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Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:05 PM

Mulvaney: 'Only way to get truly universal care is to throw people in jail'

Source: The Hill

White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said Sunday there is only one way to have universal healthcare in the country.

"The only way to get truly universal care is to throw people in jail if they don't have it," he said on CBS's "Face The Nation." "And we are not going to do that."

In January, President Trump said a plan to replace ObamaCare would include the goal of having "insurance for everybody."

ďThere was a philosophy in some circles that if you canít pay for it, you donít get it," Trump said during an interview with The Washington Post.


Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/324699-mulvaney-the-only-way-to-get-truly-universal-care-is-to-throw-people-in



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Reply Mulvaney: 'Only way to get truly universal care is to throw people in jail' (Original post)
n2doc Mar 2017 OP
JHan Mar 2017 #1
Kimchijeon Mar 2017 #35
Igel Mar 2017 #48
alarimer Mar 2017 #61
elleng Mar 2017 #2
Ilsa Mar 2017 #3
DinahMoeHum Mar 2017 #4
PatSeg Mar 2017 #5
democratisphere Mar 2017 #6
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TeamPooka Mar 2017 #8
moreland01 Mar 2017 #9
LuckyLib Mar 2017 #11
YOHABLO Mar 2017 #15
LoisB Mar 2017 #20
ColemanMaskell Mar 2017 #57
red dog 1 Mar 2017 #25
turbinetree Mar 2017 #62
wordpix Mar 2017 #66
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #31
Tanuki Mar 2017 #10
briv1016 Mar 2017 #49
monmouth4 Mar 2017 #12
dalton99a Mar 2017 #13
MBS Mar 2017 #14
Vinca Mar 2017 #16
moonscape Mar 2017 #56
YOHABLO Mar 2017 #17
Leghorn21 Mar 2017 #19
Doreen Mar 2017 #52
MichMan Mar 2017 #54
theaocp Mar 2017 #18
Marthe48 Mar 2017 #23
Marthe48 Mar 2017 #21
red dog 1 Mar 2017 #34
Marthe48 Mar 2017 #36
bronxiteforever Mar 2017 #22
bucolic_frolic Mar 2017 #24
Alice11111 Mar 2017 #26
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2017 #28
Alice11111 Mar 2017 #29
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Alice11111 Mar 2017 #32
OldHippieChick Mar 2017 #30
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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:06 PM

1. such a fucking a-hole this guy.

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Response to JHan (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:44 PM

35. You said it +1000

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Response to JHan (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:25 PM

48. And yet there's a point.

Millions of people are being fined for not having insurance. (Okay, they're not being fined, they're not being granted a tax privilege for compliance with a provision in the tax code.)

Some won't pay because they resent being compelled. It's like a kid being force-fed his peas by a nurturing mother who's going to beat the crap out of him if he doesn't comply. Some open their mouth and say thank you, most grudgingly comply because they don't want bruises, but there are still some who knock the spoon so the peas go on the floor, then cringe under the gentle maternal pummeling. "Say what a wonderful thing this is and do as I tell you or it'll be worse next time!" mommy dearest intones in condescendingly loving tones.

And even those who should go in for annual checkups after all, it's now a matter that concerns me since my tax dollars will pay for their conditions if they worsen don't all do so. I've had two annual check-ups in the last 15 years, and those were incomplete--I refused to have numerous tests run or even scheduled.

But in general, people are confusing "universal health care" with "universal health insurance." They're different things. Universal Medicare would handle universal health insurance. But unless you lock me up and compel me to be checked over, it's not gonna happen. (Although with universal Medicare unattended to problems could cost the government a lot of money, and eventually it would find itself under pressure to reduce costs by making sure people got the attention they require. Sometimes at the end of a wooden spoon, if mommy is minded to do so.)

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Response to Igel (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 09:28 AM

61. More countries than not have some sort of universal coverage.

I don't think anyone in Canada is compelled to go to the doctor. They can use it, or not, as they see fit. Some things are compulsore like vaccines. The point being is that everyone is in one single risk pool, healthy, sick or whatever. It costs less in the end. Some countries get there by heavily regulating the insurance market, so it's private insurance but at greatly reduced cost. There is no profit motive. And these countries, whatever the model, spend a smaller portion on health care as part of the GDP than we do.

But the point is, the care is there when needed. People don't put off seeing a doctor because they don't have the money for the copay, which is what happens here. When they eventually do go, they are worse and it is way more expensive.

You are paying right now for people who cannot afford medical care who end up in the ER. The ACA only works because of the mandate for coverage; otherwise it would collapse. But that's because it is a marketplace-based model and insurance companies care more about the bottom line than anything else.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:07 PM

2. WTF!!!!

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:07 PM

3. He still isn't making any sense. NT

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:08 PM

4. WTF, he thinks prisons are 5-star hotels or somethin'?!?!?

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:17 PM

5. Aha!

So that's how they do it in Britain and Canada? What an idiot.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:17 PM

6. Rally cry: Give me healthcare or give me death.

This has got to be one of the most f'ked up countries in the world.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:20 PM

7. Can we please roll out the guillotines now?

I can't take these people anymore.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:22 PM

8. Every industrialized country in the world provides universal care without jailing people.

This man is a liar or ignorant.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:24 PM

9. That's a weird thing to say.

Seniors have truly universal care. So do members of the military. Medicare for all would release us all from the jail of having to pay for-profit insurance companies!

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Response to moreland01 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:31 PM

11. Absolutely! Get the mega insurance companies OUT!

And welcome to DU!

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Response to moreland01 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:37 PM

15. Medicare does not cover everything. No dental, no eye care. The military is

a whole other story. Medicare only pays 80% of costs so many have to buy a supplemental policy to cover the other 20% ..still having to pay private insurers. I am on Medicare and I have to do some leg work on finding a doc that will take Medicare patients.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:17 PM

20. And Medicare recipients still pay monthly premiums for the coverage.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:22 PM

57. Medicare part "A" is free, and parts "B" through "E" cost varying amounts and are optional

Medicare part "A" seems to be just hospitalization. That is covered for free.
If you want doctors or medicine, those cost extra.
For some of the "parts" you have to shop around to insurance companies to get them.
imho It's a nightmare of complexity to expect anyone to wade through, more so if they're elderly and ill.
I guess a lot of people must have somebody else figure it out for them, maybe a relative who happens to be an accountant.
So this "Medicare for all" idea sounds good but to me it makes no sense if you've looked at the patchwork of medicare.

The medical system the military has seems to work, but I don't know much about it. Most of the people in that system are, or at least start out, pretty healthy, so it isn't really a fair example for comparison; and if they get sickly, they tend to exit from the military and hence the primary military medical system; the VA medical care is rumored to have a lot of problems.

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Response to moreland01 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:26 PM

25. "Seniors have truly universal care"?

Source please.

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 10:47 AM

62. I have Medicare Parts A & B and have Part D

I collect social security, my Medicare is taken out of Social Security and has for Part D, I pay for my prescriptions at the 80/20 rate.

I am taxed every year for having Social Security I get a 1095-B form every year that said I had health insurance, just like everyone else, and if you do not get the 1095-A, B, C, or D from from the IRS you pay a penalty, Medicare would stop that nonsense, because everyone who has a social security card that is verified would get the notice, because you have to go down to the Social Security Administration to sign up for Medicare, I know you can do it on line, but at some point you have to go down and have a sit down talk.

At one time Medicare was 90/10, and then came Reagan.

Medicare cost me $137 dollars a month and my drug plan now cost me $33 dollars a month, it is a lot better than the for profit plans currently on the market, that these right wing fascists want people to get, who pay over in some cases $450 dollars a month depending on the family and there income, the apples to oranges cost is amazing, and "all" doctors when I walk into there office have to take Medicare, not Medicaid, but Medicare you are not denied, because it is backed by the Social Security Administration that Paul Ryan (Eddie Munster) wants to take down and have block grants to the state>

Block Grants mean nothing, it forces local and state governments that have to balance there budgets to make decisions to withhold funds from certain programs like paying Peter to pay Paul

" A consolidated grant of federal funds, formerly allocated for specific programs, that a state or local government may use at its discretion for such programs as education or urban development."

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:41 PM

66. FACTs: Medicare does not pay for everything & u still pay premiums

You also pay 20% of covered care (not everything is covered---dental NOT, vision NOT, etc). If you want at least some of the 20% covered, you have to buy supplemental insurance. And here's the kicker---not all providers accept Medicare.

So it is not "free" and it's universal ONLY in that no one can be turned away. The good part is that Medicaid-type insurance covers lowest income seniors, at least in my state. Also, I think Medicare premiums are based on income (not sure about this, maybe someone else can enlighten).

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Response to moreland01 (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:40 PM

31. You have to pay for Medicare.

The amount isn't very much compared to what private insurance would cost, but you do pay every month through a deduction from your Social Security check. And it doesn't cover everything; most people end up getting some kind of supplemental coverage to fill in most of the holes, which you also have to pay for. But Medicare does cover everybody who qualifies, and it at least ensures that if you have a serious illness you won't be rendered penniless or have to go untreated.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:31 PM

10. If he is that stupid and lacking in imagination, he needs to step aside

and let someone with the requisite knowledge, competence, and motivation take over. This guy reminds me of the Italian cruise ship captain a few years ago whose negligence and incompetence caused his ship to capsize, killing many.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:30 PM

49. You really think he believes a word he is saying?

Don't fall into the trap of thinking they believe what they say. They believe what they say will get them what they truly want.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:31 PM

12. It's as if they are truly trying to fail. guess what? You will succeed!

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:32 PM

13. Damn liar. The list of countries with universal care is not short

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:36 PM

14. Monster. n/t

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:39 PM

16. This is one of the nastiest, most hateful human beings ever.

Universal healthcare would be very easy to do. Put everyone on Medicare and pay for it via taxes. (OMG, THE WEALTHY MIGHT HAVE TO PAY TAXES!)

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Response to Vinca (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:20 PM

56. He is. His coldness at the presser was stunning - not only the

despicable words, but his demeanor, sharp clipped speech pattern, etc.

He gave me chills.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:43 PM

17. I don't get it: ''Throw people in jail" someone please explain.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:55 PM

19. "Three hots and a cot", YO! No seriously, it's one gag-worthy statement after the other from this

regime...just...beyond the beyond -

On edit - D'oh - apologies, I'm still stuck on his Meal on Wheels declaration - but say, I hear the medical dispensaries in jails and prison are top notch!!

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:02 PM

52. Slavery at extremely minimal care.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:29 PM

54. I think this is what the jail reference was about

Last edited Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)

In order for the ACA to work according to the experts, young healthy people were expected to sign up in droves once they realized how awesome it was. We were told that uninsured people were being treated regularly for non emergency issues in the ER (the most expensive), and the ACA would eliminate that because every one would be insured thus lowering costs across the system.

When young people figured out that the fine was less than the cost of insurance, and that enforcement of the fine would only result in loss of a refund, it was pretty easy to figure out that if you had a zero to small refund and could still go to the ER for care, many decided they would go without. Of course at that age you figure you are invincible. That meant that the risk pools were composed of those who required more care driving up the costs of their policies.

I think the jail part was a reference that the penalty for not buying insurance was too low with little enforcement and therefore too many people were still going without insurance altogether and sill using the ER.




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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 05:53 PM

18. Come on, people.

He's just pimping for the private prison industrial complex. People "just know" that those in prison are "coddled" with "free" health "care", amiright? Therefore, to the faux newz listeners out there, this makes sense. You have to have a preconceived notion of "the other". You know ... "them" or "those people". Looking at other countries is the same as thinking that we're inferior. You wouldn't do that, now would you?

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Response to theaocp (Reply #18)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:23 PM

23. You interpret trumpese very well

Thanks!

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:22 PM

21. Speaking of throwing people in jail

let's start with trump and his henchmen. And then we can work on universal healthcare.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:42 PM

34. Speaking of throwing people in jail - let's start with Mick Mulvaney,

he's the heartless bastard who, just a few days ago, said:
"cutting assistance to struggling senior citizens is one of the most compassionate things we can do"

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:45 PM

36. No one could say it

and not mean it. Just not possible to twist compassion into something so ugly just to sell junk. I bet his parents disinherited the little bastard.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:22 PM

22. Dark dark minds-but we resist!

😡

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:26 PM

24. Total Republicanism

the privileges of society go to those with the ability to pay

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:31 PM

26. I bet we have an uptick in people going to prison for

Med care and food, when the alternative under DT is homelessness. People who get out of prison & can't make it go back in for that reason. I may have to hit a convenience store or McDs, some place w an excellent camera system. Ill take a water gun.

It looks like prisons are going to get even worse as DT tries to make money out of them though.

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:35 PM

28. Every now and then you read about some poor soul who commits a crime

and then waits around to get arrested so he'll have a place to sleep and something to eat. We can expect more of those incidents, I think.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:38 PM

29. It will happen. Many will commit suicide, in various ways,

known and unknown. Others will do other desperate things. At some point of desperation, we are animals w survival instincts.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:33 PM

27. How odd. In Scandinavia there is universal health care even for people

who are not in prison - or maybe all of those people actually are in prison but they aren't supervised very closely so they're out and about, going to work and generally behaving like people who aren't in prison, plus they get health care.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:40 PM

32. In the whole civilized world, there is Health care.Insurance

Company care, at least health insurance company, is our top priority. Gotta pay off the middle man.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:39 PM

30. So we make it a crime to not have health care and throw you in jail

and once you are in jail you'll be covered. Okay. That's a dandy idea. Can only imagine how many people will be happy to go to jail if that means they will get health care. If I go to jail long enough to get my chemo, then how long do I have to stay after that? Is he fucking insane?

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Response to OldHippieChick (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:41 PM

33. Except your scenario is reality!

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Response to Alice11111 (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:48 PM

37. It will be either go to jail or die. Better

than spend more than your mortgage or die, eh? Sheesh

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:51 PM

38. He needs to spend a month in jail.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:52 PM

39. Anyone calling themselves conservative should be ashamed of themselves

The steeple people are the worst.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:52 PM

40. Silly me, I thought he meant throwing people like himself in jail...

And I thought, hey, that just may work

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 06:55 PM

41. He means in a private insurance world, not in a public supported single payer system.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:02 PM

44. well, gee, that makes it so much better

 

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:01 PM

42. He represents Trump and the Repugs!

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:01 PM

43. another GOP iodiot-asshole, FUCK this guy!!!

 

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:03 PM

45. Unbelievable!

This is the same asshole who said a few days ago that programs like 'Meals on Wheels' are
"just not showing any results."

He's Trump's Budget Director, yet last Thursday after being asked about paying for Trump's border wall, his answer was:
"It's up to somebody else to figure out where the money comes from."

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:09 PM

46. I saw him on Face the Nation..

and his parting shot was he wants to get rid of Soc Disability.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:24 PM

47. Every modern industrialized country has universal coverage without threat of jail.

The GOP must be getting desperate throwing out these kind of scare tactics.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:45 PM

50. Mulvaney would do it too. He would throw people in jail

and blame Democrats.

As if he's never heard of Medicare, Military, VA, or any of the developed countries with national health insurance.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 07:53 PM

51. that's actually a good f*cking point!

there are law-abiding citizens who can't possibly afford healthcare and murderers serving time who get it for free (well, at the cost of their freedom, of course).

there have long been stories of people committing crimes with the deliberate intention of getting caught so they can get some food, maybe there are also some stories out there of people committing crimes with the deliberate intention of getting caught so they can get healthcare.

in any event, maybe the party that pretends to care so much about incentives will realize they're giving people an incentive to find their way into prison.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 08:09 PM

53. Is there something like a

evil finishing school in this country that mass produces these types like cheap hot dogs? As soon as one trump lackey goes off the deep edge, another emerges.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 09:02 PM

55. or just GIVE the people care. god forbid you GIVE something.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:05 PM

58. Glad I missed this episode

My set doesn't need my 13EEEE print implanted

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:31 PM

59. im sure the north korean dictator would agree with him

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2017, 10:43 PM

60. I See...

So if people can't afford insurance you throw them in jail where they will get healthcare on the house. Interesting concept. That would work to get rid of Meals on Wheels, too. If you are too disabled and alone to cook yourself a hot meal, off to jail you go, where they serve three mails a day!

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 11:03 AM

63. So this is the change working-class whites voted for?

Bravo, well done...

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 02:13 PM

64. "Are we not merciful?"

How much does Social Security and Medicare cost compared to prison? I'll bet prison costs taxpayers more.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:33 PM

65. b/c incarcerated ppl get free health care?

What an ass

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:41 PM

67. I can think of many better reasons to throw Donald Trump in jail

I would much prefer he be able to tell his cellmate he was in for election rigging than "so people can get health insurance."

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Mon Mar 20, 2017, 03:45 PM

68. Because universal care equals insurance companies?

I think he's trying to say that you'd have to force people to give money to insurance companies by threatening jail.

He doesn't mention that, if you eliminate the insurance companies and go single payer, then you sidestep that whole thing.

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Response to n2doc (Original post)

Tue Mar 21, 2017, 10:44 AM

69. I am for "truly universal health care" for Mulvaney ...

and the rest of the White House swamp critters: Bannon, Conway, Kushner, etc

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