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Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:01 AM

Russia vows to treat US jets in Syria as 'targets' after America guns down first regime warplane

Source: The Independent

Russia has said it will treat US warplanes operating in parts of Syria where its air forces are present as "targets" amid a diplomatic row caused by the downing of a Syrian jet.

The country's defence ministry said the change in position would apply to all aircraft operating as part of the US-backed coalition west of the Euphrates River.

It will also suspend a hotline between Russia and the US set up to prevent mid-air collisions.
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The US did not use its communication channel with Russia ahead of the downing of the Syrian government warplane, the ministry was quoted as saying, accusing the US of a "deliberate failure to make good on its commitments" under the de-confliction deal.



Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-shoot-down-all-flying-objects-in-syria-us-regime-warplane-isis-terror-a7797101.html



Raqqa is on the Euphrates, so this would affect how the battle for that city develops.

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Reply Russia vows to treat US jets in Syria as 'targets' after America guns down first regime warplane (Original post)
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 OP
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #1
gordianot Jun 2017 #2
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2017 #3
gordianot Jun 2017 #4
Calista241 Jun 2017 #8
gordianot Jun 2017 #10
Javaman Jun 2017 #5
3_Limes Jun 2017 #6
OldRedneck Jun 2017 #7
ffr Jun 2017 #9
IronLionZion Jun 2017 #11
karynnj Jun 2017 #16
IronLionZion Jun 2017 #19
karynnj Jun 2017 #20
hack89 Jun 2017 #23
mopinko Jun 2017 #12
Igel Jun 2017 #13
karynnj Jun 2017 #17
WhiteTara Jun 2017 #14
moonseller66 Jun 2017 #15
geek tragedy Jun 2017 #18
sprinkleeninow Jun 2017 #25
countryjake Jun 2017 #21
Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #22
Rhiannon12866 Jun 2017 #24
WinkyDink Jun 2017 #26

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:08 AM

1. U.S.-backed SDF will retaliate if Syrian government attacks again - spokesman

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U.S.-backed Syrian militias accused the Syrian government on Monday of bombing their positions southwest of Raqqa city in recent days and threatened to retaliate if the attacks continue.

"The regime's forces have mounted large-scale attacks using planes, artillery, and tanks since June 17," Syrian Democratic Forces spokesman Talal Selo said in a statement.

Selo said the attacks targeted SDF areas near the town of Tabqa and the adjacent dam, Syria's largest, which the alliance of Kurdish and Arab militias captured from Islamic State militants in May.

There was no immediate comment from the Syrian army.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-sdf-idUKKBN19A166
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:08 AM

2. It might be interesting to know the nationality of the pilot.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:11 AM

3. A Syrian fighter jet normally implies a Syrian pilot (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:16 AM

4. As per the Korean War and Vietnam that was not always the case.

Russia has a long history of such actions given the rebranding the same old actors are in play.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:56 AM

8. If they had a Russian in a Syrian marked jet with Syrian transponders

They shouldn't be surprised at what happened. This happened in Vietnam also, with Russians and the Chinese flying North Nietnamese flagged jets.

As far as I know, both Russia, China and the US pretended their pilots weren't there and proceeded like nothing happened other than us shooting down a NV aircraft.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:04 AM

10. Recently some of the old Soviet pilots came out out with Korean War exploits.

Apparently the U.S. military is engaging on their own while Comrade Casino is having a Twitstorm.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:16 AM

5. we make it through post WWI and a cold war

without a major conflict with Russia/Soviets.

the orange menace is in 6 months and he's starting a war with the very nation that put him in office.

we have all stepped through the looking glass.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:37 AM

6. It would seem quite reasonable to expect Putin to respond like any other gangster...

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"You take one of my guys, I take one of your guys." Making it clear who did it and why.

Then it'll be Trump's move. Which is when it'll really hit the proverbial fan. Because no matter what he does, I'm sure it will be the most tone-deaf, counterproductive choice available.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:56 AM

7. Meanwhile . . .

 

Meanwhile, the child in the White House continues to tweet about his popularity and about how Mueller is being mean to him.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:00 AM

9. Fox Noise said Russia was our friend. This story must be false.

It just can't be that Russia wouldn't have our best interests at heart.












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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:22 AM

11. Why even bother with Syria at this point?

it's not worth it. The US should just withdraw and let the rest of them deal with it.

The US is eyeballs deep in Iraq of course thanks to W's brilliance, so we that's where we should limit our involvement.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:35 PM

16. Isis straddles the iraqi and Syrian border

This, more than the Syrian civil war is why we are there. I assume if not for ISIS Obama would have left even with Assad's war crimes.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:43 PM

19. US handle Iraq, Russia handle Syria

and avoid the issue of too many cooks in the kitchen

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:59 PM

20. That would have made sense, but Syria and Russia

Concentrated on the civil war instead.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:07 PM

23. The issue is Iran

The US does not want a permanent Iranian military presence in Syria. That is is the explosive situation we are trying to prevent.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:31 AM

12. appears our military still think russia is our enemy.

now that we have no civilian control, i expect things to get pretty ugly.

how's that peace president thing working out for you, trumphumpers?

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Response to mopinko (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:35 AM

13. Not sure where that came from.

Given all the "Trump is in the Russians' pocket" posts.

At the same time, this was in response to bombs falling on US troops or allies. Reportedly it's not the first time. I have serious trouble considering somebody dropping bombs on me to be neutral, much less a friend. What would you call it?

Notice that one of the steps Russia is implementing is terminating the communications process to make sure that Russia/Syria and US/FSA (or whatever it is) don't shoot at each other's planes or drop bombs on each other. So they're terminating something that apparently either isn't reliable or that the other side is ignoring. Meh.

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Response to Igel (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:39 PM

17. Interesting that they are ending devonfliction which worked for

Over 2 years under Obama. At the end of Obama's time before Aleppo, the Russians were lobbying for actual coordinatoon.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:43 AM

14. Mad Dog is living up to his name

and will embroil us in a war with Russia and Syria that will engulf the world.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:00 PM

15. A Compromise?

Maybe Putin will decide to move on the Middle East first then Europe. Then Trump will decide to show the American People he really wanted peace by giving in to Putin rather than starting a war (see America, I told you I wouldn't get into war) by signing over Europe (to Russia) much as his idol did with the Sudetenland by waving a document and decying "Peace in Our Time" - nudge nudge wink wink "Vlad old buddy. And thanks again," DJT.

History has a way of repeating itself...just with different players!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:46 PM

18. it's almost like Obama was cautious about committing US forces there for a reason nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:03 AM

25. It appears that way. Dammm. I knew it.

I just knew it.
This latest statement from the soviets is really rankling me.
This really does it.
Oh man, I gotta calm the hell down.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:20 PM

21. Video from CNN's Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr...

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:02 PM

22. Good luck trying to treat an F-22A as a 'target'...

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 02:53 AM

24. Brian Williams (the repeat) is talking about this right now...

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:27 AM

26. One US plane shot down by Russia, and the Trump Treason Train will pick up passengers from

the Right.

Trump for everyone's sake had best get his act together.

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