Aircraft Carrier Wasn't Sailing to Deter North Korea, as U.S. Suggested
Source: New York Times
By MARK LANDLER and ERIC SCHMITT APRIL 18, 2017
WASHINGTON As worries deepened last week about whether North Korea would conduct a missile test, the White House declared that ordering an American aircraft carrier into the Sea of Japan would send a powerful deterrent signal and give President Trump more options in responding to the Norths provocative behavior.
The problem was, the carrier, the Carl Vinson, and the four other warships in its strike force were at that very moment sailing in the opposite direction, to take part in joint exercises with the Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean, 3,500 miles southwest of the Korean Peninsula.
White House officials said on Tuesday they were relying on guidance from the Defense Department. Officials there described a glitch-ridden sequence of events, from a premature announcement of the deployment by the militarys Pacific Command to an erroneous explanation by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis all of which perpetuated the false narrative that an American armada was racing toward the waters off North Korea.
By the time the White House was asked about the Carl Vinson on April 11, its imminent arrival had been emblazoned on front pages across East Asia, fanning fears that Mr. Trump was considering a pre-emptive military strike on North Korea. It was portrayed as further evidence of the presidents muscular style two days after he ordered a missile strike on Syria while he and President Xi Jinping of China were finishing dessert during a meeting in Florida.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/18/world/asia/aircraft-carrier-north-korea-carl-vinson.html?emc=edit_na_20170418&nl=breaking-news&nlid=57435284&ref=headline
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Docreed2003
(16,855 posts)lark
(23,083 posts)If his lips or tiny fingers are moving, he's lying. Same thing goes for anyone making statements for him, anything that comes from him, even 2nd or 3rd hand, is still a lie.
Eugene
(61,846 posts)The only predictable thing about Trump & Co. is that they will lie about anything.
jpak
(41,757 posts)none
DK504
(3,847 posts)maxrandb
(15,312 posts)over "we don't know where a fucking Carrier Battle Group is" anytime...and a hundred times on Sunday.
That "Strategic Patience" shit must be a new fucking Frank Luntz focus grouped CON talking point.
Shit loses it's "umph" when you've got Mike "always looks like I'm shitting a brick" Pence saying it, and you don't know where your fucking CARSTRIKGRU is.
READY, FIRE, AIM!!!!
Javaman
(62,510 posts)whatever. just more bullshit from this bullshit administration
BumRushDaShow
(128,717 posts)thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 18, 2017, 10:22 PM - Edit history (1)
Volaris
(10,269 posts)But but but her emails.
Hey Jill and Jackpine, is this still better? More like the Liberalness you were hoping for is it???
'We lost an Air Carrier Task Force.'
'Oh no worries at least no one giving Wall Street Bank Speeches'
. . . no one has to they all work in the WestWing now.
BumRushDaShow
(128,717 posts)(but can track a tiny cell phone to a tower)
This was the "armada" trump was boasting about. And "OOPS, um, actually, they're, uh, going in the other direction." Oh my Sweet God... There are some to whom I would ask - "happy NOW?" For others it would be - "and you're okay with this?"
Oh, but her emails...
I ache.
IronLionZion
(45,404 posts)Ordering missile strikes over chocolate cake. Faking out foreign nations with false ship movements.
Sure Donny, go on with your bad self.
maxrandb
(15,312 posts)Could you imagine the fucking media feeding fucking frenzy if President Obama or President Hillary Clinton HAD LOST A FUCKING CARRIER FUCKING BATTLEGROUP!!!!????
This isn't even fucking Amateur Hour any-fucking-more. I've seen cats trying to cover their shit on a linoleum floor that have conducted themselves with more competence than these White House and Pentagon fuck-sticks!
Let's bring the entire fucking world to the brink of thermo-nuclear war, and then say; "oops, our bad, the carrier was actually 3,500 miles away moving in the opposite direction...sorry"
I swear to fucking God!!! The SECDEF, NSA Chief, SECNAV and the fucking President ought to lose their FUCKING JOBS over something like this.
I have never seen a group of people with such Delusions of Adequacy. How some of these fuckers put on a Dog Damn star is criminal! Flynn, Mattis, McMaster???? Hell, I had 18 year old high school drop-outs from "bumfucked" Idaho with more sense and competence than those guys.
In the Navy we would have called folks this incompetent; "not so much of a has-been, but more of a "never-was". Or, my personal favorite; "this man was a bit of a Granny when he reported on board. Since then, he has aged considerably"
It's like the entire fucking White House, from Donnie Short Fingers down to the fucking Mess Cooks have all risen to the level of their incompetence.
It would be fucking funny if not for the potential to fucking kill us all!!
Orrex
(63,185 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)I hope, hope, hope, that 45's name never graces anything more than a garbage scow.
calimary
(81,179 posts)For Pete's Sake - the asshole is gonna get us all killed if he's not removed from power. And soon!
Btw - EVERYBODY: Please support your area's March for Science this coming Saturday (Earth Day, 4/22). If there's one scheduled, that is. Join in, if you can! We're going back downtown to Pershing Square. Where the Women's March-L.A. kicked off.
The more of these we have, the more momentum our movement in general. And the louder and larger we are, and the more difficult we are to ignore, the more likely that will carry us to through the midterms. And THEN we really CAN block trump's agenda.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Great fucking rant
More_Cowbell
(2,190 posts)either intentionally or unintentionally.
maxrandb
(15,312 posts)suppose NK called his bluff and began bombing the shit out of Seoul? The "Trump Armada" would have been 3500 miles away
Orrex
(63,185 posts)dalton99a
(81,426 posts)as usual
mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)North Korea showed two new kinds of ICBM enclosed in canister launchers mounted on the back of trucks, suggesting Pyongyang was working towards a "new concept" of ICBM, said Melissa Hanham, a senior research associate at the U.S.-based Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, California.
The Pukkuksong submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM) were also on parade. It was the first time North Korea had shown the missiles, which have a range of more than 1,000 km (600 miles), at a military parade.
"It suggests a commitment to this program," said Pollack. "Multiple SLBMs seems like a declaration of intent to advance the program."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-anniversary-idUSKBN17G0WU
One bomb could take out a Aircraft Carrier, people don't realise he has nukes, he can put them on ships or boats and hit any place from California to Japan. Trump is playing with millions of lives in his game of chicken. We must demand congresses approval for any kind of police action or the second Korean War!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)He keeps saying Kim has been ruling NKor for decades now.
He has gone from being ludicrous to being extremely dangerous to life as we know it.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...consumption so that Trump could act like he was a bad ass. The countries in the area should have just ignored the WH.
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...WE could just ignore the White House. And the House. And the Senate. And the cabinet. And 5/9ths of Supreme Court.
world wide wally
(21,739 posts)I cannot believe so much as one word I hear about anything going on with Trump or the government and that is all they ever have on the news. I wish the newsholes ccould figure that out too and stop wasting my time, energy and intelligence on news today that they will determine is not true tomorrow. I quit watching cable news again, but they filter their way even into DU.
I am sick to death of the fucking endless lies day in and day out.
benld74
(9,904 posts)elmac
(4,642 posts)no real reporters out there, they just wash and repeat what ever rumors show up on the net.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)how are they going to locate an Aircraft carrier?
Augiedog
(2,544 posts)sellitman
(11,606 posts)I deserve it.
DFW
(54,328 posts)Are we asking too much to expect the president of the United States to know the difference?
Oh. Really? We are?
Never mind..................
Ilsa
(61,691 posts)a mind-game. The generals should insist he be impeached over his lies, lack of coherent foreign policy, and general warmongering.
hack89
(39,171 posts)there is enough military firepower within range of North Korea to fight a big war.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)trillion dollar military.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)And
Whose decision was it to let Repug45 & team ramble on without correction?
It sounds like Repug45 requested that An Armada of ships & submarines be sent toward NK to show em who is the boss of this planet....
Somebody said ok we will get right on that....
Press Releases are sent out...
And some adult said ...
Gee...That is a bad idea... Let's not & say we did.
Meanwhile ....
Kim J. & any other leader with even a half-assed military organization
Surely had eyes on an empty ocean... & knew 45 was full of shit...
That's why NK press reported that 45 was increasing tensions with his aggressive words...
rather than claiming that an imaginary armada was the source of tension.....
Which means that Pencie-poo must have caught on at some point... after all he was in the immediate area ...sporting his black jacket & squinty rodentesque countenance..,
Interesting....
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)For those who remember Reagan, that comment is funny.
That said....Damn.
louis-t
(23,284 posts)They are going to get us all killed.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)are going to start a nuclear war - BY ACCIDENT! no less.
riversedge
(70,178 posts)Despite talk of a military strike, Trumps armada actually sailed away from Korea
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The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson transits the Sunda Strait between the Indonesian Islands of Java and Sumatra on April 15, 2017, after the U.S. Navy announced it had sent a carrier-led strike group to the Korean Peninsula in a show of force against North Korea's "reckless" nuclear weapons program. (Mc2 Sean M. Castellano/AFP/Getty Images)
By Simon Denyer and Emily Rauhala April 18 at 11:18 AM
BEIJING As tensions mounted on the Korean Peninsula, Adm. Harry Harris made a dramatic announcement: An aircraft carrier had been ordered to sail north from Singapore on April 8 toward the Western Pacific.
A spokesman for the U.S. Pacific Command, which Harris heads, linked the deployment directly to the number one threat in the region, North Korea, and its reckless, irresponsible and destabilizing program of missile tests and pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis told reporters on April 11 that the Carl Vinson was on her way up there. Asked about the deployment in an interview with Fox Business Network that aired April 12, President Trump said: We are sending an armada, very powerful.
U.S. media went into overdrive, and Fox reported on April 14 that the armada was steaming toward North Korea.....................
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/despite-talk-of-a-military-strike-trumps-armada-was-a-long-way-from-korea/2017/04/18/e8ef4237-e26a-4cfc-b5e9-526c3a17bd41_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_nkorea-840am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0b58b346cdb0
EarthFirst
(2,899 posts)Could this be a likely or partially likely scenario?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Declared that it would be so with no regard to the details. He also can't read his daily breifings, so he probably had no idea. Then being the fat stupid baby he is, he doubled down or just ignored what was being said.
riversedge
(70,178 posts)Seems to me the initial 'miscommunication" was the Overstatement and bragging by Trump!
Official: White House, Pentagon miscommunicated on aircraft carrier's location
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/carl-vinson-korea-trump/index.html
By Jim Acosta and Ryan Browne, CNN
Updated 6:02 PM ET, Tue April 18, 2017
Official: Miscommunicated US 'armada' location
Story highlights
Trump highlighted the deployment as part of the administration's response to Pyongyang
But when the White House was touting its "armada," the ships were sailing 3,500 miles in the opposite direction
(CNN)As the White House was talking about sending a naval "armada" to the Korean peninsula, the very ships in question were on their way to participate in military exercises in the Indian Ocean, some 3,500 miles in the opposite direction.
A senior administration official blamed a miscommunication between the Pentagon and the White House over reports that the aircraft carrier has not made its way to the Sea of Japan as an expected show of force to North Korea.
The official blamed the mixup on a lack of follow-up with commanders overseeing the movements of the Carl Vinson aircraft carrier.
On April 8, US Pacific Command, which oversees military operations in the region, issued a statement saying that the USS Carl Vinson and an accompanying strike group would leave Singapore and head to the Western Pacific, with a US military official telling CNN that it was a "show of force" in response to North Korea's provocations.
Following the announcement, President Donald Trump and some of his top aides highlighted the deployment as part of the administration's response to Pyongyang's recent missile tests.
"We are sending an armada. Very powerful. We have submarines, very powerful, far more powerful than the aircraft carrier, that I can tell you," Trump said in an interview with Fox Business Network....................
Judi Lynn
(160,514 posts)Donald Trump Told North Korea He Was Sending an 'Armada.' It Was Actually Headed Toward Australia
Phil Stewart / Reuters
10:23 PM ET
(WASHINGTON) - When U.S. President Donald Trump boasted early last week that he had sent an " armada " as a warning to North Korea, the aircraft carrier strike group he spoke of was still far from the Korean peninsula, and headed in the opposite direction.
It was even farther away over the weekend, moving through the Sunda Strait and then into the Indian Ocean, as North Korea displayed what appeared to be new missiles at a parade and staged a failed missile test.
The U.S. military's Pacific Command explained on Tuesday that the strike group first had to complete a shorter-than-initially planned period of training with Australia. But it was now "proceeding to the Western Pacific as ordered," it said.
The perceived communications mix-up has raised eyebrows among Korea experts, who wonder whether it erodes the Trump administration's credibility at a time when U.S. rhetoric about the North's advancing nuclear and missile capabilities are raising concerns about a potential conflict.
More:
http://time.com/4745809/donald-trump-armada-north-korea/
rpannier
(24,329 posts)UNBELIEVABLE
What a pack of ultramaroons
The definition of incompetence
Thank goodness we didn't elect HRC, she might have known where it was