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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:12 PM Apr 2017

Aircraft Carrier Wasn't Sailing to Deter North Korea, as U.S. Suggested

Source: New York Times



By MARK LANDLER and ERIC SCHMITT APRIL 18, 2017

WASHINGTON — As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the North’s provocative behavior.

The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula.

White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the military’s Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.

By the time the White House was asked about the Carl Vinson on April 11, its imminent arrival had been emblazoned on front pages across East Asia, fanning fears that Mr. Trump was considering a pre-emptive military strike on North Korea. It was portrayed as further evidence of the president’s muscular style two days after he ordered a missile strike on Syria while he and President Xi Jinping of China were finishing dessert during a meeting in Florida.




Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/aircraft-carrier-north-korea-carl-vinson.html?emc=edit_na_20170418&nl=breaking-news&nlid=57435284&ref=headline

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Aircraft Carrier Wasn't Sailing to Deter North Korea, as U.S. Suggested (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2017 OP
Lies. Lies. And more lies. democratisphere Apr 2017 #1
Again proving that you can't trust a damn thing this administration says Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #2
I've said it over and over and nothings changed. lark Apr 2017 #8
Trump's brilliant strategery is to keep the world guessing if anything he says is real. Eugene Apr 2017 #3
No credibility jpak Apr 2017 #4
Premature explanations isn't surprising for these amateurs. DK504 Apr 2017 #5
I'll take "Strategic Patience" maxrandb Apr 2017 #11
uh huh, yeah right. Javaman Apr 2017 #6
"Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events" BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #7
Yup. And this is how you can start a war even without meaning to. Incompetence. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2017 #25
That means 'chain of command' now. Volaris Apr 2017 #30
It boggles the mind how you can "lose" 5 gigormous ships. BumRushDaShow Apr 2017 #34
Yep. calimary Apr 2017 #40
Our fearless leader is way too brilliant for us IronLionZion Apr 2017 #9
Are you "effing" kidding me?? maxrandb Apr 2017 #10
Obama or Clinton would have been impeached before news broke that the carrier was misplaced Orrex Apr 2017 #15
there's only I think ten of them to keep track of...apparently too much for this bunch MindPilot Apr 2017 #22
My jaw has been dropping to the floor for several minutes! calimary Apr 2017 #38
Come on, tell us what you think. uppityperson Apr 2017 #44
This idiot's going to start a war... More_Cowbell Apr 2017 #12
Not to mention that maxrandb Apr 2017 #16
If they want to prevent premature explanation, maybe they should think about baseball Orrex Apr 2017 #13
Everything is a lie dalton99a Apr 2017 #14
North Korea displays apparently new missiles as U.S. carrier group approaches mitty14u2 Apr 2017 #17
Trump does not even know WHO Kim IS!! dixiegrrrrl Apr 2017 #19
The Announcement Was Directed for Domestic... TomCADem Apr 2017 #18
I wish... 3catwoman3 Apr 2017 #42
How the fuck can we keep living like this? world wide wally Apr 2017 #20
Speed of Twitter undoes the Twit again benld74 Apr 2017 #21
Can't believe any news source nor the orange house elmac Apr 2017 #23
They couldn't find their asses with two hands... HopeAgain Apr 2017 #24
Just another story of farts leading turds down the eternal wishing well Augiedog Apr 2017 #26
Sure , raise my blood pressure sellitman Apr 2017 #27
"East is east and west is west" DFW Apr 2017 #28
The other night my son was worried about nuclear war, but it turns out it was Ilsa Apr 2017 #29
It was not a mind game hack89 Apr 2017 #31
Yeah, I really have confidence these loons should be in charge of our sinkingfeeling Apr 2017 #32
I think the most relevant questions are: Who did know the actual location MedusaX Apr 2017 #33
Yeah, but it is the nutmeg safe? Solly Mack Apr 2017 #35
Welcome to cluster fuck central. louis-t Apr 2017 #36
Incompetent Boobs vlyons Apr 2017 #37
WPost: Despite talk of a military strike, Trumps armada actually sailed away from Korea riversedge Apr 2017 #39
Was Trump told "No" yet allowed this to be disseminated as truth? EarthFirst Apr 2017 #41
He was probably just clueless Bradical79 Apr 2017 #47
CNN: Official: White House, Pentagon miscommunicated on aircraft carrier's location riversedge Apr 2017 #43
Donald Trump Told North Korea He Was Sending an 'Armada.' It Was Actually Headed Toward Australia Judi Lynn Apr 2017 #45
The admin can't even locate a fleet rpannier Apr 2017 #46

lark

(23,083 posts)
8. I've said it over and over and nothings changed.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:58 PM
Apr 2017

If his lips or tiny fingers are moving, he's lying. Same thing goes for anyone making statements for him, anything that comes from him, even 2nd or 3rd hand, is still a lie.

Eugene

(61,846 posts)
3. Trump's brilliant strategery is to keep the world guessing if anything he says is real.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 02:25 PM
Apr 2017

The only predictable thing about Trump & Co. is that they will lie about anything.

maxrandb

(15,312 posts)
11. I'll take "Strategic Patience"
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:15 PM
Apr 2017

over "we don't know where a fucking Carrier Battle Group is" anytime...and a hundred times on Sunday.

That "Strategic Patience" shit must be a new fucking Frank Luntz focus grouped CON talking point.

Shit loses it's "umph" when you've got Mike "always looks like I'm shitting a brick" Pence saying it, and you don't know where your fucking CARSTRIKGRU is.

READY, FIRE, AIM!!!!

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
25. Yup. And this is how you can start a war even without meaning to. Incompetence. (n/t)
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:19 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 10:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Volaris

(10,269 posts)
30. That means 'chain of command' now.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:50 PM
Apr 2017

But but but her emails.

Hey Jill and Jackpine, is this still better? More like the Liberalness you were hoping for is it???

'We lost an Air Carrier Task Force.'
'Oh no worries at least no one giving Wall Street Bank Speeches'

. . . no one has to they all work in the WestWing now.

BumRushDaShow

(128,717 posts)
34. It boggles the mind how you can "lose" 5 gigormous ships.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:04 PM
Apr 2017

(but can track a tiny cell phone to a tower)

calimary

(81,179 posts)
40. Yep.
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:42 PM
Apr 2017

This was the "armada" trump was boasting about. And "OOPS, um, actually, they're, uh, going in the other direction." Oh my Sweet God... There are some to whom I would ask - "happy NOW?" For others it would be - "and you're okay with this?"

Oh, but her emails...







I ache.

IronLionZion

(45,404 posts)
9. Our fearless leader is way too brilliant for us
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:06 PM
Apr 2017
the world can't keep up. It makes our heads spin.

Ordering missile strikes over chocolate cake. Faking out foreign nations with false ship movements.

Sure Donny, go on with your bad self.

maxrandb

(15,312 posts)
10. Are you "effing" kidding me??
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:08 PM
Apr 2017

Could you imagine the fucking media feeding fucking frenzy if President Obama or President Hillary Clinton HAD LOST A FUCKING CARRIER FUCKING BATTLEGROUP!!!!????

This isn't even fucking Amateur Hour any-fucking-more. I've seen cats trying to cover their shit on a linoleum floor that have conducted themselves with more competence than these White House and Pentagon fuck-sticks!

Let's bring the entire fucking world to the brink of thermo-nuclear war, and then say; "oops, our bad, the carrier was actually 3,500 miles away moving in the opposite direction...sorry"

I swear to fucking God!!! The SECDEF, NSA Chief, SECNAV and the fucking President ought to lose their FUCKING JOBS over something like this.

I have never seen a group of people with such Delusions of Adequacy. How some of these fuckers put on a Dog Damn star is criminal! Flynn, Mattis, McMaster???? Hell, I had 18 year old high school drop-outs from "bumfucked" Idaho with more sense and competence than those guys.

In the Navy we would have called folks this incompetent; "not so much of a has-been, but more of a "never-was". Or, my personal favorite; "this man was a bit of a Granny when he reported on board. Since then, he has aged considerably"

It's like the entire fucking White House, from Donnie Short Fingers down to the fucking Mess Cooks have all risen to the level of their incompetence.

It would be fucking funny if not for the potential to fucking kill us all!!

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
22. there's only I think ten of them to keep track of...apparently too much for this bunch
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:03 PM
Apr 2017

I hope, hope, hope, that 45's name never graces anything more than a garbage scow.

calimary

(81,179 posts)
38. My jaw has been dropping to the floor for several minutes!
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:35 PM
Apr 2017

For Pete's Sake - the asshole is gonna get us all killed if he's not removed from power. And soon!

Btw - EVERYBODY: Please support your area's March for Science this coming Saturday (Earth Day, 4/22). If there's one scheduled, that is. Join in, if you can! We're going back downtown to Pershing Square. Where the Women's March-L.A. kicked off.

The more of these we have, the more momentum our movement in general. And the louder and larger we are, and the more difficult we are to ignore, the more likely that will carry us to through the midterms. And THEN we really CAN block trump's agenda.

maxrandb

(15,312 posts)
16. Not to mention that
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:29 PM
Apr 2017

suppose NK called his bluff and began bombing the shit out of Seoul? The "Trump Armada" would have been 3500 miles away

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
17. North Korea displays apparently new missiles as U.S. carrier group approaches
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:30 PM
Apr 2017

North Korea showed two new kinds of ICBM enclosed in canister launchers mounted on the back of trucks, suggesting Pyongyang was working towards a "new concept" of ICBM, said Melissa Hanham, a senior research associate at the U.S.-based Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, California.

The Pukkuksong submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM) were also on parade. It was the first time North Korea had shown the missiles, which have a range of more than 1,000 km (600 miles), at a military parade.

"It suggests a commitment to this program," said Pollack. "Multiple SLBMs seems like a declaration of intent to advance the program."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-anniversary-idUSKBN17G0WU

One bomb could take out a Aircraft Carrier, people don't realise he has nukes, he can put them on ships or boats and hit any place from California to Japan. Trump is playing with millions of lives in his game of chicken. We must demand congresses approval for any kind of police action or the second Korean War!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. Trump does not even know WHO Kim IS!!
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:48 PM
Apr 2017

He keeps saying Kim has been ruling NKor for decades now.

He has gone from being ludicrous to being extremely dangerous to life as we know it.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
18. The Announcement Was Directed for Domestic...
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 03:48 PM
Apr 2017

...consumption so that Trump could act like he was a bad ass. The countries in the area should have just ignored the WH.

3catwoman3

(23,965 posts)
42. I wish...
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 07:00 PM
Apr 2017

...WE could just ignore the White House. And the House. And the Senate. And the cabinet. And 5/9ths of Supreme Court.

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
20. How the fuck can we keep living like this?
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:02 PM
Apr 2017

I cannot believe so much as one word I hear about anything going on with Trump or the government and that is all they ever have on the news. I wish the newsholes ccould figure that out too and stop wasting my time, energy and intelligence on news today that they will determine is not true tomorrow. I quit watching cable news again, but they filter their way even into DU.
I am sick to death of the fucking endless lies day in and day out.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
23. Can't believe any news source nor the orange house
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:09 PM
Apr 2017

no real reporters out there, they just wash and repeat what ever rumors show up on the net.

DFW

(54,328 posts)
28. "East is east and west is west"
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:33 PM
Apr 2017

Are we asking too much to expect the president of the United States to know the difference?

Oh. Really? We are?

Never mind..................

Ilsa

(61,691 posts)
29. The other night my son was worried about nuclear war, but it turns out it was
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:39 PM
Apr 2017

a mind-game. The generals should insist he be impeached over his lies, lack of coherent foreign policy, and general warmongering.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
31. It was not a mind game
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 04:51 PM
Apr 2017

there is enough military firepower within range of North Korea to fight a big war.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
33. I think the most relevant questions are: Who did know the actual location
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:02 PM
Apr 2017

And
Whose decision was it to let Repug45 & team ramble on without correction?

It sounds like Repug45 requested that An Armada of ships & submarines be sent toward NK to show em who is the boss of this planet....

Somebody said ok we will get right on that....
Press Releases are sent out...

And some adult said ...
Gee...That is a bad idea... Let's not & say we did.

Meanwhile ....
Kim J. & any other leader with even a half-assed military organization
Surely had eyes on an empty ocean... & knew 45 was full of shit...

That's why NK press reported that 45 was increasing tensions with his aggressive words...
rather than claiming that an imaginary armada was the source of tension.....

Which means that Pencie-poo must have caught on at some point... after all he was in the immediate area ...sporting his black jacket & squinty rodentesque countenance..,

Interesting....

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
35. Yeah, but it is the nutmeg safe?
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:08 PM
Apr 2017

For those who remember Reagan, that comment is funny.

That said....Damn.

riversedge

(70,178 posts)
39. WPost: Despite talk of a military strike, Trumps armada actually sailed away from Korea
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:38 PM
Apr 2017





Despite talk of a military strike, Trump’s ‘armada’ actually sailed away from Korea




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The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson transits the Sunda Strait between the Indonesian Islands of Java and Sumatra on April 15, 2017, after the U.S. Navy announced it had sent a carrier-led strike group to the Korean Peninsula in a show of force against North Korea's "reckless" nuclear weapons program. (Mc2 Sean M. Castellano/AFP/Getty Images)



By Simon Denyer and Emily Rauhala April 18 at 11:18 AM

BEIJING — As tensions mounted on the Korean Peninsula, Adm. Harry Harris made a dramatic announcement: An aircraft carrier had been ordered to sail north from Singapore on April 8 toward the Western Pacific.

A spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Command, which Harris heads, linked the deployment directly to the “number one threat in the region,” North Korea, and its “reckless, irresponsible and destabilizing program of missile tests and pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability.”

Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told reporters on April 11 that the Carl Vinson was “on her way up there.” Asked about the deployment in an interview with Fox Business Network that aired April 12, President Trump said: “We are sending an armada, very powerful.”

U.S. media went into overdrive, and Fox reported on April 14 that the armada was “steaming” toward North Korea.....................



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/despite-talk-of-a-military-strike-trumps-armada-was-a-long-way-from-korea/2017/04/18/e8ef4237-e26a-4cfc-b5e9-526c3a17bd41_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_nkorea-840am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0b58b346cdb0

EarthFirst

(2,899 posts)
41. Was Trump told "No" yet allowed this to be disseminated as truth?
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 05:53 PM
Apr 2017

Could this be a likely or partially likely scenario?

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
47. He was probably just clueless
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:47 PM
Apr 2017

Declared that it would be so with no regard to the details. He also can't read his daily breifings, so he probably had no idea. Then being the fat stupid baby he is, he doubled down or just ignored what was being said.

riversedge

(70,178 posts)
43. CNN: Official: White House, Pentagon miscommunicated on aircraft carrier's location
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 07:26 PM
Apr 2017

Seems to me the initial 'miscommunication" was the Overstatement and bragging by Trump!



Official: White House, Pentagon miscommunicated on aircraft carrier's location
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/carl-vinson-korea-trump/index.html

By Jim Acosta and Ryan Browne, CNN

Updated 6:02 PM ET, Tue April 18, 2017
Official: Miscommunicated US 'armada' location

Story highlights

Trump highlighted the deployment as part of the administration's response to Pyongyang
But when the White House was touting its "armada," the ships were sailing 3,500 miles in the opposite direction

(CNN)As the White House was talking about sending a naval "armada" to the Korean peninsula, the very ships in question were on their way to participate in military exercises in the Indian Ocean, some 3,500 miles in the opposite direction.


A senior administration official blamed a miscommunication between the Pentagon and the White House over reports that the aircraft carrier has not made its way to the Sea of Japan as an expected show of force to North Korea.


The official blamed the mixup on a lack of follow-up with commanders overseeing the movements of the Carl Vinson aircraft carrier.

On April 8, US Pacific Command, which oversees military operations in the region, issued a statement saying that the USS Carl Vinson and an accompanying strike group would leave Singapore and head to the Western Pacific, with a US military official telling CNN that it was a "show of force" in response to North Korea's provocations.

Following the announcement, President Donald Trump and some of his top aides highlighted the deployment as part of the administration's response to Pyongyang's recent missile tests.
"We are sending an armada. Very powerful. We have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the aircraft carrier, that I can tell you," Trump said in an interview with Fox Business Network..
..................

Judi Lynn

(160,514 posts)
45. Donald Trump Told North Korea He Was Sending an 'Armada.' It Was Actually Headed Toward Australia
Tue Apr 18, 2017, 11:53 PM
Apr 2017

Donald Trump Told North Korea He Was Sending an 'Armada.' It Was Actually Headed Toward Australia
Phil Stewart / Reuters
10:23 PM ET





(WASHINGTON) - When U.S. President Donald Trump boasted early last week that he had sent an " armada " as a warning to North Korea, the aircraft carrier strike group he spoke of was still far from the Korean peninsula, and headed in the opposite direction.


It was even farther away over the weekend, moving through the Sunda Strait and then into the Indian Ocean, as North Korea displayed what appeared to be new missiles at a parade and staged a failed missile test.

The U.S. military's Pacific Command explained on Tuesday that the strike group first had to complete a shorter-than-initially planned period of training with Australia. But it was now "proceeding to the Western Pacific as ordered," it said.

The perceived communications mix-up has raised eyebrows among Korea experts, who wonder whether it erodes the Trump administration's credibility at a time when U.S. rhetoric about the North's advancing nuclear and missile capabilities are raising concerns about a potential conflict.


More:
http://time.com/4745809/donald-trump-armada-north-korea/

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
46. The admin can't even locate a fleet
Wed Apr 19, 2017, 05:30 PM
Apr 2017

UNBELIEVABLE
What a pack of ultramaroons
The definition of incompetence
Thank goodness we didn't elect HRC, she might have known where it was

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