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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:50 AM

US has been conducting back-channel talks with North Korea for months

Source: ABC News

Despite the bombastic rhetoric exchanged between North Korean and American leaders this week, the Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back-channel diplomacy with North Korea for several months, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

The ongoing talks, which were first reported by The Associated Press, included discussions about U.S.-North Korean relations and Americans imprisoned in North Korea, the source said.
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Trump and Secretary of Defense James Mattis have both used strong language pertaining to North Korea's threats. But Mattis said Thursday that the American effort was "diplomatically led."

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"However, right now Secretary [of State Rex] Tillerson and [United Nations] Ambassador [Nikki] Haley, you can see the American effort is diplomatically led, it has diplomatic traction it is gaining diplomatic results, and I want to stay right here, right now. The tragedy of war is well known. It would be catastrophic."






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Juliusseizure Aug 12 OP
J_William_Ryan Aug 12 #1
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Juliusseizure Aug 12 #12

Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 03:54 AM

1. And

the idiot Trump is undermining those diplomatic efforts.

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:20 AM

2. Trump wants his 911 now!!!

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 04:46 AM

3. Diversion for dummies.

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 06:19 AM

4. Trump anticipates deal, acts tough to claim his toughness was the cause

Then he looks like a strong leader whose strength produced the diplomatic resolution.

How can NK be assured we won't attack them? If a way is found so NK feels safe then they could stop development of nukes.

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:28 AM

5. Bullshit

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:49 AM

6. Clinton's NK negotiator said there are no NK negotiations ar all right now.

He said this,on the NY Times podcast Thurs.
More trump administration lies.

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 07:59 AM

7. Really, it's all theater

"Kim, buddy, I need some juice in the polls, can we banty this back and forth in public awhile??"

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 08:03 AM

8. Yeah, right.

And, I'm the Queen of Sheba. Nikki Haley was my governor. She's full of shit, l already know not to believe a word that comes out of her yap, and I don't trust any of the others any more than I do her.

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 08:31 AM

9. Bullshit news

I don't believe they talk about anything but hostages and kimchi. Nikki doesn't have a clue, to them it's all about meet and greet with little substance in policy.

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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 09:05 AM

10. Fine and dandy if true...

But NK has a habit of talking for months and then giving multiple US administrations the middle finger so to speak. Primarily because they don't trust us as far as they could throw us and who could blame them given the current administration. Kim and company are evil bastards, no doubt, but they're not stupid.

Our only leverage was the possibility of a preemptive strike and regime change, but China has checked that move by their recent statement that they will not allow the NK government to fall. So now, not only would the blow back from our primary point of leverage be the destruction of much of South Korea, but an armed confrontation between nuclear armed powers and even this administration isn't going there...period. It's a real poke in 45's eye, and I've not yet heard the administration respond to this very serious complication.

Tillerson's only leverage now is to try and buy them off with China's help. Good luck with that. China is angling to grab the credit for ending NK's nuclear program and deescalating the situation, while 45 looks like the buffoon he is. A huge step up for China's prestige on the world stage, and at our expense. The only idiots who will believe 45 had anything to do with it are his nut job base, but they'd believe any bullshit spooned out to them anyways.

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Sat Aug 12, 2017, 09:49 AM

11. Trump even acknowledged this the other day...

In one of his vacation pressers...

He said something to the effect - "Yeah diplomacy is happening - but we dont want to talk about that...we want to talk about (war)"

That's not an exact quote - but it was something like that...

Sometimes his mouth runs so much - he accidentally lets the cat out of the bag.

They are definitely working the "theatre" angle.

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Response to Juliusseizure (Original post)

Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:04 PM

12. Sec. of Defense is the source - widely publicized

I'm sure Trump is lying on some major level yet unknown, maybe the intelligence assessment is purposely exaggerated (Maddow's suspicion), there may be Russians involved in NK talks, colluding with Trump...I assume there's something nefarious going on for Trump's benefit.

But this article seems potentially credible to me. It is widely publicized by major news agencies and I'm not aware of a reason not to believe Mattis, who's continually acted independent of Trump.

He was just noting a narrow diplomatic channel exists and some efforts are underway. I don't see how that's a slam dunk lie, and there's no facts refuting it I'm aware of. I'm not sure how a former Clinton official would know what's going on - who's their source?

Haley, in her UN role, has also contradicted Trump numerous times and the UN just passed NK sanctions unanimously. She obviously had a role in that.

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