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Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:57 PM

Former North Korea detainee Otto Warmbier dies

Source: CNN

(CNN)Otto Warmbier, the college student who returned to the United States last week after 17 months of detention in North Korea, died Monday afternoon, his family said in a statement.

"It is our sad duty to report that our son, Otto Warmbier, has completed his journey home. Surrounded by his loving family, Otto died today at 2:20 p.m.," the statement said.

"We would like to thank the wonderful professionals at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center who did everything they could for Otto. Unfortunately, the awful torturous mistreatment our son received at the hands of the North Koreans ensured that no other outcome was possible beyond the sad one we experienced today."

Developing story - more to come

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/19/politics/otto-warmbier-dies/index.html


What's our fearless leader going to do about this?

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Reply Former North Korea detainee Otto Warmbier dies (Original post)
IronLionZion Jun 19 OP
luvMIdog Jun 19 #1
ehrnst Jun 19 #2
WhiskeyGrinder Jun 19 #5
7962 Jun 19 #10
ehrnst Jun 19 #11
7962 Jun 19 #13
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 19 #14
3catwoman3 Jun 19 #17
Dave Starsky Jun 19 #33
longship Jun 19 #21
BeyondGeography Jun 19 #3
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 19 #4
ButSeeYa Jun 19 #6
Dopers_Greed Jun 19 #7
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 19 #9
Leghorn21 Jun 19 #8
7962 Jun 19 #12
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 19 #15
Little Star Jun 19 #16
LeftinOH Jun 19 #18
LisaL Jun 19 #30
lunatica Jun 19 #19
Post removed Jun 19 #20
Post removed Jun 19 #22
IronLionZion Jun 19 #23
tammywammy Jun 19 #24
EllieBC Jun 19 #28
BeyondGeography Jun 19 #25
joeybee12 Jun 19 #26
EllieBC Jun 19 #27
LisaL Jun 19 #29
bluestarone Jun 19 #32
Cryptoad Jun 19 #31
Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 19 #34
ucrdem Jun 20 #36
Blue_Roses Jun 20 #35
rtracey Jun 20 #37
avebury Jun 20 #38
IronLionZion Jun 20 #39

Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:59 PM

1. Condolences for his family



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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:00 PM

2. Blame Obama in 3...2...1...

And exonerate the travel company who claimed "North Korea Is ‘Extremely Safe!"

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:06 PM

5. Otto's father already has.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:13 PM

10. A travel company actually did that?

These days i just dont know what to believe when it comes to stuff like that

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:17 PM

13. Unbelievable. Wow.. thanks for the link. nt

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Response to 7962 (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:18 PM

14. Welcome to Young Pioneer Tours, the first company to offer budget tours to North Korea

Welcome to Young Pioneer Tours, the first company to offer budget tours to North Korea

DPRK_News is fake, but all they did was to link to the Young Pioneer Tours Twitter account.

Leading western tourism provider for young adventurers agrees: DPRK is safest and most wholesome destination for foreign students and youth.


This sounds swell. What could go wrong?

Welcome to Young Pioneer Tours, the first company to offer budget tours to the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

Young Pioneer Tours is an adventure travel company formed in 2008 and based in mainland China. Specialising in North Korea tours, we provide “budget travel to destinations your mother would rather you stayed away from”.

We are renowned and rated as one of the best North Korea travel operators with our unparalleled experience, fun way of doing things, and most importantly, excellent relations in country; this makes us the best choice for your visit to North Korea.

As well as seeing the must see sights in Pyongyang and visiting the DMZ, we provide tours to various locations within North Korea. So whether you’re looking to compete in the Pyongyang Marathon, experience the spectacular sights of Mt Paektu, ski at the world class Masikryong Ski resort, explore the extreme North East of the country, or visit Rason city – North Korea’s Special Economic Zone, we have itineraries to suit all travellers.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVOhpsVjd0q/

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youngpioneerGrabbing a pint from a local bar in Pyongyang #northkorea #korea #dprk #pyongyang #youngpioneertours
golfgirltwinCheers!
mattkuleszaThat's not Kyonghung is it..?!

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:23 PM

17. ...budget travel to destinations your mother would rather you stayed away from.

If your mother would rather you didn't go, there's probably a good reason.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:07 PM

33. Any mom who would implore you not to go to North Korea...

Is one who cares enough about you that you should definitely listen to her.

On any subject.




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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 06:43 PM

21. How about the special tour of the prison system?

You too can learn what hard labor means in the DPRK. If you live through it.

Just my comment. Young Pioneer Tours' record isn't so good right now.

But these are budget tours. Maybe the full price tours do not include the prison system. Wonder if that answer is in Young Pioneer Tours FAQ.


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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:02 PM

3. Death for pinching a poster

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:03 PM

4. Another link:

Otto Warmbier dies days after release from North Korean detainment

By Susan Svrluga June 19 at 4:36 PM

Otto Warmbier, University of Virginia student who was detained in North Korea for nearly a year and a half, died Monday afternoon, his parents announced.

Warmbier returned from North Korea last week in a coma, and his father Fred Warmbier denounced the “pariah” regime that brutalized his son. ... Fred and Cindy Warmbier issued a statement Monday afternoon:

We would like to thank the wonderful professionals at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center who did everything they could for Otto. Unfortunately, the awful torturous mistreatment our son received at the hands of the North Koreans ensured that no other outcome was possible beyond the sad one we experienced today.

When Otto returned to Cincinnati late on June 13th he was unable to speak, unable to see and unable to react to verbal commands. He looked very uncomfortable — almost anguished. Although we would never hear his voice again, within a day the countenance of his face changed — he was at peace. He was home and we believe he could sense that. ... We thank everyone around the world who has kept him and our family in their thoughts and prayers. We are at peace and at home too.

Fred & Cindy Warmbier and Family
....

Susan Svrluga is a reporter for the Washington Post, covering higher education for the Grade Point blog. Follow @SusanSvrluga

This kid had so much promise.

No one's got anything at the CD yet: http://www.cavalierdaily.com/

The Daily Progress is running an AP story:

Otto Warmbier, UVa student freed from North Korea, has died, family says
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 22 min ago

The Richmond Times-Dispatch is running the WaPo story:

Otto Warmbier, UVa student freed by North Korea in a coma, has died at 22
By Susan Svrluga, The Washington Post 18 min ago

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:07 PM

6. How unbelievably sad. Condolences to the Family.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:07 PM

7. Dear Leader is probably too busy tweeting to care

The "gentleman" who leads NK is a "smart cookie"

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:13 PM

9. He just found out about the Fitzgerald.

I'm not going to bother linking.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:10 PM

8. So awfully sorry. I'm "glad" he was with his family and not thousands of miles away, but this is a

sadness I cannot comprehend.


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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:15 PM

12. What the hell did they DO to him? And he was like this for almost a YEAR?? nt

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:22 PM

15. The Cavalier Daily has the story now.

Otto Warmbier dies nearly a week after release from North Korea

Family announces death of U.Va. student who had been imprisoned for 17 months in DPRK

by Alexis Gravely and Anna Higgins and Hailey Ross and Kate Bellows and Tim Dodson | Jun 19 2017 | 1 minute ago

Former University student Otto Warmbier, who was detained in North Korea for over a year, died Monday afternoon at 2:20 p.m. surrounded by family.

After 17 months of imprisonment in North Korea, Warmbier was released from the isolated country last Tuesday — but returned to the United States in a state of “unresponsive wakefulness.” Doctors said he had suffered a severe loss of brain tissue.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:23 PM

16. This is just so sad. Poor kid.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:32 PM

18. They knew he was dying- that's why they released him.

Tortured to death just for stealing a stupid propaganda poster. Maybe an autopsy could reveal more about what might have happened to him. North Koreans are already raised to believe that Americans are evil incarnate; there's no telling what kind of hell he went through.

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Response to LeftinOH (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:19 PM

30. Doctors in US did an MRI on him. He had severe loss of brain tissue.

Brain tissue once it died, does not recover.
It was impossible to fix that.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:42 PM

19. I feel so bad for them!

They didn't deserve this nightmare. What a horrible thing to happen to their son and to them. It was all so totally needless. The cruelty visited on Otto and his family is too vile for words.

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Mon Jun 19, 2017, 06:57 PM

23. NK beat him to death

They handed him over as he was about to die. This is not about the healthcare system

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:06 PM

24. He was in a coma with severe brain damage when he arrived in the US.

Your post is simple ridiculous.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:06 PM

28. And I bet the poster doesn't come back to defend their ridiculousness.

Drive by stupidity post!

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:17 PM

25. He was perfectly healthy when he was sentenced

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:34 PM

26. Fucking dumbest post of the year. Nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:05 PM

27. Stupid and opportunistic post.

There are plenty of legitimate failings in the US health care system. This isn't one of them.

I guess you think he received quality care and treatment there and just accidentally ended up in a coma?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:18 PM

29. Oh for crying out loud.

He had severe brain damage with large areas of brain tissue dead, from what doctors said.
It is impossible to fix that.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:35 PM

32. i will

remember this post forever idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:34 PM

31. What the Ding Dong Fuck was he doing there??????

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:25 PM

34. I WANNA HEAR MORE ABOUT the idiotic church group who put him up to it - someone offered him $$$ for

a propaganda "trophy" and $200,000 to his mom if he didnt come back.

Wonder if the a-h paid up or if they think because his body came back they dont owe mom some $$$. He & his family was struggling financially - theres your motives. People struggling financially often do dumb dangerous things for no other reason than someone will pay them $$$ for it.

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:56 AM

36. Where did you hear this?

Not that it doesn't sound plausible but I hope it isn't true as it casts an extremely sinister light on a tragedy that's horrible enough already.


...........
Never mind, I found it in a June 13 Time story:

Before his trial, Warmbier had said he tried to steal a propaganda banner as a trophy for an acquaintance who wanted to hang it in her church. That would be grounds in North Korea for a subversion charge. He identified the church as Friendship United Methodist Church.
North Korea announced Warmbier's arrest in late January 2016, saying he committed an anti-state crime with "the tacit connivance of the U.S. government and under its manipulation." Warmbier had been staying at the Yanggakdo International Hotel. It is common for sections of tourist hotels to be reserved for North Korean staff and off-limits to foreigners.
In a tearful statement made before his trial, Warmbier told a gathering of reporters in Pyongyang he was offered a used car worth $10,000 if he could get a propaganda banner and was also told that if he was detained and didn't return, $200,000 would be paid to his mother in the form of a charitable donation.
Warmbier said he accepted the offer because his family was "suffering from very severe financial difficulties."

http://time.com/4816207/otto-warmbier-north-korea-release/
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Very strange.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:56 AM

35. This is so heartbreaking

How awful. What did they do to him? I'm just at a loss of words...horrible.

Prayers to his family and may he now rest in peace.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 08:11 AM

37. Sad

Sad to hear, but this needs to drive home a point.... STOP TRAVELING INTO AREAS OF THE WORLD WHERE YOU RE NOT LIKED OR WELCOME. Ok, yes, I can hear the "hey, I have a right to go where I please people" saying this, but when you get captured and used as a political pawn, OUR GOVERNMENT are the ones who need to come get you, or your family has to pony up millions...

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:43 AM

38. Condolences to his family but

what he did in traveling to North Korea was beyond foolish in the first place. North Korea is not a country to play around with. The odds are always stacked against you if you travel someplace like that. And to try to "steal" a political poster was beyond stupid. That might be treated like a college prank in the US but he was not in the US. I am not trying to say the North Koreans are not at fault but we all know that the whole incident was totally avoidable in the first place.

Several years ago I had the opportunity to travel to Egypt and Jordan (before the Arab Spring). The first thing that we were told when we arrived in each country was to not try to take any antiquity out of the country. This is something that would land you in prison. We were always advised on the cultural points, including receiving advice on who to dress the next day based upon our itinerary and location. Clothing advice was always given out with an explanation which, if listened to, provided a good reason on why the advice was handed out.

The night before we left Petra to had back to Amman (to fly back to Cairo the next evening) we were reminded that we would be visiting an important Christian church on the way back and that Amman was a very conservative city. Women were advised to not wear shorts and tank tops or sun dresses. There were two young girls with us just out of college. Apparently no one was going to tell them how to dress and they showed up at breakfast wearing skimpy sun dresses. I thought - will this should be an interesting day. At one point during the day our guide, driver and armed guard held a conversation in Arabic. I may not speak Arabic but I am pretty sure that I could tell you what they were talking about. They were worried about whether or not they could make it to the Airport and pass us over to the Tour Company Rep before disaster struck.

They lucked out, they managed to pass us onto the Tour Company Rep before disaster struck - at the Airport. When you arrive at the airport you put all your stuff on the conveyor belt for scanning. Men go through the normal screening and women step aside to go through an area curtained off for examination by a female security agent. If all is well, you grab your stuff, go to the airline counter, check in and wait for your flight.

If all does not go well, all your belongings are hauled to a table and the security guards will go through everything with the proverbial fine toothed comb. Guess which option the girls faced? All of a sudden one of the guards lifted something out of a suitcase and the started talking to one another. They turned to the girls and started to accuse them of trying to take an antiquity out of the country. Remember I mentioned earlier that this was not a good idea and cold land you in prison? Another guy in our group was an American attorney and even though he did not specialize in international law he went over to assist the girls. So the attorney and the Tour Company Rep are working their pants off to get the girls released, off the hook and allowed to leave the country. It was like watching a train wreck. We didn't know if they would be allowed to leave with us. Do I think that they actually were trying to take an antiquity out of the country? Most likely not but they weren't the brightest bulbs in the tulip patch so I wouldn't say that there were 100% in the clear. Finally the guards released them and they were allowed to leave the country. I think that the guards were offended by how the girls were dressed and they took it out on them with the full weight of their office. The girls were foolish and if they had exhibited more common sense the whole thing could have been avoided.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 09:59 AM

39. Otto was traveling in China, as many Americans have done

I've traveled in China. It's relatively safe for Americans.

While in China, he saw a tour group taking tourists to North Korea, which Chinese citizens can travel there easily all the time. But not a good idea for US citizens. That was where his life went down the wrong road. But I know Americans who have gone to NK for diplomatic/foreign service work and lived to tell about it. Removing a propaganda poster or even saying something bad about their government is a very dangerous thing to do in a country that has no 1st amendment.

It sounds Otto liked to live dangerously. The Warmbiers are Jewish and Otto has gone to Israel recently on Birthright.

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