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Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:10 PM

Pastor compares Obama to Judas over same sex marriage

Source: Raw Story

Rev. Williams Owens, founder of the Coalition of African-Americans Pastors, on Tuesday compared President Barack Obama to Judas, the apostle who betrayed Jesus for thirty pieces of silver in the Bible.

“The President is in the White House because of the civil rights movement, and I was a leader in that movement, nd I didn’t march one inch, one foot, one yard for a man to marry a man or a woman to marry a woman,” he said at the National Press Club.

“So the President has forgotten the price that was paid,” Owens continued. “People died or they suffered or they gave their blood to have equal rights in the United States. And for the homosexual community and for the President to bow to the money, as Judas did with Jesus Christ, is a disgrace and we are ashamed. We will not take it back. We will not back down. We are going to take action across this country to change the course that this President has us in.”


Owens, who consults with the National Organization for Marriage (NOM) as a liaison to black churches, has launched a national campaign urging African-American voters to oppose the reelection of Obama.

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Reply Pastor compares Obama to Judas over same sex marriage (Original post)
MindMover Jul 2012 OP
Dont call me Shirley Jul 2012 #1
chknltl Jul 2012 #2
MindMover Jul 2012 #3
chknltl Jul 2012 #6
canuckledragger Jul 2012 #4
MindMover Jul 2012 #5
coldbeer Jul 2012 #11
Ezlivin Jul 2012 #7
KamaAina Jul 2012 #8
Raster Jul 2012 #9
MindMover Jul 2012 #10
chknltl Jul 2012 #19
Raster Jul 2012 #20
nanabugg Jul 2012 #12
Enrique Jul 2012 #13
LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #24
dbackjon Jul 2012 #14
progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #15
SemperEadem Aug 2012 #29
Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #16
tawadi Aug 2012 #27
dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #17
MindMover Jul 2012 #18
They_Live Jul 2012 #21
TheMadMonk Jul 2012 #22
LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #25
TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #26
truthisfreedom Jul 2012 #23
SemperEadem Aug 2012 #28
lunatica Aug 2012 #30
LibertyLover Aug 2012 #31

Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:11 PM

1. In regard to this pastor, "WWJD"?

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:18 PM

2. chknltl compares Rev. Williams Owens to a cockroach.

nuff said.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:20 PM

3. OMG ... that is not nice ....

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Response to MindMover (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:26 PM

6. Ok. My sincere apologies to all cockroaches.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:23 PM

4. sounds like this 'preacher'...

...marched for himself, not for civil rights

he doesn't quite get it was civil rights for everyone really, not just the dark coloured people.

I'm still kinda convinced it's idiots like this that think more about gay lifestyles & gay sex then the gay folks themselves!

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Response to canuckledragger (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:25 PM

5. SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX

Last edited Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:10 PM - Edit history (1)

OMG SEX ..... look Margaret they are having SEX over there .....

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Response to canuckledragger (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:38 PM

11. it was civil rights for everyone really, not just the dark coloured people.

Thanks canuckledragger

I have always defended civil rights not realizing I was
defending my own rights. Makes me feel like a hypocrite.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:27 PM

7. Yeah, well at least Judas knew Jesus personally

It's less than I can say for him.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:27 PM

8. So all people have equal rights

 

but some are more equal than others?

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:29 PM

9. Coretta Scott King on the subject of Gay rights:

Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job. For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law.

• I believe all Americans who believe in freedom, tolerance and human rights have a responsibility to oppose bigotry and prejudice based on sexual orientation.

• I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

• I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.

• We have to launch a national campaign against homophobia in the black community.

• Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.

• Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.

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Response to Raster (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:30 PM

10. +++++++++++....Right on Coretta ....

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Response to Raster (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:51 PM

19. WOW! This should be its own OP! more:

This wisdom is very relevant to discussions going on across this nation right now. I strongly urge you to repost this as its own OP inorder to get us DUers discussing it.

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Response to chknltl (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:56 PM

20. Done. Thank you!

Posted in General Discussion.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:40 PM

12. Who cares what he says. Most blacks aren't that stupid to vote against their own interests.

 

Since, according to Christian scripture, Christ died for the "whosoever..." even pastors.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:47 PM

13. so who is this guy working for?

Karl Rove? The Koch Brothers?

I can't find out anything about this organization, which is very unusual...


http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/31/black-pastors-group-launches-anti-obama-campaign-around-gay-marriage/

When asked at the press conference for specifics about the campaign – funding, planned events and goals – Owens said only that the group’s first fundraiser will be on August 16 in Memphis, Tennessee. But Owens insisted that “we are going to go nationwide with our agenda just like the president has gone to Hollywood.”

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Response to Enrique (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:22 PM

24. I can't find anything on the guy being a "leader" in the Civil Rights movement.

He is likely a cousin to the bugs that live under rocks.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:48 PM

14. What a hateful, bigoted Prick

 

Talk about a Judas - you are one to the human race.

The world will be better when ignorant fuckheads like this asswipe die off.


Do us all a favor and move to Uganda or Iran - you will fit in better there, fuckhead.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:50 PM

15. Guess the Pastor doesn't see the irony of his own statement.

He talks about the civil rights movement on one hand, then wants to DENY the rights to someone else.

Guess he forgot that there was a time when it was illegal for a Caucasian to marry an African American.

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Response to progressivebydesign (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:35 AM

29. In Mississippi, they're denying black couples from marrying

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:52 PM

16. Williams Owens has been anti-Obama since '08...

He wrote this book four years ago:

http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Black-America-Should-Doubts/dp/1607020734

If the Black Community is a Community of God, why is it preparing to support the secular Democrats once again--and with so little internal debate? If the Black Community is proud of its great heritage, why is it rallying in support of a man who espouses so many issues of dubious morality? In Obama: Why Black America Should Have Doubts, William Owens cautions Black America to think about these and other important issues and to vote, not with the heart but with the head. This book is not so much anti-Obama as it is pro-Black and pro-American and pro-everything else that's good about this country.


So, same ol' shit. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:20 AM

27. Where is Owens from? Texas? Florida?

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:52 PM

17. Judas Priest ?

I don't think so somehow.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 06:56 PM

18. ++++++++++++



JP forever

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:13 PM

21. Well...without Judas

the whole Jesus "sacrifice" story doesn't really work. I'd say Judas is integral to the success of the Christ Legend.

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Response to They_Live (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:58 PM

22. Judas was the ONLY one of the 12 to follow Jesus' instruction...

 

...in the final hours. All the rest were buzzing around like blue arsed flies (or polititians) frantically searching for that loophole which would let them keep the good gig they had going alive.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:24 PM

25. I wonder how much of the bible he read.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:50 AM

26. Probably all of it actually. He is after all a pastor.

 

However, just like pretty much everyone since the year dot, he only pays attention to those parts which speak to his predjudices and conveniently ignores the rest. Picking and choosing from Leviticus is only the most blatant of such hipocrisies.

And the Judas story is just one of several interpreted in a manner which is pretty much a reversal of the simplest literal meaning of the written word. (See my sig. for another) These stories (and their convenient misinterpretations) are the reason why the Catholic church opposed universal literacy for centuries, and why fundamentalists today oppose critical thinking.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:43 PM

23. I think he's got the roles reversed.

He's the one throwing his trusted leader to the wolves. Follow the money. Someone is paying him to do this.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:25 AM

28. you know, "pastor", in 2012

The President is in the White House because of the civil rights movement, and I was a leader in that movement, nd I didn’t march one inch, one foot, one yard for a man to marry a man or a woman to marry a woman,” he said at the National Press Club.


some people in mississippi during the past week were saying that you and your wife would not be married in their church because you're black. They've already forced a couple to have to change churches in order to get married. So is that alright--being that you can't help who/how you were born, right? Stripping the civil rights from one group is fine as long as it's not your group?

And here's the thing: There were plenty of gays and lesbians WHO MARCHED ALONG SIDE OF YOU FOR EQUAL CIVIL RIGHTS. How dare you make this all about you? You didn't march alone, you pride-filled asshole!

No one said YOU had to marry them. There are plenty of pastors in plenty of good, upright churches out there who are more than willing to marry them and that is what this whole push is about. Stop making it all about you and your low-down church. No one cares about you.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:14 AM

30. Sigh...

This crap has gotten old. Very, very old.

At least we know NOM will sink into oblivion like all the rest of the knee jerk bigot based hate groups.

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Response to MindMover (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 09:14 AM

31. 2 legislative sessions ago

a marriage equality bill was introduced in the Maryland legislature. One of its co-sponsors was an African-American representative from Prince George's County. When it came time to actually vote on the bill, this same representative voted against it because she had heard from some of her constituents, including several African-American preachers from mega-churches in PG County, that if she voted for it, she could expect to loose her seat at the next election. The DC marriage equality bill was also opposed by several very vocal African-American ministers, including an ad hoc coalition put together to stop DC from putting their law into practice run by a minister of a mega-church from Prince George's County, Maryland. One of the reporters, I think from the Washington Post, was interviewing some of the African-American ministers who were opposing marriage equality and brought up the subject of the civil rights struggle. To a man (word used deliberately as the ministers were all male) reacted much the same way - that it wasn't the same thing at all. However, in the same article, those same ministers also admitted that their congregations were probably much more in favor of marriage equality and gay rights than they were. I hope so. I have gay relatives and friends to whose legal weddings I would love to go.

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