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herding cats

(19,558 posts)
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:36 PM Jul 2017

Agriculture officials say a rarely seen form of mad cow disease has been found in Alabama.

Source: Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Agriculture officials say a rarely seen form of mad cow disease has been found in Alabama.

A statement from state Agriculture Commissioner John McMillan says atypical bovine spongiform encephalopathy was confirmed in an 11-year-old beef cow.

The U.S. Agriculture Department says this only the fifth case of the atypical form of the disease being confirmed in the United States.

McMillan says the animal was discovered during routine screening at a livestock market. The cow wasn’t slaughtered and its meat didn’t enter the food chain.

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Agriculture officials say a rarely seen form of mad cow disease has been found in Alabama. (Original Post) herding cats Jul 2017 OP
Doubleplusungood. Achilleaze Jul 2017 #1
Resisting.... making.... Trump... supporter... joke. NT Adrahil Jul 2017 #2
mixing Alabama's mass deer deaths into the cattle feed as 'protein'? what kind of prion disease & Sunlei Jul 2017 #3
Did you ever notice that much of our food chain is dependent... Girard442 Jul 2017 #4
yes, and it ruins ice cream when you try to boil out the factory contaminates! Sunlei Jul 2017 #10
Yup jpak Jul 2017 #17
Mad cow was why I quit eating beef in the early 90s. Coventina Jul 2017 #5
THAT disease is already infected the Whitehouse !! flying-skeleton Jul 2017 #6
First thing I thought when reading the title to this thread was Doitnow Jul 2017 #9
USDA has an extensive screening program for cattle marylandblue Jul 2017 #7
sure slaughterhouses are very careful not to spatter a speck of nervous system on the meat we eat Sunlei Jul 2017 #12
Didn't say it was perfect marylandblue Jul 2017 #24
prion diseases take a long time to show up in humans.I don't trust our USA slaughter Corp. at all. Sunlei Jul 2017 #25
I've seen goat and lambs brains in ethnic groceries... LeftInTX Jul 2017 #14
Terra, terra. Sigh. Igel Jul 2017 #8
not that many 11 yr old cows, except breeders and dairy cattle and 12+deer/elk/moose and 50+humans Sunlei Jul 2017 #13
ALl I can say is that it expains alot about Alabama Cryptoad Jul 2017 #11
Trump Steaks? mackdaddy Jul 2017 #15
Ah yes, the Trump Steak jmowreader Jul 2017 #23
The scariest thing that ever happened to me...my first thought was 'mad cow disease' angstlessk Jul 2017 #16
This is a cause for concern. saidsimplesimon Jul 2017 #18
Did you know Lokilooney Jul 2017 #19
It all started at the White House as this strain of mad cow disease infects Trump and his staff! machoneman Jul 2017 #20
Not good; my daughter lives there. raven mad Jul 2017 #21
Is it bad I thought this was a joke about Jeff sessions? Egnever Jul 2017 #22
Good thing Sam Clovis not fooled Jul 2017 #26

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. mixing Alabama's mass deer deaths into the cattle feed as 'protein'? what kind of prion disease &
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jul 2017

what about the rest of the herd of 11 year OLD breeding cows? They in our hamburger supply? routine screening huh?




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Girard442

(6,066 posts)
4. Did you ever notice that much of our food chain is dependent...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jul 2017

...on the principle that heat kills contagion?

Heat doesn't destroy prions.

Coventina

(27,064 posts)
5. Mad cow was why I quit eating beef in the early 90s.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jul 2017

Once I quit eating beef, it wasn't long before I quit eating the rest of my furry friends.

I've never regretted my decision, not for one second!

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
9. First thing I thought when reading the title to this thread was
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jul 2017

maybe that's what's wrong in the White House.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
7. USDA has an extensive screening program for cattle
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jul 2017

if they show signs of neurological illness. Also, brain and spinal cord, where the prions live, must be removed deom the cattle before meat processing. Fortunately, Trump is not cutting the budget for the parts of USDA that work on food inspection and animal health.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. sure slaughterhouses are very careful not to spatter a speck of nervous system on the meat we eat
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jul 2017

and they would never drag a downer cow out of the shipping trailers and all the old dairy cattle never get around those chronic wasting diseased plague filled deer/elk/moose found in 45 states across America.

and the slaughterhouse slop, brains & cords are never mixed into animal feed render, never would a slaughterhouse do that.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
24. Didn't say it was perfect
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jul 2017

But there is a system in place and it has managed to keep mad cow disease out of your brain for decades.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. prion diseases take a long time to show up in humans.I don't trust our USA slaughter Corp. at all.
Thu Jul 20, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jul 2017

or the meat traceability, or labeling, or pet food Corps.

LeftInTX

(25,140 posts)
14. I've seen goat and lambs brains in ethnic groceries...
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:33 PM
Jul 2017

also I think some barbacoa around here is still cow's brains. (Although it is becoming rare)
I also see whole pigs heads around here at Christmas time.

Igel

(35,275 posts)
8. Terra, terra. Sigh.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jul 2017

Okay.

Atypical BSE's original is still a bit fuzzy. Unclear how it's transmitted, at least as of 2006, but there were two types of atypical BSE (BASE or BSE-L and BSE-H). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291375/ Note that the Western blot pattern is different between aBSE and BSE, meaning that the underlying infectious agents are distinct. Given the quantity of BSE testing that occurred, BSE freely converted to aBSE strains we can expect that this would have been found.

But BASE can be transmitted to mice, at least transgenic mice of some sort, at an infection rate higher than BSE. So it can be transmitted. But that doesn't help figure out where, exactly, it's coming from. http://jvi.asm.org/content/82/7/3697.full. At least tentative research in 2008 said this.

The incidence is low, and that makes study difficult. This is the US's 5th case. Other countries have had more.


So then there's the question of whether deer CWD = BSE of some form.

http://jvi.asm.org/content/early/2015/07/03/JVI.01439-15 says that cat CWD can be transmitted in some form to humans to form something that sounds like BASE, one of the two atypical BSE types.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2015/06/researchers-make-surprising-discovery-about-spread-of-chronic-wasting-disease/#.WW-fYjFK3hA, not my most trusted source to be sure, claims deer CWD and BSE are different. But what about BASE?

Otherwise can't find much on deer CWD/human transmission. It's likely deer CWD =/= BSE, Food Safety News being irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Given the transmission rates of BASE to mice, if ground up CWD-infected carcasses were being fed to cows and transmission was likely, we'd expect to see a whole lot more BASE.

I'm cautious, not outraged or terror-stricken, but will certainly keep tuned for any actual information that doesn't just aim to provoke outrage.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. not that many 11 yr old cows, except breeders and dairy cattle and 12+deer/elk/moose and 50+humans
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jul 2017

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
11. ALl I can say is that it expains alot about Alabama
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jul 2017

I have always said there was a brain rot disease on lose in Alabama

jmowreader

(50,529 posts)
23. Ah yes, the Trump Steak
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 11:55 PM
Jul 2017

They're USDA Cutter Grade. The best there is. Would I lie to you? For the true Trump experience, cook it until it's hard enough to drive in a framing nail and soak it in ketchup.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
16. The scariest thing that ever happened to me...my first thought was 'mad cow disease'
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jul 2017

I was suffering pain, and I was taking ibuprofen, aspirin, and what was touted as my friends muscle relaxer...

I have had 'ocular migraines' for years, and this day I had one. Then I had a seizure..they called the ambulance, and when I tried to put my arm into my jacket it (my arm) went skyward...when I tried to walk down the stairs my leg went up...my friend told the ambulance people to put me on a stretcher to convey me, and they seemed unhappy about that.

Got to the hospital, of which I have very little remembrance, except when I began to shiver and was asked what was happening...don't remember much after.

Was told to see a neurosurgeon...but when I contacted him was told I needed a referral...seems emergency docs were not enough...never saw one.

Next weekend I went to the emergency to claim I was having an appendix problem...turned out I had a gall stone the size of a golf ball.

Got operated on...and years of pain (since I was 17) was behind me...

BUT I still thought the seizure was mad cow disease...and my next 'ocular migraine' I insisted to go outside on the lawn...why???

Have had 20 or so 'ocular migraines' since without any other effects

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
18. This is a cause for concern.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jul 2017

Why did some countries ban American beef?

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Lokilooney

(322 posts)
19. Did you know
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jul 2017

A whopping 4 people have died in total from Mad cow disease in the US? Yikes! Now if you would excuse me I'm going to to eat some bagged spinach...

machoneman

(3,999 posts)
20. It all started at the White House as this strain of mad cow disease infects Trump and his staff!
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 05:32 PM
Jul 2017

No foolin'!

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
21. Not good; my daughter lives there.
Wed Jul 19, 2017, 09:17 PM
Jul 2017

But it my be confined to the Governor's Mansion and the State House...........

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