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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:40 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,929 posts)

House leaders postpone vote on their health-care plan

Source: Washington Post

House leaders postponed a vote Thursday on their plan to overhaul the nations health care system, as they struggled to meet demands of conservative lawmakers who said they could not support the bill.

Earlier Thursday, conservative House Republicans had rebuffed an offer by President Trump on Thursday to strip a key set of mandates from the nations current health-care law, raising doubts about whether House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) had the votes.

Trump met at the White House with the most conservative House Republicans, hoping to close a deal that would help ensure passage of the partys health-care plan by shifting it even further to the right. But the session ended with no clear resolution, and some lawmakers said they needed more concessions before they would back the bill.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/gop-health-care-plan-hangs-in-balance-as-house-leaders-push-for-thursday-floor-vote/2017/03/23/6e8bf05a-0fbd-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html

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House leaders postpone vote on their health-care plan (Original post)	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2017	OP
You can be sure they will be back, or try it when no one is looking	still_one	Mar 2017	#1
In this case, the people who will still be "looking" (and talking to the press) are the Senators	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2017	#5
The Senate is the firewall. It would be great though if it never left the	still_one	Mar 2017	#7
Yup although	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2017	#11
I hope so	still_one	Mar 2017	#12
Suspect, ultimately, one man, Charles Koch, could agree	Hortensis	Mar 2017	#17
If they go to right on it	NewRedDawn	Mar 2017	#13
They need 60 votes to break a filibuster	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2017	#14
I thought they are using reconciliation	NewRedDawn	Mar 2017	#16
One of the phases of their "replace and repeal" bills was supposed to use that	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2017	#18
The problem is they needed to pass it fast	tammywammy	Mar 2017	#8
Excellent point Tammy, though I suspect they will continue this tomorrow	still_one	Mar 2017	#10
K & R	L. Coyote	Mar 2017	#2
Bahahahahahaha! Fuck Trump and Fuck Ryan. n/t	mobeau69	Mar 2017	#3
What Happened to Cheeto's "Art of the Deal" BS.....	LovingA2andMI	Mar 2017	#4
LOL @ his "sales pitch" tweet	BumRushDaShow	Mar 2017	#9
Woo Hoo!	mcar	Mar 2017	#6
You don't have the votes...	cactusfractal	Mar 2017	#15
Yes! The circus continues into the Sunday shows and back in the districts.	yellowcanine	Mar 2017	#19

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:43 PM

still_one (76,077 posts)

1. You can be sure they will be back, or try it when no one is looking

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:45 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,929 posts)

5. In this case, the people who will still be "looking" (and talking to the press) are the Senators

and there are not enough votes in the Senate to pass whatever garbage might come out of the House. There were 42 Senators who already signed a letter to indicate it would be DOA (all D + I).

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:48 PM

still_one (76,077 posts)

7. The Senate is the firewall. It would be great though if it never left the

house

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:55 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,929 posts)

11. Yup although

it still might not pass the House either because the further to the right they make it via potential amendments, the more moderate/swing Rs drop off. They can't lose more than 22 GOP members or it doesn't pass and from multiple sources, its running from 29 - 37 "no".

Because they are trying to jam it through in one swoop, it'll never measure up to satisfy all the GOP constituencies - particularly the hard right because they want the whole thing gone completely right now with no compromise on delays.

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:55 PM

still_one (76,077 posts)

12. I hope so

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:27 PM

Hortensis (42,981 posts)

17. Suspect, ultimately, one man, Charles Koch, could agree

to a deal and most or all of his house caucus, already in line, would stay in line. Of course, Charles and most of the Republican leadership all want to destroy it entirely, the disagreement over how big a sledge they can swing in this first stage. But what might they offer him?

"... have asked to eliminate much of the measure’s Title I, which not only mandates which benefits participating insurers must cover — such as mental health treatment, wellness visits, and maternity and newborn care — but also bars companies from setting insurance rates based on a person’s sex, medical condition, genetic condition or other factors. ...

The only existing mandates conservatives are open to preserving are ones that bar insurers from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions and allow children to stay on their parents’ plans until age 26."

Btw, "conservatives"? This isn't all relative. These people are extreme conservatives. Even the party leadership is very hard-core conservative compared to Reagan's era.

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:56 PM

NewRedDawn (790 posts)

13. If they go to right on it

Paul & Cruz will merrily sign on. Collins & Gardner the only moderates that say no. So who else will stop it in the Senate?

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:59 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,929 posts)

14. They need 60 votes to break a filibuster

(i.e., to call for a cloture vote) and they don't have 60 votes to do that thanks to the Democrats and Independents.

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:13 PM

NewRedDawn (790 posts)

16. I thought they are using reconciliation

which only requires 51?

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:53 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,929 posts)

18. One of the phases of their "replace and repeal" bills was supposed to use that

But there are specific criteria required to use reconciliation and some of the items that they have been stuffing into the House bill would not pass muster for "reconciliation".

Some info on this from this dKos post - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/21/1645811/-Budget-Reconciliation-Coverage-Mandates-and-the-AHCA

The current ACA was done in 2 pieces - the original Affordable Care Act signed in December 2009 and the later reconciliation piece tied to an earlier House bill (Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010), signed today 7 years ago, which amended the original ACA. The 2 pieces together form what is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that we know today.

The problem is that they want to do the simultaneous "repeal and replace" in one swoop and that blows the reconciliation process apart.

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:49 PM

tammywammy (26,582 posts)

8. The problem is they needed to pass it fast

Public opposition will only increase.

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:51 PM

still_one (76,077 posts)

10. Excellent point Tammy, though I suspect they will continue this tomorrow

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:43 PM

L. Coyote (47,118 posts)

2. K & R

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:44 PM

mobeau69 (7,359 posts)

3. Bahahahahahaha! Fuck Trump and Fuck Ryan. n/t

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:45 PM

LovingA2andMI (6,791 posts)

4. What Happened to Cheeto's "Art of the Deal" BS.....

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:51 PM

BumRushDaShow (73,929 posts)

9. LOL @ his "sales pitch" tweet

Link to tweet

Everything he says about the ACA actually applies to his bullshit plan.

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 02:45 PM

mcar (35,338 posts)

6. Woo Hoo!

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 03:06 PM

cactusfractal (329 posts)

15. You don't have the votes...

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Thu Mar 23, 2017, 04:03 PM

yellowcanine (34,683 posts)

19. Yes! The circus continues into the Sunday shows and back in the districts.

This is exactly what Ryan did not want. Resistance will build and knees will weaken more.

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