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Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:34 PM

Pence Casts Historic Tie-Breaking Vote to Confirm DeVos

Source: Roll Call

For the first time ever, the vice president was called to Capitol Hill to break the tie on a vote to confirm a member of the Cabinet.

Vice President Mike Pence presided over the Senate for the first time since being sworn in just over two weeks ago, and cast the tie-breaking vote, 51-50, to confirm Betsy DeVos as the next Education Secretary. The vice president has never done so before, according to the Senate Historian’s office.

That DeVos could not garner support from the GOP-led Senate underscored her weakness as a nominee, Democrats argued.

“She’d come into the department as a very weak Secretary of Education,” said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a member of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. “I think to the extent she thought she was going to get major policy changes passed through Congress, that will be made much more difficult.”


Read more: http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/pence-casts-historic-tie-breaking-vote-confirm-devos

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Reply Pence Casts Historic Tie-Breaking Vote to Confirm DeVos (Original post)
Jose Garcia Feb 2017 OP
msdogi Feb 2017 #1
barbtries Feb 2017 #10
Jose Garcia Feb 2017 #17
jmowreader Feb 2017 #25
IronLionZion Feb 2017 #34
Cracklin Charlie Feb 2017 #40
Guilded Lilly Feb 2017 #2
Wabbajack_ Feb 2017 #19
Guilded Lilly Feb 2017 #27
3catwoman3 Feb 2017 #31
Guilded Lilly Feb 2017 #38
cstanleytech Feb 2017 #48
sakabatou Feb 2017 #3
bucolic_frolic Feb 2017 #4
Initech Feb 2017 #5
Wabbajack_ Feb 2017 #21
Initech Feb 2017 #24
SHRED Feb 2017 #6
barbtries Feb 2017 #7
harun Feb 2017 #8
IronLionZion Feb 2017 #9
Initech Feb 2017 #15
Guilded Lilly Feb 2017 #39
Initech Feb 2017 #41
DeadLetterOffice Feb 2017 #11
gademocrat7 Feb 2017 #12
Blanks Feb 2017 #30
kelly1mm Feb 2017 #13
BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #23
kelly1mm Feb 2017 #35
BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #49
kelly1mm Feb 2017 #50
BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #54
kelly1mm Feb 2017 #56
BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #57
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BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #14
Equinox Moon Feb 2017 #16
dchill Feb 2017 #28
FBaggins Feb 2017 #29
FreeStateDemocrat Feb 2017 #18
flygal Feb 2017 #22
elmac Feb 2017 #36
bdamomma Feb 2017 #20
Rustyeye77 Feb 2017 #26
Guilded Lilly Feb 2017 #32
sarcasmo Feb 2017 #33
KewlKat Feb 2017 #37
mvd Feb 2017 #42
DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #43
elmac Feb 2017 #44
McKim Feb 2017 #45
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #46
Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #47
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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:35 PM

1. qualified?

Here's a game, name one person part of the regime who IS qualified!

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Response to msdogi (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:40 PM

10. you win.

somehow that seems to be the point.

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Response to msdogi (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:47 PM

17. Shulkin

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Response to msdogi (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:57 PM

25. You have to state what you want them qualified at

This particular one is highly qualified at utter devastation.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:23 PM

34. Trump appoints people to destroy the agencies they will lead

as in they are qualified to lead people down to certain doom according to plan.

So we now have DeVos who is qualified to completely destroy education as we know it. School makes people soft like snowflakes. She knows we need kids to toughen up and keep guns to fight off grizzly bears.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:37 PM

40. To her, children equal money.

Privatize the schools, give the federal money to the evangelical churches.

Educating children is not even an afterthought.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:35 PM

2. Damn all Republicans to political hell.

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:49 PM

19. Even Collins and Murkowski?

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Response to Wabbajack_ (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:01 PM

27. Yeah. Both of them voted yes for DeVos in committee.

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:06 PM

31. Well, double fuck...

...them, then. Their protest was meaningless.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:33 PM

38. Exactly. And they knew it.

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 05:20 PM

48. As I said they were merely token "no" votes by the Repugnants as they had every intention

of getting her into the office as their end game is to destroy the education system to create a vast uneducated voter base that is easy to manipulate and control in 10 to 20 years from now via the media.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:36 PM

3. Ugh!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:38 PM

4. It's all Pence's fault now

tar and feather him with the results

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:38 PM

5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Initech (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:50 PM

21. There was no chance there was gonna be a third repuke defection

None. No one should be surprised.

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Response to Wabbajack_ (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:52 PM

24. Our country is circling the drain fast. This is just one nightmare after another.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:38 PM

6. Repubs are evil.

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:39 PM

7. fucking bastards.

if we thought america has been dumbing down since reagan just watch.



i called almost every day but of course i'm in NC so my words fell on deaf ears. i can only hope that burr and tillis sleep badly and find themselves ousted at the next election.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:39 PM

8. Horrifying this is being done to public education.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:40 PM

9. America's school children have lost

When are people going to wake up and vote?

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:45 PM

15. We need to shout this from the rooftops: the GOP doesn't care about children!

The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! The GOP doesn't care about children! In one breath they'll blast Hillary for running a child sex ring under a pizza parlor, while in the next they'll pretend the massacre of 22 children didn't happen. In one breath they'll scream about education, but in the next they nominate and confirm a dangerous idealogue with absolutely zero experience as Secretary Of Education. Fuck them, they don't care.

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Response to Initech (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:36 PM

39. And in one breath they will defend that all life form is sacred...

Until that life form is actually born. Then it's tough luck and go live in abject poverty, kids. And piss on your mom, too.

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:38 PM

41. George Carlin said it best on his special "Back In Town":

"When you're pre born, you're fine. When you're pre-school, you're fucked!"

Truer words ever spoken!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:41 PM

11. Holy fucking hell. She actually got confirmed. Cue the flying pigs... n/t

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:43 PM

12. The rethugs own this

The stench of pure evil and incompetence surrounds this cabal.

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Response to gademocrat7 (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:05 PM

30. That's the way to look at it...

She'll probably damage the republicans more than the education department. We just need to make sure that her actions (and other cabinet members actions) are reported on widely.

This is one that I think the conservatives are gonna wish they lost.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:43 PM

13. up till 2013 this would not have happened. Some of us here opposed Reid using the nuclear option

and were shouted down. The chickens are now coming home to roost ........

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:52 PM

23. The "nuclear option" allowed the Appeals Courts to be filled

so that 9 of the 13 Circuits are Democratically controlled due to having those Democratic appointees confirmed once the nuclear option was invoked.

Cabinet members serve at the pleasure of the President. The Appeals judges are in for life. So the patting of your own back is silly.

Building Legacy, Obama Reshapes Appellate Bench

By JEREMY W. PETERSSEPT. 13, 2014

WASHINGTON — Democrats have reversed the partisan imbalance on the federal appeals courts that long favored conservatives, a little-noticed shift with far-reaching consequences for the law and President Obama’s legacy. For the first time in more than a decade, judges appointed by Democratic presidents considerably outnumber judges appointed by Republican presidents. The Democrats’ advantage has only grown since late last year when they stripped Republicans of their ability to filibuster the president’s nominees.

Democratic appointees who hear cases full time now hold a majority of seats on nine of the 13 United States Courts of Appeals. When Mr. Obama took office, only one of those courts had more full-time judges nominated by a Democrat.

The shift, one of the most significant but unheralded accomplishments of the Obama era, is likely to have ramifications for how the courts decide the legality of some of the president’s most controversial actions on health care, immigration and clean air. Since today’s Congress has been a graveyard for legislative accomplishment, these judicial confirmations are likely to be among its most enduring acts.

<...>

The imprint of the Obama judges is already being felt. In July, when the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit issued an opinion declaring Virginia’s same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional, the author was an Obama appointee, Henry F. Floyd. That court now has 10 full-time judges appointed by Democratic presidents and five who are Republican appointees. When Mr. Obama took office, the court had a majority of Republican appointees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/us/politics/building-legacy-obama-reshapes-appellate-bench.html


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8515351

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:26 PM

35. You seem to be claiming that it was a good idea to get rid of the filibuster. There are valid

arguments both ways. I thought at the time and still think that the filibuster gave the minority party an important tool to moderate the majority. Not many here were sympathetic to that position.

Not only is Devos now the Secretary of Education the President will be able to stack as many hard core judges to the federal courts for life as possible.

The real question is was it worth it? It is TOTTALY possible to think it was. I just don't share that opinion.

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 06:51 PM

49. No that was not my claim

What I posted was in reference to the culmination of the extreme blockage of Obama's appointees after the 2012 election, to the point where after major efforts and negotiations and compromises had to happen to get NLRB seats filled (since the board could no longer function due to the vacancies), Turtle basically directed that they would block everyone else.

I.e., the amount of filibusters and cloture votes skyrocketed under Obama and I see that apparently some on DU cheered this. In fact, there were those on DU who insisted all Obama need do was stamp his feet and pound the podium and "use the bully pulpit" and other such bullshit, to get his people an up or down vote.



It had to end.

<...>

The immediate matter at hand was the GOP's decision to block three nominations by President Obama to the influential D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Republicans refused to confirm Robert Wilkins, Nina Pillard and Patricia Millett not on grounds of their qualifications or even ideology but because they argued the court's workload doesn't demand more judges. That stance also happened to preserve a partisan division on the court that tended to favor Republicans.

"Enough is enough," Obama told reporters at the White House, applauding the vote. "This isn't obstruction on substance, on qualifications. It's just to gum up the works." He noted that use of the filibusters to block confirmations had exploded in recent years. Twenty of his U.S. District Court nominees have faced filibusters, compared with just three before he took office.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/21/first-take-senate-partisanship-nuclear-option-filibuster/3663141/


And no, Drumpf can't "stack as many hard core judges to the federal courts for life as possible", because Obama was able to fill many of the vacancies - the most critical being at the Appeals Court level because of the lifting of the filibuster for general appointees. In total (all levels), Obama was able to put in 329. Many of these lower appointees get in through "Unanimous Consent" and any Democrat can put a "hold" on such motions meaning each and every one would have to go through an actual recorded vote (meaning 30 hours of debate beforehand unless negotiated and agreed to for a lesser number of debate hours, etc) - assuming the Democratic Senators are on board to use the same tactics used by the GOP before 2014.

And as a note, the SCOTUS pick is NOT subject to that rules change. The GOP may consider heeding Drumpf and doing a nuclear option for the SCOTUS but then the question becomes whether the GOP can get enough votes to reach 51 (they needed Pence today just to get DeVos in).

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:37 PM

50. Trump along with congress certianly can pack the courts. Congress sets the number of Judges

and can increase it at any time and Trump would fill all those vacancies.

So simple question - was it worth it for the Senate in 2013 to get rid of the filibuster for all appointments except SCOTUS to get President Obama's appointments seated given what that now allows Trump to do?

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 09:41 PM

54. Do you recall how Obama's nominees were blocked when the Democrats controlled the Senate?



The same can happen to the Republicans. Yes it was worth it in that instance because Democrats now control 9 of 13 Circuit Courts of Appeals where before that we only controlled 1 of the 13.

The GOP wants "less government" so the fiscal conservatives are going to eventually wake up and balk at any "increasing" of anything that must be paid for out of the Treasury. The rules are not set in stone and can be changed. Right now, the GOP is getting an earful so it's only a matter of time before the bloodlust dissipates. See the election of 2006 as an example of the citizenry waking up. You have a lunatic with a twitter handle who is wearing out his welcome among his party.

So simple question, are you going to continue to argue for all or nothing governance? Certainly I know Obama was hated on this board but the depth of such continues to be quite breathtaking.

And as a sidenote - and keep this in mind as I am headed out.... This entire system of government operates on a principle of an "honor system". At any time, any individual in power in any branch can break the whole system and then that will be "the end". I.e., the President can refuse to honor the courts and if no one begins impeachment hearings (or other criminal proceedings), then the system will be done after 230 years. Think about it. It's deep.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 02:27 PM

56. The same cannot happen to the Republicans because they control the Senate and no longer can Democrat

Senators block with less than 51 votes.

Of course I remember President Obamas appointments being blocked - that was what led to the nuclear option being used. Now we are seeing the fruits of that choice.

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 08:12 PM

57. Please look up what I wrote about "Unanimous Consent"

What this means is that those hundreds of lesser positions (including lower court judges) that one might think will get "packed" into office in large swoops, can be blocked by 1 person refusing to go along with any "Unanimous Consent" motion, thus forcing them to go through the debate process and a formal vote for each and every one. Someone would have to be present to object to the Unanimous Consent however. But doing this consistently will take up Senate floor time and thus generally forces scheduling for confirmation of those types of vacancies, to the back burner - notably because Bannon/Drumpf have bigger fish to fry.

There are parliamentary moves that Democrats can use that they have not used yet (maybe in some effort to "pick the fight".

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:43 PM

14. .

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:45 PM

16. Rural America will have NO SCHOOLS.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:02 PM

28. Mission Accomplished.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:04 PM

29. Don't be silly

Those are Trump voters.

It's the urban schools that will continue to exist, but without even the piddly funding they currently suffer through.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:47 PM

18. I would rather not hear anymore positive statements about McCain's character, just another lowlife.

 

But really that goes for all the rest of the puke monsters that masquerade as U. S. Senators.

I have zero respect for our government at ever level and all associated institutions, if I had the money I would no longer be a citizen or resident of this plutocracy pretending to be a democracy.

I use to love history and the traditions of the US it all now appears to be sham.

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Response to FreeStateDemocrat (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:51 PM

22. Yep they have all proven to be spineless

the war is on to take back the House in '18. these rep fuckers won't stand up to twitler.

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Response to FreeStateDemocrat (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:28 PM

36. McCain is a crook from the Savings and loan days

 

married into money and money was all he ever cared about. + he screwed indigenous people out of their land.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:49 PM

20. so are these filthy POS

going to have these children work in sweat shops again.

The repigs are evil and greedy. STORM THEIR OFFICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 01:59 PM

26. I was fooling myself when i was hoping McLAME and his gf , Graham might have broked.

The worst pick EVER !!

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:06 PM

32. Keep calling. Don't let up. Tell them exactly what you think of

their yes votes and that their stance will not be forgotten and will have negative consequences. Tell them your voice against them will last until they are booted out by the same people they have ignored and disrespected.
And tell them they are as incompetent and ignorant as DeVos.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:08 PM

33. Pence owns the future chaos that will be public education.

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Response to sarcasmo (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:31 PM

37. the dumming down of our nation.......it's what they want

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:38 PM

42. This is outrageous!!

The largest volume to Capitol switchboards ever, and not ONE more Repuke changes their mind. Only power and greed matter to these people. They won't even think about our children. They only respond to elections (because they have to), and we MUST win in 2018 and 2020. I still think Trump does something so bad and/or insane that he will be out well before 4 years.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 02:49 PM

43. The next time someone says Ppence would not be that bad"

Remember THIS day. Pence now gets to teach kids the exceptional sort of stupid that comes from American Christianity, which means the Chinese overlords will barely consider them useful as cattle feed.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:01 PM

44. Pence is much more dangerous then tRump

 

he is a rightwing terrorist.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:34 PM

45. Yes, But Pence is Unappealing to the "Christian" Masses and Small Town Folks

Pence will never have the charisma that Trump does. He is not exciting and the stuff these republicans will do to our country will be noticed. Pence will never get away with what Trump has gotten away with.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 03:48 PM

46. Secretary of Uneducation

Along with anti public education Betsy DeVos we have an EPA nomination who's anti environment and a Treasury Secretary who's anti regulation on Wall Street.

Thanks Dumbfuckistan. Trump truly loves the uneducated.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:21 PM

47. VOTE OUT EVERY SOB who voted for her, what a disgrace

 

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 07:38 PM

51. Pence is proud to be such an important part of the history that destroys

education, science, etc.

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:33 PM

52. Nothing says "qualified" more than having to use the VP to jam it through

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 08:49 PM

53. DeVos family gave the fascists 200 million dollars

 

money can buy you anything in corrupt USA

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Response to Jose Garcia (Original post)

Wed Feb 8, 2017, 03:55 AM

55. Felt this was appropriate.



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