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Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:02 AM

 

Elon Musk Says Artificial Intelligence Is the Greatest Risk We Face as a Civilization

Source: Fortune

David Z. Morris
Jul 15, 2017

Appearing before a meeting of the National Governor’s Association on Saturday, Tesla CEO Elon Musk described artificial intelligence as “the greatest risk we face as a civilization” and called for swift and decisive government intervention to oversee the technology’s development.

“On the artificial intelligence front, I have access to the very most cutting edge AI, and I think people should be really concerned about it,” an unusually subdued Musk said in a question and answer session with Nevada governor Brian Sandoval.

Musk has long been vocal about the risks of AI. But his statements before the nation’s governors were notable both for their dire severity, and his forceful call for government intervention.

“AI’s a rare case where we need to be proactive in regulation, instead of reactive. Because by the time we are reactive with AI regulation, it’s too late," he remarked. Musk then drew a contrast between AI and traditional targets for regulation, saying “AI is a fundamental risk to the existence of human civilization, in a way that car accidents, airplane crashes, faulty drugs, or bad food were not.”

Those are strong words from a man occasionally associated with so-called cyberlibertarianism, a fervently anti-regulation ideology exemplified by the likes of Peter Thiel, who co-founded Paypal with Musk.

Read more: http://fortune.com/2017/07/15/elon-musk-artificial-intelligence-2/



That last line speaks volumes: if a guy so fiercely opposed to government regs is now CALLING FOR them...!

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Reply Elon Musk Says Artificial Intelligence Is the Greatest Risk We Face as a Civilization (Original post)
Doug the Dem Jul 16 OP
Matthew28 Jul 16 #1
pansypoo53219 Jul 16 #2
Spider Jerusalem Jul 16 #3
JI7 Jul 16 #4
mahina Jul 16 #15
hatrack Jul 16 #36
mahina Jul 16 #37
hatrack Jul 16 #38
ck4829 Jul 16 #5
Soxfan58 Jul 16 #6
Duppers Jul 16 #7
Dave Starsky Jul 16 #19
Blues Heron Jul 16 #8
JI7 Jul 16 #10
LudwigPastorius Jul 16 #43
truthisfreedom Jul 16 #9
JI7 Jul 16 #11
killbotfactory Jul 16 #16
Ruby the Liberal Jul 16 #24
Duppers Jul 16 #13
Pachamama Jul 16 #12
dalton99a Jul 16 #14
jimmil Jul 16 #17
PSPS Jul 16 #18
thucythucy Jul 16 #20
Duppers Jul 16 #21
Gore1FL Jul 16 #22
AllaN01Bear Jul 16 #23
Sunlei Jul 16 #25
yallerdawg Jul 16 #26
SweetieD Jul 16 #50
MurrayDelph Jul 16 #27
Nitram Jul 16 #28
mn9driver Jul 16 #29
mn9driver Jul 16 #30
Stryst Jul 16 #31
Binkie The Clown Jul 16 #32
ucrdem Jul 16 #33
gilbert sullivan Jul 16 #34
hunter Jul 16 #35
yallerdawg Jul 17 #52
6000eliot Jul 16 #39
andym Jul 16 #40
hunter Jul 16 #42
Turbineguy Jul 16 #41
mdbl Jul 16 #44
Kablooie Jul 16 #45
Owl Jul 16 #46
Shandris Jul 16 #47
pablo_marmol Jul 16 #48
SweetieD Jul 16 #49
defacto7 Jul 17 #51

Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:05 AM

1. Religion fascism and the republican party is far greater threat

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:12 AM

2. dr who had a show about this earlier this year. BE HAPPY!

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:29 AM

3. Elon Musk clearly hasn't been paying attention to what's going on with climate change (n/t)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 04:58 AM

4. yup, climate change

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:33 AM

15. My 12 year old nephew explained that the s series is meant to fund the next car, a 10-15K

Last edited Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:07 PM - Edit history (1)

Vehicle for the Indian and Chinese markets. The goal is to cut the rate of increase of Co2.


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Response to mahina (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:55 PM

36. Right, we'll cut CO2 by making sure that everybody in China and India . . .

Wait, what?

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Response to hatrack (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:06 PM

37. Obviously that's not what I said.

I thought I blocked you years ago.

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Response to mahina (Reply #37)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:37 PM

38. Well, I guess you thought wrong . . .

Nice edit, btw. Bless your heart!

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:47 AM

5. Especially with Natural Intelligence being as low as it is these days

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 05:48 AM

6. How about

Lack of intelligence in the Oval Office.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 06:06 AM

7. Nope

He has not read nearly enough about *Global Warming*.


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Response to Duppers (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:39 AM

19. He's very well aware of climate change.

I believe he sees the rapid advance of AI to be a greater threat. He may be right about that.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:01 AM

8. Can't they just unplug it if it gets too unruly?

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:19 AM

10. No. Because we won't be able to tell between AI and Humans

On just regular outer appearance.

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Response to Blues Heron (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:58 PM

43. There's a book you should read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superintelligence:_Paths,_Dangers,_Strategies

It'll scare the crap out of you.

The upshot is that, once a human-level intelligent computer is made and given the ability to modify its own programming, the amount of time it might take for that machine to achieve superintelligence could be so fast that we'd have no way of stopping it. (Think of the analogy of a nuclear chain reaction.)

The author weighs different proposed strategies to control a superintelligent AI, but no one's come up with one that would really work yet.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:06 AM

9. Ignore Elon at our own peril

The man is a genius.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:21 AM

11. Has he talked of global warming ? People can be a genius in certain areas

But not outside of it. Like ben carson.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:36 AM

16. He started an electric car company to get us off fossil fuels

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:44 AM

24. He founded Tesla

Musk is at the forefront of getting us off of fossil fuels.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:06 AM

13. The same has been said about Stephen Hawking.

And he says we should be colonizing other planets asap.


Just because someone is extremely good in one or two areas doesn't mean they are seeing the bigger picture.

I am not saying that AI could not become a huge threat but that our situation with Global Climate Change is the greatest threat to our existence.




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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 07:21 AM

12. Well, duh...we all knew that after Space Odyssey and Terminator....



And then came Trump....

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:17 AM

14. Because AI robots can cool themselves after we die off from the heat

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:05 AM

17. A lot of AI

research was going on at MIT in the 70s when I was there. The long and the short of it is we don't even know how we learn much less how to make a machine learn. I am sure those days of 20K lines of LISP code to do nothing really have progressed but how creatures actually learn is still not understood.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:34 AM

18. LOL. He's an undertaxed billionaire, so he must be an expert in ... everything!!111!!1

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:46 AM

20. Nope. It's lack of human intelligence

that will do us in.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:51 AM

21. That's the underlying cause of it all.



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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:09 AM

22. After witnessing Trump

I'd argue it's not artificial intelligence, but real stupidity we have to worry about most.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:17 AM

23. i cant stand fear for fears sake , stupidity for stupidtys sake . this

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:44 AM

25. yup, I watched the AI of games evolve. Downright scary computer controlled armed drone swarms,

armored alarm that shoots anything that moves, tiny tanks, planes, trucks & cars AI controlled. high power lasers from satellites

This can ALL be hacked or mistakes can be made. 'bugs' bugs bugs.

It will be hacked.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:52 AM

26. He's not talking about fantasy far off in the future.

"But Musk's bigger concern has to do with AI that lives in the network, and which could be incentivized to harm humans. “They could start a war by doing fake news and spoofing email accounts and fake press releases, and just by manipulating information," he said. "The pen is mightier than the sword.”

Musk outlined a hypothetical situation, for instance, in which an AI could pump up defense industry investments by using hacking and disinformation to trigger a war."

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:57 PM

50. We see how bots affect Twitter with respect to politics. Bots with sufficient ai

could do a lot of harm via social media. In ways we can't imagine.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:54 AM

27. Long before we'd be under attack

by Artificial Intelligence,

we'll be done in by Genuine Stupidity.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:10 PM

28. More dangerous than the Artificial Stupidity of the Trump Administration?

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:13 PM

29. He's not talking about Windows 20 or the iPhone 15

He's talking about a very straightforward logical progression.

Homo Sapiens didn't become the dominant species on earth because we are stronger, faster or bigger. We aren't in the process of causing the 8th great extinction because we are evil.

We dominate at the expense of other life because we are smarter and we use that intelligence to adapt and exploit at a speed no other species can match. That's it.

If we create an intelligence that beats us in terms of speed, creativity and accuracy, it will inevitably become the dominant species. It's pretty obvious and pretty simple. Musk, Gates, Hawking and many others can see and accept that logic.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:19 PM

31. I really hate the term artificial intelligence

All intelligence is artificial; it's an emergent property rising from the interactions in our nervous system. What Musk is afraid of is a machine intelligence.

And I don't think we can do anything to stop one from eventually being created. Musk and Hawking are afraid of an A.I. (their term) being created top down (the thing being purpose built in one piece) , while we're creating smarter and smaller computers, networking them together, and then we're all going to act surprised when an intelligence emerges from those complicated reactions.

How many devices in your home, right now, have a processor and connect either to the internet or your home router? How complicated of a machine brain are we developing with the internet, right now?

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:25 PM

32. Not even close.

Mass starvation as food crops fail due to global climate change will bring down technological civilization before AI reaches that point. As massive waves of climate refugees flood into the population centers of the world, the problem will become even more acute. Food riots, starvation, lack of potable water, and in that weakened state, disease and violence will deliver the coup de grâce to those pitiful survivors of the first waves of starvation and war. AI is no threat at all once the electric grid collapses.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 12:25 PM

33. Didn't one of his driverless cars recently get someone killed ?

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:19 PM

34. I like the guy but he's full of beans on this one.

Whatever eventually emerges as "artificial" intelligence will be an inevitable product of evolution which of course is
"natural"...or as close to it as anything can really be. If it essentially replaces humans, so what?, it's not as if we did much
with what we allegedly gained when some guy ate an apple...

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 01:26 PM

35. On the contrary, AI is the ONLY way humanity will ever have a meaningful presence beyond earth.

I think that's ultimately what's bothering Musk and Hawkings. In their vision of the future humans will be spreading throughout the solar system like some kind of plague even if the earth itself becomes uninhabitable to humans because of runaway global warming, nuclear war, hit by a huge asteroid, etc. (I'm such a pessimist I suspect that any such asteroid would have been sent on that collision course with earth by the humans living in space.) If the earth becomes uninhabitable to humans it will most likely be humans who made it so.

Personally, I doubt humans will ever have any significant presence in outer space beyond low earth orbit. It's simply too hostile an environment for our biology. Visitors to the International Space Station are somewhat protected from high energy particles by earth's magnetic field. The Apollo astronauts, who were beyond earth's magnetosphere for just a few days, probably suffered significant damage caused by high speed particles and hard radiation ripping through their bodies. This radiation was so intense they could see it passing through their heads as flashes of light.

Mars ain't no place to raise a kid; in fact it's cold as hell. And radioactive. And poisonous. But we've demonstrated we can build robots that survive in that harsh environment. At some point we might be building robots smart enough that we can relate to them the same way we'd relate to human explorers. Tell us what it's like there... Some AI might even be able to relate their experience in poetry and song.

Should humanity survive the next thousand years space will belong to our intellectual children, not our biologic children. If we don't survive, it won't be anything surprising. This planet has seen many innovative species grow exponentially and then crash and fade away into extinction. We are not the first, and we won't be the last.

I'm someone who believes the universe is full of life, but not in a Star Trek way. Faster-than-light travel and time travel are simply not possible in this universe. Any intelligent life that has successfully spread beyond their planet of origin is inaccessible to us, living in universes of their own creation or in aspects of this universe beyond human perception.

As for economic disruptions caused by AI, that's not a technical problem, it's a problem of our primitive beliefs, racism, nationalism, and destructive work ethics. This thing we now call economic "productivity" isn't productivity at all, in fact it's a direct measure of the damage we are doing to what's left of the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.

A Universal Basic Income would be one approach to economic disruptions caused by AI. Free education would be another. That's one a bit of Star Trek futurism that's possible today, just as Star Trek cell phones and tablets became possible.




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Response to hunter (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 08:54 AM

52. The ending of Kubrick/Speilberg's "A.I." movie.

AI is possibly our next step in the evolutionary process. Our "intelligence and humanity" moving past carbon-based "lifeform" to something more durable and potentially immortal. "The ghost in the machine."

Of course, evolution tends to be a rather destructive force on the less "successful" ancestral species.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 02:45 PM

39. Real Stupidity is the more immediate threat, however.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:20 PM

40. The first victims of AI will be human jobs

Ai is able to out perform humans in many specialized tasks already-- human jobs that involve thought and analysis will be on the line in a few years. Meet your new AI accountant, or marketing analyst. Before that self-driving cars, trucks, automated restaurants and retail stores will end human blue collar jobs just as surely as cars ended the days of the horse and buggy. When AI achieves generalized intelligence, watch out all bets are off.

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Response to andym (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:50 PM

42. I'm not sure there is anything such as "generalized intelligence."

Our minds are a big toolbox, including tools for choosing which tools are appropriate in any given situation.

The failures of human cognition are every bit as spectacular as the failures of current AI technology.

Anyone who voted for Trump was using the wrong tools, as were all the people in "here, hold my beer," YouTube videos.

I also know that we humans are crazy to feel alone in this universe. We look for "intelligent" life in outer space even as we share (or don't share) the planet with other intelligent and sentient beings who have much more in common with us than any space alien ever could. We humans are idiots not to recognize that.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 03:46 PM

41. Put AI in charge

of the GOP.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:25 PM

44. He needs to wait for a government to be elected that is interested in science and society

right now we have neither.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 08:53 PM

45. The other kind of artificial intelligence is dangerous too.

The kind that thinks they are smart by worshipping Trump.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 09:04 PM

46. Wrong. Lack of intelligence is.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 10:01 PM

47. Because they will see that the rich hoarding the planet is bunk as hell.

 

I keep hearing all they scary "Ehrmagawd it's a Terminator!" stuff, and the scary stuff they shoved into roleplaying games (some of which were turned into legitimately interesting left-leaning games like Eclipse Phase), and the scary sci-fi classics (Hi, Dune!), but what I'm also seeing is that the groups warning that they're so dangerous are the those with the most to lose, wealth wise. I'd be somewhat interested in some more focus being put on that instead of "OH MY GAWD YOU'LL LOSE YOUR JOBS!!!!!!" without the first word of why jobs would even exist at that point.

The underlying assumptions must be challenged. AI is the canopener...or can be.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:30 PM

48. This was debated on IQ2

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Sun Jul 16, 2017, 11:55 PM

49. I believe Elon is right. We can't imagine the scenario now just like Julius Caesar

couldn't contemplate what a nuclear bomb might do to the way war is waged.

From articles I've read, I think we are right to be scared.

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Response to Doug the Dem (Original post)

Mon Jul 17, 2017, 12:43 AM

51. The greatest risk? No way... rather hyperbolic.

Anyway, what's he afraid of? We're killing ourselves off pretty well without help from AI. I hope there IS an artificial intel that can do better than we did.

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