah as much as Salt Lake City... one of the more progressive cities in the country. Tiggeroshii Sep 2017 #10
That is what is so surprising. Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #12
Big city cops generally act that way anyways Tiggeroshii Sep 2017 #21
Salt Lake has a real image issue going. Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #22
We should not underestimate Nursing Association Groups. FarPoint Sep 2017 #24
In most Cities yes, Wellstone ruled Sep 2017 #25
That cop has a screw loose. It makes no sense how he resents the nurse. Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #5
Sociopath nt wolfie001 Sep 2017 #6
thats how many are trained to act. drray23 Sep 2017 #8
That hasn't been my experience. And the other cops there weren't that way. Just him. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #13
They stood by, allowing it to happen left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #16
So did the hospital staff, and the supervisor on the phone. Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #18
training has shifted in the last few decades. drray23 Sep 2017 #17
It might be comforting to think that... Baconator Sep 2017 #19
well i should have qualified that this is true for white people. drray23 Sep 2017 #20
Yep, with cell phone videos we now know how POCs were beaten and killed back in the day... brush Sep 2017 #26
Steroid case. Mr.Bill Sep 2017 #7
And yet transients.... zentrum Sep 2017 #9
wow a very bluestarone Sep 2017 #11
Payne shouldn't even be allowed to carry a gun elmac Sep 2017 #14
I really hope she files a civil suit. nt tomp Sep 2017 #15
Prooobably shouldn't have mentioned patient discrimination while being recorded. Bright. n/t Akoto Sep 2017 #23

procon

(15,805 posts)
3. He's fired from his ambulance company job, but he's still got his cop job, for now.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:02 PM
Sep 2017
Meanwhile, Payne has been placed on administrative leave by the Salt Lake Police Department, pending an internal investigation and another probe by the city’s civilian review board. Also, Salt Lake County’s Unified Police Department has opened a criminal investigation at the request of Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/05/slc-detective-involved-in-nurses-arrest-is-fired-from-his-part-time-paramedic-job/

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
4. Payne will not loose his job.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:34 PM
Sep 2017

You are talking about Utah,and in Utah,all women are considered second class persons. Payne will receive a letter of reprimand and most likely a lateral promotion with a raise. Bad Cops do not go away in Utah,they are moved to another City of given a County Sheriff's Deputy job. The ones who lost their jobs committed Felon Offenses that could not be Changed to a misdemeanor and those few cases ended up in Jail.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. That is what is so surprising.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:50 PM
Sep 2017

Democratic Mayor,some what Liberal Counsel,but a Police Department that is run like a second rate operation. Scandal after scandal,and nothing changes. Yes,Sam Gil a Democrat,will do his so called investigation and leave it up to Salt Lake City Manager to make the decision. Same Crap just another day in Utah.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
21. Big city cops generally act that way anyways
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 01:19 AM
Sep 2017

LA.. New York... Chicago. All liberal towns with less than perfect PDs

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
22. Salt Lake has a real image issue going.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 02:34 AM
Sep 2017

That Police Department seems totally out of control. So many botched investigations,officer misconduct up the ying yang. Bullies with a badge.

FarPoint

(12,293 posts)
24. We should not underestimate Nursing Association Groups.
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 06:52 AM
Sep 2017

I sense Nursing will be a huge torn in the side of LEO and how this all plays out.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
25. In most Cities yes,
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:02 PM
Sep 2017

not in Salt Lake City. There will be a counseling session with someone from the Police Department PR Department and some one from the Hospital and a statement read to the so called Media.

Utah as a whole,suffers from a major Cultural issue and that is Women are considered second class persons and until that changes,there will be more incidents similiar to this.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
5. That cop has a screw loose. It makes no sense how he resents the nurse.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 09:46 PM
Sep 2017

All she did was calmly explain to him, and show him, the hospital policy that the P.D. agreed to with the hospital. She even called her supervisor to verify! She didn't have an attitude. She acted professionally. She was just the messenger.

He's got a screw loose.

drray23

(7,619 posts)
8. thats how many are trained to act.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:25 PM
Sep 2017

They are supposed to take control of the situation at all costs. This usually means they dont listen to a damm thing you say until you submit first.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. So did the hospital staff, and the supervisor on the phone.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:31 PM
Sep 2017

I think everyone was caught off guard & didn't know what to do. One cop does try to take the nutso cop's arm away from the nurse. And once they got a supervisor cop on the phone, the nutso was ordered to release her.

So it was just him.

drray23

(7,619 posts)
17. training has shifted in the last few decades.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:23 PM
Sep 2017

Used to be, you had police connected to their beat, their neighborhood. They could defuse a situation without having to slam anybody, tase them or shoot them. Now, the emphasis is on compliance and military style training.

If you dont immediatly comply, or worse you have a medical issue or are mentally unstable, you can potentially get shot.

Its a well documented problem. Here is one article on the subject and you can find many.

https://www.apmreports.org/story/2017/05/05/police-de-escalation-training

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
19. It might be comforting to think that...
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:42 PM
Sep 2017

... but some of the stuff that old time cops got up to back in the day?

Holy shit...

drray23

(7,619 posts)
20. well i should have qualified that this is true for white people.
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 11:45 PM
Sep 2017

If you were not, you would have been treated badly and still are.

brush

(53,743 posts)
26. Yep, with cell phone videos we now know how POCs were beaten and killed back in the day...
Wed Sep 6, 2017, 12:15 PM
Sep 2017

without it ever being recorded or reported.

It's sickening to even try to calculated how many innocent black men where killed by racist cops though the decades, and still are.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
9. And yet transients....
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:39 PM
Sep 2017

....do deserve care and are vastly under served. Does this also mean that without this wish to "punish" her, transients are usually left lying the street by him?

He sounds like a Trumpster--free to punish, or even leave to die, human beings, in order to get personal satisfaction.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
14. Payne shouldn't even be allowed to carry a gun
Tue Sep 5, 2017, 10:54 PM
Sep 2017

let alone be a police officer. He as anger issues, is immature and a is a poor example of a human being.

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