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Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:37 AM

 

Now its the liberals who are arming up

Source: McClatchyDC

When it looked all but certain that Hillary Clinton was going to win the presidency, nervous gun rights advocates reported stockpiling guns and ammunition they feared would no longer be available if the Democrat won the White House.

The threat of Clinton presidency, along with several recent mass shootings, had led to 18 straight months of records in the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system for people seeking a permit to buy a firearm. Many were concerned the government would enact regulations restricting their access to guns.

But since Republican Donald Trump, who was endorsed by the National Rifle Association and supports gun rights, won the White House in November, gun shops anticipated sales would taper off. Shares in major gun companies fell, anticipating a slowdown.
Yet that doesn’t seem to be the case: On Black Friday this year, NICB processed a record 185,713 background checks — the most ever on a single day in the 20 years the system has existed.

And some of those gun buyers are what the industry calls “non-traditional.” Namely, minorities, gay people and self-described liberals.



Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article122697849.html



Whats good for the goose.....

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:38 AM

1. Fk yeah.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:47 AM

2. Civil war

On deck

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:50 AM

3. The difference...

We actually have something to fear.

All conservatives needed to stock up on was tinfoil to make hats.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:34 PM

23. This, right here.

Will ANY public voice say it?

We have something very real to fear. Weaponized and "legitimized" deplorables, who aren't satisfied with a "win". They're foaming at the mouth for violence.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:12 PM

151. Exactly. Not to mention the revitalized KKK and the like.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:12 PM

4. I'm sure the NRA supports us

&t=4s

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:49 PM

9. Needs a similar video ...

... for the Muslim NRA.

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:53 PM

33. They don't support poor trigger discipline!

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:02 PM

39. I know

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #39)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:23 PM

57. Guns should be secured so that children have no access.

I am all for gun safety. What I was referring to was Sarah Silverman waving a pistol around, even putting it under her chin, with her finger on the trigger. She would certainly benefit from some gun safety training. The NRA offers some good courses.

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

58. I'm sure it's not real. n/t

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:59 PM

63. Irrelevant

Treat every gun as if it were real and loaded.

My kid's air soft guns are kept locked in the safe with my real ones. If they choose to own a gun when they are adults, the habits of proper handling and storage will already be ingrained

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #63)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:13 PM

68. I agree

I have a ton of guns too

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #63)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:51 AM

98. On second thought

Sarah has no responsibility in the matter. As for me, I subscribe to the "thin the herd" philosophy. The more gun owner's toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the higher the average IQ will rise.

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #98)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:00 PM

140. Objective data to support your premise?

"toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the higher the average IQ will rise..."

Objective data to support your premise, or merely another self-validating bumper-sticker at the expense of others?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #140)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:26 PM

143. LOL, just my opinion

that those who can't control their weapons are idiots.

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:05 PM

66. Makes no difference!

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #66)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:14 PM

69. I agree

I have a ton of guns too

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #66)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:51 AM

99. On second thought

Sarah has no responsibility in the matter. As for me, I subscribe to the "thin the herd" philosophy. The more gun owner's toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the higher the average IQ will rise.

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #57)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:29 PM

72. You should know

The Daily Show isn't a real news program too.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #72)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:29 PM

76. I understand what the daily show is.

I also know it's audience. I am worried that the consumers of this fake news will copy the actors. Depicting bad practices is a disservice. The bad practices will be copied. The gangster grip was copied from television.

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Response to Hangingon (Reply #76)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:26 PM

79. The Daily Show still has an audience?

 

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Response to NobodyHere (Reply #79)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:40 PM

91. Point to you my friend!

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:24 AM

103. Avtually there is a real one.

National African American Gun Association

http://www.naaga.co

My neighbor is a member.

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Response to Kilgore (Reply #103)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 02:57 PM

169. don't forget about the pink pistols

 

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:12 PM

116. Rule 1 violation -

Every responsible gun owner knows Rule #1 - Never, EVER, put your finger on the trigger until ready to shoot. Treat all weapons, (loaded or not) as if they are loaded. No exceptions.

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Response to baseballguy2001 (Reply #116)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 09:05 AM

136. None of the actors

have responsibility in the matter.

As for me, I subscribe to the "thin the herd" philosophy. The more gun owner's toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the fewer nuts of breeding age are left and the higher the average IQ of the nation will rise.

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #136)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:00 PM

141. While generally a positive person

I've never considered an "upside" to children's deaths...

As for me, I subscribe to the "thin the herd" philosophy. The more gun owner's toddlers kill their parents and themselves, the fewer nuts of breeding age are left and the higher the average IQ of the nation will rise


Not did I expect to find such on a progressive site...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #141)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:21 PM

142. LOL, it's nothing more than the question

If you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler...........

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #142)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:34 PM

144. Empty hypotheticals notwithstanding

If you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler...........

I wouldn't.

If I kill Hitler as a baby someone other than him will lead Germany in 1933. War in Europe is all but inevitable anyway whether it happens in '39, '43 or later. It may end up better, the same or worst than what historically happened. But I will still have killed a child.

I am defined by my actions and ideals not by what others may or may not do.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #144)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 04:37 PM

145. In this case they kill each other

so their is no moral dilemma for either of us

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #136)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 09:05 PM

153. How precious, spamming DU with sick shit...

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #136)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:46 PM

172. please tell me your joking

 

i have a dark sense of humor that's always getting me in trouble.

i made and laughed at similar jokes.

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 09:56 PM

132. NRA is an assoc. dedicated to promoting guns from manufacturers so don't care who

the guns are sold to, as long as there are lots of sales for their puppetmaster gun manufacturers.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:12 PM

5. I am getting my concealed carry next month.

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Response to Missn-Hitch (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:27 PM

48. I got mine last year when they were talking about not allowing people on the

"No Fly List" (NFL) to have a gun. I have been on the NFL since 12/01. The list is full of common names just like Cross Check. It allows them to have automatic probable cause to violate my rights without due process to allow me to fight to get my name off of the list.

Even though I have a concealed carry permit now, I have not gotten around to buying a gun. I got it to waive around at airports when they give me the third degree for being on the list.

Big Brother has been in control for some time now, we just haven't wanted to put it all together. The Trump presidency will be taking everything too a new level, everyone get ready!

Just think of all of the deaths those new guns will cause.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #48)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:19 PM

70. They accidentally had Sen. Kennedy on it, too. nT

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:31 AM

95. That myth needs to die.

Senator Kennedy was never on the list. It was a different "Ted" Kennedy.

The senator got caught in the alias match, as many people do since names are not unique. He show is ID to prove it was not him on the list. He got his boarding pass and continued on. Yes, it was not a quick process and others around him did notice the delay he got.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:35 AM

97. Here's what WaPo said, at the time:

Last edited Sun Dec 25, 2016, 06:37 PM - Edit history (1)

" Sen. Kennedy Flagged by No-Fly List

By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 20, 2004; Page A01

U.S. Sen. Edward M. "Ted" Kennedy said yesterday that he was stopped and questioned at airports on the East Coast five times in March because his name appeared on the government's secret "no-fly" list.

Federal air security officials said the initial error that led to scrutiny of the Massachusetts Democrat should not have happened even though they recognize that the no-fly list is imperfect. But privately they acknowledged being embarrassed that it took the senator and his staff more than three weeks to get his name removed.

A senior administration official, who spoke on condition he not be identified, said Kennedy was stopped because the name "T. Kennedy" has been used as an alias by someone on the list of terrorist suspects.

While he worked to clear himself, Kennedy kept having to wait in terminals at Reagan National, Boston's Logan International and at least one other airport, his staff said. All of the flights were on US Airways. When the senator checked in at the counter, airline employees told him they could not issue him a boarding pass because he appeared on the list. Kennedy was delayed until a supervisor could be summoned to identify him and give approval for him to board the plane. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17073-2004Aug19.html

I wonder if they ever caught the terror suspect guy who used "T. Kennedy" as an alias.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #97)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:35 PM

121. Exactly. The senator was never on the list.

Some other guy is on the list. The senator just had a similar name.

The only way users can search the list is by name. Names are not unique identifiers.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #121)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 09:11 AM

122. Exactly. He was never on the list, just his name was on the list.

Therefore, he had quite a bit of trouble flying, though he was extremely well-known and recognizable. And he had trouble separating his self from the "T. Kennedy" terrorist, in the corporate-governmental no-fly nexus, despite his in depth knowledge about so many aspects of the gov, its functions and agencies; and despite his personal relationships with so many of the gov's key people.

I wonder what terrorist "used T Kennedy as an alias", and if that terrorist was ever caught. Definitely never heard more about that part of the story.

To put it simply, your quibble seems senseless to me, joe. There was never a chance that Sen Kennedy was a terroristic threat to security on any airplane. But the way the list functioned, the way it was enforced -- it was exactly like he was the one on it.

If you object to me "promoting that myth" (that Ted was a terrorist), I have always been a big fan of Ted, so you're barking up the wrong tree. I've even donated to the E. M. Kennedy Institute, when times were good. But if you're explaining away the incidents as a "glitch, error, confusion", your explanation has no foundation in reality. When U.S. Air repeatedly told our great Dem Senator he couldn't fly, they told him it was because his name was on the no-fly list. Pretty simple.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #121)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:41 PM

128. Unfortunately most people don't have the juice of a name like Kennedy to help rectify the situation

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #128)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:12 AM

146. You mean like show your ID, let the clerk see you are not the terrorist, and get your boarding pass?

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #146)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:30 AM

148. That's NOT what happened with Sen. Kennedy. You demand precision, but don't perform precisely, mani

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #148)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:51 AM

161. If you think I am mistaken, please correct me.


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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #161)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 08:48 AM

162. You responded to my post 97, which indicates you read it.

If you understood it, you already have your 'correction'.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #162)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 09:59 PM

163. Your post #97 confirms exactly what I said:

that the senator was never on the list.

Some other guy is on the list. The senator got caught in a name match. He showed his ID to confirm that he was not on the guy on the list, the agent verified his ID, and the senator got his boarding pass.

Had the senator been on the list, ID or not, he would not have been allowed on the flight.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #163)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 08:01 AM

165. It also contradicts what you said in your post # 146:

He didn't show his I.D., then get a boarding pass and get on the plane, easy peasey. He was denied admission and waited around, no matter what ID he had or showed, until supervisors came and over rode the list enforcement.

It never mattered that you and I know that Sen. Edward "Ted" Kennedy wasn't the "T. Kennedy"-alias-using terrorist on the list. The people who enforced the list said he couldn't get on because he was on the list. Which is, of course, the functional definition of being on the no fly list.

Or, if they were precise phraseologists, they said he couldn't get on the plane because his name was on the no-fly list.

If they really paid minute attention to detail, they said "A name is on the no fly list, that looks like your name but isn't, it appears to match your name but doesn't, so our protocols say that you can't fly because you're on the list, but you're not."

It happened over and over again, for almost a month. Despite him being one of the most easily recognizable faces and names in politics. Easily recognized by our side, his political enemies, and the public, most especially in DC and Boston's airports -- because his face appeared in stories in papers and on t.v. even more frequently in DC and MA. His face and name were largely known by the public since at least as early as a couple of high profile funerals he was involved in, in the '60's.

It's a shame you weren't in those airports to console and entertain Ted by telling him he wasn't really actually on the list. He had a lot of time to kill while he was waiting around, not on the list, and listening to your Protagoras impersonations would probably have amused him more than wandering around skymall.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #165)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:40 PM

173. That is one ticket agent in need of some serious retraining.

My understanding of the way this work is this:
Ticket agent does a name search (only way into the system).
If the name is found, the detailed record of the listee is presented.
ID of the customer is produced to show the customer is not the listee.
The customer gets his boarding pass.

If that is not the correct process, documentation needs to be produced.
Any "list" that is literally just a list of names is completely useless.

If that is correct procedure and the agent did not follow it, he/they needs to be fired or retrained.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #173)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 11:50 AM

181. That was at least 5 ticket agents, likely.

The whole situation seems to me like the American weaponized anthrax strain that got sent to Dem opposition leaders Daschle and Leahy's offices, terror attack cases that were never solved.

We never got the whole story, but I think that in this case there was some nutty rightie terrorist, who hated Kennedy, and took the alias T. Kennedy to push the idea that Sen Kennedy was a bad guy terrorist. If it had been a "One Ireland" terrorist, we probably would have gotten more detail about who this "on the list" person was.

So one of the top opposition Dems was repeatedly harassed, obstructed, and held in place pulling down exposure, based on a bogus "match". The Senator had serious personal security issues, getting bottle-necked and held up could only exacerbate the head aches his security personnel already had:

" WASHINGTON — Sen. Edward Kennedy, who buried two brothers killed by assassins, endured a barrage of threats on his life that continued for much of his political career, thousands of FBI documents released Monday show.

More than 2,200 pages of previously secret documents reveal Kennedy, the brother of President John F. Kennedy, received a constant stream of anonymous threats and warnings from members of the Ku Klux Klan and the militant anti-communist "Minutemen."

"We are after you," reads one unsigned letter sent to the senator's office in 1969, a year after his brother Sen. Robert F. Kennedy was shot and killed. "One of us will get you." "

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-14-kennedy-fbi-files_N.htm


After Ridge "cleared up" the issue, 5 weeks after the first "false match" incident, it happened again:

" ... Between March 1 and April 6, airline agents tried to block Mr. Kennedy from boarding airplanes on five occasions because his name resembled an alias used by a suspected terrorist who had been barred from flying on airlines in the United States, his aides and government officials said. ...

''He said, 'We can't give it to you,''' Mr. Kennedy said, describing an encounter with an airline agent to the rapt audience. '''You can't buy a ticket to go on the airline to Boston.' I said, 'Well, why not?' He said, 'We can't tell you.'''

''Tried to get on a plane back to Washington,'' Mr. Kennedy continued. '''You can't get on the plane.' I went up to the desk and said, 'I've been getting on this plane, you know, for 42 years. Why can't I get on the plane?'''

...

In Mr. Kennedy's case, airline supervisors ultimately overruled the ticket agents in each instance and allowed him to board the plane. But it took several weeks for the Department of Homeland Security to clear the matter up altogether, the senator's aides said.

Just days after Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge called Mr. Kennedy in early April to apologize and to promise that the problems would be resolved, another airline agent tried to stop Mr. Kennedy from boarding a plane yet again.

...

Lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union said they did not know how many people had been mistakenly placed on watch lists. But they said the sluggish responses from the airline and the government to Mr. Kennedy's efforts to clear his name demonstrated the absurdity of the no-fly system.

...

He said, to much laughter, that he did not believe the mistake was a conspiracy engineered by his Republican colleagues. And as Mr. Hutchinson offered up his apologies, Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, responded jokingly in kind.

Mr. Hutchinson said, ''Senator, we do regret that inconvenience to you.''

Mr. Hatch said, ''Quit smiling when you say that.'' "

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/us/senator-terrorist-a-watch-list-stops-kennedy-at-airport.html


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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #95)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 08:44 PM

131. I don't think they mean it was Ted Kennedy the Senator

that was the terrorist, just the name part like me.

I was told by my FBI agent (they assigned me one to supposedly help me through faster as I fly a lot, he never answered his phone) that he wasn't supposed to tell me why I was on the list. Then he told me a terrorist from South Yemen used my name as an alias once. I call bull shit on that, what Yemeni terrorist looks Scottish?

The No Fly List is a bull shit excuse to invade our privacy!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #131)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:15 AM

147. You did not listen to the agent.

He said the terrorist used an alias similar to your name.
He did NOT say the terrorist used your photo as an ID.

The only method of look up that the airport clerks have is by name, which is not a unique ID.
When you get a name match, you then show your ID to confirm you are not the subject on the list, then you get your boarding pass. Just like what happened to Senator Kennedy.

Yes, the No Fly List is complete nonsense.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #147)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:38 AM

149. He said there are 15 points the system uses to check a name.

A similar name would ensnare you, but he said that my exact name was used. My name is a Scottish name which would not fit right for a person of Arabic origins. That would, to me, be a red flag unless the Yemeni terrorist looked Anglo.

The No Fly List is full of common names, much like Cross Check, without the emphasis on minority surnames. They never take a name off of the list, only add more. This automatically gives them a higher level of scrutiny for those of us unfortunate enough to be included on the list.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 08:35 PM

130. Whoa, sorry to hear about your NFL troubles. That really sucks.

It's going to get really interesting these next few years. Be safe! Happy New Year!

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:24 PM

6. You betcha.

Alt-dumbasses might want to think twice about fucking with this liberal.
After all, who's really defending the Constitution here?

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:27 PM

7. I just don't buy this report.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:49 PM

10. I do. If I didn't live in NY, I would be one of the people arming myself and taking lessons.

 

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:36 PM

27. I believe it.

People I never thought would think it are discussing it.

I'm thinking too.

And I'm a crack shot. (Yes, I'm bragging )

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:01 PM

38. I know more liberals who have been packing heat for years than I do conservatives.

Most of them are hunters. The notions that all liberals hate guns and hunting are myths. There are a lot more of them out there than anyone realizes. And, the RWNJs are free to continue to believe those myths. They do so at their own peril.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:11 PM

42. .

interesting. didn't know that.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:54 PM

59. thats why many ballot initiatives fail; many on the left vote 'no"

 

I'm in the same category as you; i know many gun owners who were also hillary voters!

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:56 PM

61. Same here nt

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:07 AM

164. You are absolutely right. I know plenty of liberals who pack heat

As much as the conservatives I know.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:27 AM

94. Why not? There was some of this during the Bush years too.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5621612

OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-17-05 04:04 PM
Original message
Have you purchased a gun (or thought about it) cause of Bush?

I did and am getting responses from others here that have either bought one or more or who are considering it. Most, like me, don't really like the idea of having a gun in the house, but now feel it may be necessary.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:50 PM

117. I know a few people that are buying guns

Just in case they have to defend themselves against rightwing supremacists. They're getting very bold. I saw a truck the other day flying a huge confederate flag on the back. I've never seen that before and I'm pretty old.

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Response to rockfordfile (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 11:11 PM

135. I do..

because I've thought of this myself.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 12:39 PM

8. I believe it..........

Even my sister who's always been a gun control freak is buying a pistol.

Personally, I've always been armed. When seconds count in a self-defense situation, the cops are minutes away. And I've got a big mouth politically in a right-wing state. I'm NOT going to shut up and if somebody wants to TRY and shut me up, they will pay for the privilege of attempting it.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:08 PM

11. This is sad

I mean, I understand the impulse. But how many stop to think of the greater risk to yourself from having a gun in the household?

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Response to mainer (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:25 PM

19. The odds of death by a firearm is increased a thousand-fold is my guess.. not sure of exact #'s..

 


Handguns are the scourge, not so much rifles or shotguns IMO.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:09 PM

54. Guns definitely increase your chance of death.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #54)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 08:13 PM

87. So do owning belts as Robin Williams found out

But as I've learned it doesn't matter what the subject is, the only deaths that matter are the ones that fit the narrative that is being spun.

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Response to Lokilooney (Reply #87)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 03:46 PM

137. What a repulsive thing to say. And so wrong.

Belts don't increase your chance of suicide. Guns have been definitely found to increase your risk of taking your own life.

In 2006, after years of suicides among young men in the Israel Defense Forces, authorities forbade the troops from bringing their rifles home on weekends. Suicides dropped by 40 percent, according to a 2010 study by psychiatrists with the IDF and the Sheba Medical Center.


http://www.stripes.com/news/experts-restricting-troops-access-to-firearms-is-necessary-to-reduce-rate-of-suicides-1.199216

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Response to Lokilooney (Reply #87)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 12:09 PM

150. Congratulations. You've made the most asinine post in this thread.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:41 PM

126. Yes - by all means - let's keep puking forth this "scholarship" from Hemenway and Kellerman.

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #126)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 03:49 PM

138. Keep puking up that NRA propaganda, it's been working out so well for us.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #138)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 10:44 PM

174. Arguments you can't deal with automatically become "NRA talking points".


Pathetic, but entirely predictable. You're completely incapable of intelligently responding to well-articulated and honest posts such as those I linked to. You are the classic example of the person who gets upset when introduced to information that conflicts with his/her faith-based beliefs --- and whose ego doesn't allow them to consider the possibility that they don't know everything about everything.

http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/

......it's been working out so well for us.

Your one sentence response makes absolutely no sense, given the fact that damn near everyone knows that "gun control" is a political loser.

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #174)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:14 PM

175. I see all you have is insults. You attack me as "pathetic," and driven by "ego."

No pablo_marmol, I am driven by facts. I already addressed the issue up thread. As I said above, guns have been definitely found to increase your risk of taking your own life.

In 2006, after years of suicides among young men in the Israel Defense Forces, authorities forbade the troops from bringing their rifles home on weekends. Suicides dropped by 40 percent, according to a 2010 study by psychiatrists with the IDF and the Sheba Medical Center.


http://www.stripes.com/news/experts-restricting-troops-access-to-firearms-is-necessary-to-reduce-rate-of-suicides-1.199216

Common sense gun control is not a political loser. And it is certainly not a moral loser.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #175)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 11:40 PM

176. "I see all you have is insults."

Says the person who slung out the "NRA propaganda" remark!

"No pablo_marmol, I am driven by facts."

Your link describes a rather narrow band of the population --- certainly not representative of the population at large.

"Common sense gun control is not a political loser."

Takes a set of brass ones to claim to possess common sense when you support banning rifles based on the way they look rather than function. And if you think we haven't paid a political price for (one example) going after the most popular rifle in the country for no good reason, you can't be reasoned with.

"And it is certainly not a moral loser."

The CDC disagrees, insofar as they've conceded that defensive gun use is at least as common as offensive gun use.

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #176)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 01:33 AM

177. Unlike you, I attack the argument, not the person.

Other than accusing me of having "brass ones," you fail to explain how that Isreali example does not establish the fact.

And the CDC says no such thing regarding defensive gun use. In fact, the CDC has offeered no conclusions about guns ever since it was silenced by the NRA, who got the Republican Congress to effectively prohibit the CDC from studying gun violence way back in 1997, and has maintained that ban to this day.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/286847-gop-blocks-dem-attempts-to-allow-federal-gun-research

Like climate change deniers, the gun industry hates facts.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #177)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 03:31 AM

178. LOL! As if accusing me of reciting "NRA propaganda" was intended as a compliment!

Here are the honest and thoughtful posts you describe as "NRA propaganda". I'll let DU members with integrity judge for themselves:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x334436

http://rkba.org/research/kleck/targeting-guns.html

You clearly think that those following this thread are lacking in intelligence to claim that you're attacking the argument only.

......you fail to explain how that Isreali example does not establish the fact.

Your example pertains to soldiers -- the apparent implication being that results of the study can be applied to the population as a whole. Apples and oranges. Further, while it has been demonstrated that higher gun populations result in more suicide by gun, the overall suicide rate remains constant. People - generally men - simply find another highly lethal method of ending their lives. Gun restriction supporters have demonstrated over and over again that the only deaths that matter are gun deaths. Compassionate liberals my ass.

And the CDC says no such thing regarding defensive gun use.

Oh reeeeally?

Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

Plug the paragraph in quotes and sentence above it into google and the following is the top entry:
Edited to amend: It was at one time the top entry. Not now.

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

Not surprised you'd be unaware of this latest paper, given the fact that you don't do honest homework, and the media suppresses information that conflicts with the "gun control" narrative.

........ever since it was silenced by the NRA,........

Another in an infinite list of lies/talking points of the gun restriction movement. What Congress actually did was to forbid entities advocating for a position to conduct studies (with taxpayer dollars!) on gun violence. And this, after a CDC sponsored "scholar" was found to have made a completely bogus claim based on an invented citation. Again, you wouldn't be aware of this given the fact that you fail to do honest research. Gary Kleck details what I've just outlined in his book 'Targeting Guns'.

Like climate change deniers, the gun industry hates facts.

LMAO. Pure, uncut projection. Coming from a team that has been pissing away votes and elections for decades now with lies/misdirection like "assault weapons", "gun show loopholes", the "epidemic to gun violence" and on, and on and on........

You Have a Happy New Year as well, SS. I've wasted enough of my time already here.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #177)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 03:41 AM

179. More bad news for gun restriction from the CDC:

Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:

“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

“Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:

“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:

“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:

“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:

“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #179)

Sat Dec 31, 2016, 03:56 AM

180. Those are not conclusuions of the CDC, but summaries of areas identified as needing more study.

The 2013 report you are citing is a report identifying areas needing more study, not actual CDC conclusions. The name of the document you are citing is "PRIORITIES FOR RESEARCH TO REDUCE THE THREAT OF
FIREARM-RELATED.VIOLENCE." And of course the CDC was not able to do that research because the Republicans blocked funding.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:09 PM

12. How to promote gun sales.

Well, the Democrats aren't going to take them away now (we never were, but fear based on bullshit masquerading as false advertising is about as good as it gets).

So, now "the lib'ruls" need to gun-up to protect themselves from the gunned-up rightwingers!

As rightwing, jackbooted thuggery disavowing rights across the nation gets impetus from the racist, sexist, homophobic election we just suffered through, "Fear" works again!

I guess a nuclear arms race makes sense to some people.

But I still maintain that none of this makes sense to a liberal Democrat.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:26 PM

21. We live in interesting times.

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:15 PM

123. Maybe not to "liberal Democrats", but a LOT of the left.......

are NOT "liberals", but are actual leftists who KNOW from study and sometimes personal experience, what the authoritarian/fascist right wing will do given the slightest opportunity. Of course, an "liberal" will NOT be the ones fighting the fascists in the streets. And yes, that's what this will boil down to pretty soon, as apocalyptic as that might sound.

It's ironic, that "liberals" are the ones who are and have been the quickest to call Trump and his supporters "fascist" without thinking the statement through. Leftists usually say that Trump isn't a fascist, but that some of his supporters are and that his biggest problems is that he ENABLES fascists. Or maybe that he is "proto-fascist". That's the phrase I use because I think he's a little bit further along than merely enabling. But either way, even a cursory study of history will show that fascism is predicated on PHYSICAL intimidation of political opponent. They're the schoolyard bullies of the political arena. And like any schoolyard bully, they won't be stopped with rational arguments, kind words, "love", or, in the case of fascists, the cops. They have to be made afraid and driven back into the shadows. And an armed leftist populace that WILL fight is the only thing that WILL drive them back into the dung heaps where they belong.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:10 PM

13. Hell Yeah, Yeeeee Haaaa

Let's give up everything we ever tried to fight for, because we never really meant any of it anyway, right?

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:10 PM

14. I don't agree with it, but this is the world they wanted.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:10 PM

15. True story

 

I'm a lifelong liberal FDR Democrat, age 72. Retired Army infantry officer; veteran of multiple Vietnam tours with the medals and scars to prove it.

I'm also a very friendly, peaceful sort. Am also a hunter and shooter who owns a lot of guns, most of them high-end hunting weapons.

I have several decals and bumper stickers on my gas-guzzling F250 SuperDuty that clearly identify me as a liberal Democrat. I live in a rural area dominated by Republicans and Tea Partiers. At least once a week, one of these assholes accosts me in a parking lot and mocks my bumper stickers. I usually ignore them.

A few days before the election, at the dump site (we don't have garbage collection, we take our trash and recycles to a collection point), a lard-assed rightwinger waddled up to me as I was tossing stuff in the recycle bins. He commented on my Democratic, Hillary, Obama bumper stickers then he told me: "You Democrats should be shot."

Normally, I'd walk away but this got under my skin. I asked: "Are you going to shoot me, fat boy?"

Pissed him off: "I just may get my pistol and do it."

To which I replied: "Fine. But you need to know that under the seat of my truck is a Smith & Wesson M1911 .45 loaded with magnum load hollow points. And I stand my ground."

He damn near tripped over himself, running to his car and roaring away.

I now have a pistol under the seat of my Mini Cooper and my wife's Explorer.

These sonsabitches are dangerous.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:19 PM

17. Looking for a little peace and decency?

 

Not on TRUMP's WATCH!

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:35 PM

25. LOL - I bet you made the guy fill his pants. Good for you.

I'm a former (female) cop and I sold my service revolver a few years back because it had been in a box on a shelf for more than a decade since I'd used it. Since Trump and the threat from the far right, the thought has crossed my mind to buy a new gun for protection. I never thought I'd find myself in this state of mind.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:36 PM

26. LOL

Good for you!!!!! These dumbasses that haven't even been in the Boy Scouts that thinks they are Rambo and they can do what ever they want. I now live in a very heavy military area, I see the same fat asses with their confederate flags on their F-250's 😉 in front of God and everyone. Knowing they will offend half of the public.

I bought my first gun, a Ruger .22lr....I know, I know a baby gun, but after W was elected, I had a feeling this level of hatred would explode. So 16 years later it has come into fruition and it's as bad as I thought it would be.

These people that haven't done a damn thing for their country as you have, need to look in the mirror and realize they are not men, they are potatoes.

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Response to DK504 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

28. An insult to the innocent and useful potatoe.

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Response to DK504 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:56 PM

60. dont worry about the size of the gun. Bigger isnt always better

 

Its harder to conceal a larger weapon and also harder to retrieve it.

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Response to DK504 (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:23 PM

71. "they are not men, they are potatoes"

More proof de-evolution is real:

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:38 PM

49. that is a great story

correct me if I am wrong, they like to dish it out but can't take it. Wow I wouldn't mess with you.

Have a good Christmas.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:10 PM

84. Out of curiosity what is a ...

magnum load .45 acp?

The hottest ammo I've ran through my 1911 was .45 ACP +P. I installed a stiffer recoil spring and a shock buffer to help reduce wear and tear on the weapon.

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Response to spin (Reply #84)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:29 PM

154. Well...

There is a .45 Winchester mag, at least one pistol was commercially produced for it but it has long since been discontinued. S&W didn't make one.

I just assume he meant a hot .45 ACP pushing a JHP. Maybe the poster reloads and primed with CCI 350s.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #154)

Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:11 AM

160. I suspected the same thing. I believe +P is the hottest 45 ACP ammo. ...

I've heard of reloaders who use the CCI 350 Magnum Primers when reloading 45 acp ammo. I used to reload .45 acp ammo but I just used large pistol primers. Of course that was about ten years ago before all the ammo and primer shortages.



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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #154)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 02:17 PM

167. Does that work?! Lol

I use CCI 350s in all of my straight wall (large primer) revolver cartridges. Great for big doses of slow burning powders, particularly when the outside temp dips toward freezing.

Never knew it could magnumize a .45 Auto. 😜

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:16 PM

110. These sonsabitches are dangerous.

I totally agree.. What they fear the most is an openminded individual with a firearm and knows how to use it safely.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:23 PM

152. A "magnum" load?

I'd be interested in hearing about a magnum load for the .45 auto.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:15 PM

16. I've had a shotgun and a few rifles since buying a large property in the Sierra mountains, however

 


not for the purpose of protection of persons, but for sport clays and target, the education of safe firearm operation and collecting beautiful walnut-stocked machines.

I do not hunt or kill animals except for gophers and ground squirrels.

As far as politics go, my position is that if you think that you need a firearm to protect yourself from a tyrannical government - then you aren't mentally fit to own guns. Any local gub'mnt officer isn't going to bat an eye about taking out a threat with a firearm ( you) - and the Fed gov't out-guns everyone.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:25 PM

75. Someone with some sense.

All arming yourself with a handgun is gonna do is get you or someone killed.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:22 PM

18. I won't join em, and while I understand their concerns, the reality is that a lot of those weapons

are going to be involved in accidental shootings

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:25 PM

20. Armed insurrection has a long history in America.....

Franklin Roosevelt once said,

“Remember, always, that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended from immigrants and revolutionists.”

It makes sense given that the orange menace has targeted those 2 groups from day 1.

It doesn't mean we are psycho gun nuts or that our gun makes up for some.....male inadequacy....it means that we are ready to take up arms to defend this great country from tyrants. AND assuming liberals won't/don't carry is false.

And screw the NRA....never been a member and never will be.

I'm a CHL holder and I WILL stand my ground against tyranny.

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Response to joewicker_TX (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:33 PM

22. If you think that you need a firearm to protect yourself from a tyrannical government...

 

- then you aren't mentally fit to own guns. Any local gub'mnt officer isn't going to bat an eye about taking out a threat with a firearm (you) and you aren't likely to shoot at a cop first -given the legalities after everything calms down. Besides, the Fed gov't out-guns everyone.

Sure, back when the nation was founded a flint-lock might do the trick. How are you going to compete with a rocket launcher or an armed drone?
Not very well.

Thinking that you need a firearm to protect yourself from a tyrannical government is insanity and it is part of the NRA's sales-pitch.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

30. Indeed, but I'm thinking most of us aren't thinking of holding back dumpf on an armed tank.

We're thinking of protection against shitheads at the red light. Or the store. Or across the street.
The scum unleashed by their Orange führer.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:49 PM

31. Sure, but not that's defending oneself from "a tyrannical gub'mnt".

 


That's defending oneself from typical right-wing-asshole civilians who do not work for the gub'mnt.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:09 PM

41. Yep. They're the ones from whom we're fearing *Immediate Threat*. n/t

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:03 PM

51. bingo!!! although, I advise caution...

The RW nutjobs are trying sock puppets here and elsewhere to paint another false equivalency scenario. Now RW media and it's so called "neutral" echo chambers are printing stories about assassination attempts and threats to the Donald.
Just as long as we are making in clear arming ourselves is self defensive and not offensive, we stay in the light of innocence, VS the radicalized nutjob territory the threat making lardass is clearly deep into.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #51)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:37 PM

77. Self-defense against your local kkkristian, yes.

Anyone who thinks us libruls are hatching violent plans CLEARLY
1) Doesn't actually know any liberals.
2) is a CONservative living in the Reich Wing NOISE machine.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:58 AM

101. But many of those threats to trump have been real. And public.

 

Hell, even here we've had several actually wishing for trumps plane to crash and kill him. This is the level many have sunk to.

Nothing wrong with taking advantage of the right that you have to own a weapon, just know how to use it and get a license. Not many gun crimes are committed by licensed owners

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Response to 7962 (Reply #101)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:54 AM

105. And I smell a sock puppet behind some of them.

Just a little tooooo much publicity milking from these, when similar threats to the opposition are largely blown off.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:35 PM

24. Yeah I've been thinking of getting a CCW myself lately.

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:43 PM

29. Trump is more likely to do a gun grab than get way with cutting social security.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:54 PM

34. Agreed, historically it is the conservatives who take away freedoms...

 


Freedom of speech
Freedom of gathering information
Freedom to protest
Freedom of travel
Wire-tapping
Unwarranted searches
Freedom to marry who you want - who isn't your sibling or underage (!). ( oh wait, that's still legal in the South)
Freedom to live in peace away from the threat of lunatic gun violence.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:51 PM

32. So now we enrich the same industry

that makes money whenever a group of people gets shot by some "lone wolf" whose internet search is idnetical to the other lone wolves, be it isis sites or Stormfront.

I can understand wanting to get guns, or even make the NRA less dependent on the mouth breathers, but if you go this route, do realize the people that made money off of feeding Kluxer fantasies about killing all them hippies and liberals just went "ca-Ching" like they hit the lotto.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:55 PM

35. This is not good for anyone and someone needs to tackle the issue of fools with guns whether GOPer

or Democrat.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:59 PM

36. thank you....

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 01:59 PM

37. The left needs to arm itself

This is good news. You can only count on yourself for protection and defense at the moment it is needed. No one else will save you, fight back. The right will show no mercy when incited towards violence.

Don't just buy a gun. Buy a gun and practice and train. Buy a gun and become proficient with its use. Teach others to do the same.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:12 PM

43. I've got a couple of Civil War muskets

 

does that count?

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:15 PM

44. It was the George Zimmermans of this country that prompted me to get my first firearm and CCW.

Dealt more than once with self-proclaimed neighborhood avengers loudly demanding the who, what, when, where and why of my presence in "their" neighborhood.

Mom 'n' Pop became gun owners after a tweaker tried to force her way into their house, knife in hand, while they were awake and sitting in the living room. Thankfully she ran away and was later caught but it spooked them into getting a pistol and making regular weekend visits to the range.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:18 PM

45. If liberals are arming up, it's a direct result of right-wing pro-gun militancy.

The Trump reich is the end result of decades of increasingly deranged right-wing lunacy, to which the pro-gun movement has furnished its whole-hearted, paranoid, brain-dead support. Thanks for absolutely nothing, guncentrics.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:21 PM

46. Armed Dem

 

I'm 66 years old and have been around guns all of my life. I've always had a .22 and a 12 gauge around the house. When Bush the younger got re-elected I started stocking up a bit. I live in a very red county in a very red state and have never had a problem when out at the shootn' range with my 1911 and my Bernie bumper sticker.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:22 PM

47. The fact is

 

Conservatives are pretty much salivating at the thought of raping/murdering anyone to the left of Ayn Rand and anyone who's part of any minority. Black, LGBT, disabled.

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Response to NCDem777 (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 02:51 PM

50. That's nice

Some of us are as good with guns and unconventional weaponry as they think they are.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:05 PM

52. I have similar plans now.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #52)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:42 PM

155. I think that's great.

I always enjoyed reading your posts during the 2016 primary. Just make sure to learn about safety and get some training.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #155)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:05 PM

157. You are absolutely correct. I will make sure to take classes.

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:05 PM

53. I strongly advise caution here!

Here's a thread the RWNJ's can extract and bend threads to make it sound like we're threatening them.
The RW nutjobs are trying sock puppets here and elsewhere to paint another false equivalency scenario. Now RW media and it's so called "neutral" echo chambers are printing stories about assassination attempts and threats to the Donald.
Just as long as we are making it very, very clear that arming ourselves is purely self defensive and not offensive, we stay in the light of innocence.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:15 PM

55. Our very existence is "threat" to large segements of the right

Let them feel uncomfortable.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #55)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:36 PM

80. Discomfort, yes. Handing them rhetorical ammunition.... yikes.

Certainly FOX and other RW noise machines don't possess any scruples when it comes to twisting any "leftist" words they can find to make us out to be terrorists. This appears to be their latest angle.

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:02 PM

65. Theres nothing threatening in the article. reverse the parties & the story is the same

 

No one in the article is talking about going out and doing anything. And the right has always had stories about getting a gun and defending yourself

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Response to 7962 (Reply #65)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:38 PM

81. You speak-a truth. Something RW media is unfamiliar with... and...

Certainly FOX and other RW noise machines don't possess any scruples when it comes to twisting any "leftist" words they can find to make us out to be terrorists. This appears to be their latest angle.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:22 PM

56. My husband wants to get a gun

Something we had never considered. But I am the daughter of an Auschwitz survivor and I see the parallels. Dont want to wake up and find out there is no water in the shower.

The Clash said it well:
When they kick in your front door, how you gonna come, with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?


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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:59 PM

62. Yup. Gotta defend yourself.

This government sure won't.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 03:59 PM

64. Nonsense.

“When it looked all but certain that Hillary Clinton was going to win the presidency, nervous gun rights advocates reported stockpiling guns and ammunition they feared would no longer be available if the Democrat won the White House.”

A 'fear' completely devoid of merit.

Just as that ‘fear’ was completely unwarranted when Obama was president.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Reply #64)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:06 PM

67. Is it?

Wasn't she campaigning on creating a new assault weapon ban? Depending how assault weapon would be defined this time, that could mean many models of gun would no longer be available.

Also the article does not say such fear is, or ever was, rational.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 04:36 PM

73. I'm taking my inherited guns to a gunsmith to get them checked out.

I'm also looking into buying a M1911 45. This is not what I wanted but the reality is that these Trumpers are a lot more violently inclined than we are and they respect force above all.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #73)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:49 PM

111. Why do you want a .45? Just curious.

 

I see so many folks picking that particular weapon. I've always had the opinion that size was too big for carrying & the recoil too much for many to get off a 2nd accurate shot
I'm not being critical, just wondering

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Response to 7962 (Reply #111)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:57 PM

115. I like the design and heft.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #111)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:52 PM

129. The 45 can be a bit much for some. It's not my favorite for the reasons you listed

But the 1911 is popular imo because it's a single stacked magazine. That makes it nice for people with small hands. It's also is an iconic firearm that still holds up today. I personally prefer the browning hi-power.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #129)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 10:33 PM

133. My personal opinion is that with a 45 you don't have to rely on bullet expansion. n/t

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 05:11 PM

74. And they know this how?

"And some of those gun buyers are what the industry calls “non-traditional.” Namely, minorities, gay people and self-described liberals."

Do you have to declare your race, sexual orientation and political party when you a buy a gun these days...?

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Response to lordsummerisle (Reply #74)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:01 PM

78. Just your race - n/t

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:57 PM

82. Actually this isn't a new phenomenon

 

Those who "beat their swords into plowshares" will be plowing for those who don't.

Among the most motivated proponents of more and more restrictive gun laws are criminals and terrorists,
the reason for this is obvious to even the casual untutored observer..

If someone can craft a law that will actually ensure that guns won't get into the hands of criminals and terrorists, I'll support it but I have no idea what sort of language will magically persuade such people to suddenly start obeying the law.

The fanatical advocates of more and more "common sense gun control" are like the Little
Moron in the old joke, where he had his car taken to the shop and told them "The brakes don't
work, put in a louder horn".

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:02 PM

83. I have about a dozen guns that I've inherited from family members

and I'm keeping them.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:32 PM

85. This is sad

More guns on the street is not the answer.

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Response to samir.g (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 10:32 PM

90. Most liberal gun owners I know don't store their guns on the street.


They are secure in safes in their homes/apartments.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 07:59 PM

86. A Gun is not my preferred weapon.

 

I like an axe, can't be traced like a gun, just saying.

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Response to larry budwell (Reply #86)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 11:39 PM

92. Not bad...

MythBusters rated zombie killers:
1. chainsaw
2. axe
3. gun

The chainsaw was well out in front but the axe would seem to be faster to action.

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Response to larry budwell (Reply #86)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:34 PM

107. Never bring an axe to a gunfight, though. NT

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 08:34 PM

88. I still will not buy a gun.

Never. Many reasons. Whatever my thinking about law enforcement officers is, they are at least trained to use a gun. I'll leave some things to the experts. Of course if there were no law enforcement officers then I would consider getting a shotgun but I am scared of guns.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sat Dec 24, 2016, 09:16 PM

89. It's all fun and games until minorities open carry

If blacks, Hispanics, those of Arabic decent started open carrying, things would get REAL hot, REAL quick.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:09 AM

93. I'm seriously considering it

This Trump shit is very serious and I will protect my family if I have to.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:39 AM

96. I have 3 swords, several knives and a machete too.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #96)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 09:54 AM

100. Which is good if someone is within 3 ft of you.

 

What if they're a bit further away but threatening with THEIR weapon?
Just be trained

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Response to 7962 (Reply #100)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:50 PM

114. A bladed weapon is of of last resort imo.

Longer range is ideal for a firearm.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #96)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:36 PM

108. Distance is your friend against an aggressor.


You've turned away a friend if you choose a machete. Not to even mention the bad guy bringing a gun. It's weak bringing a machete to a gunfight.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 10:21 AM

102. I wonder if the cons understand that we know how to shkot

I learned about guns many years ago and retain my knowledge. I sure hope the cons understand that if they try to come after my legal immigrant wife and kid.

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Response to JPPaverage (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 11:24 AM

104. The notion that liberals are completely unarmed and defenseless isn't accurate.

Certainly the gun rights movement has been co-opted by the right wing for many decades. But that in no way means that a portion of this country's vast oversupply of firearms hasn't found its way into liberal hands.

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Response to JPPaverage (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 01:39 PM

109. "I learned about guns many years ago and retain my knowledge."

Knowledge isn't a perishable commodity. Shooting is. If you think that you're going to pick up a gun in a pressure situation and perform like you did 10 years ago (or even 1) you're kidding yourself.

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Response to JPPaverage (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:52 PM

112. They should understand it; there are 300 million guns in the US.

 

They have to know that a lot more than Trump voters own them!

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:44 PM

106. Merry Christmas NRA

 

This thread is a gift to the NRA. Guess folks aren't gonna try to ban guns if they are busy stocking up!

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 03:26 PM

113. Also many pursuing self defense and martial arts classes

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Response to Kennah (Reply #113)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 12:28 PM

124. Yeah I took the free introductory class the local karate center provided

 

I might go back in a few short weeks when I'm not so busy. I didn't sign up right away because of how busy I was with school at the time.

It made me feel good not only because of the workout, but because I was taking concrete steps to protect myself.

I'm thinking it'd be more likely that I'll do this instead of arming myself.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 04:52 PM

118. Everyday I drive past a gun store.

and everyday there is only 2 cars at most in the large parking lot.

this past friday, the 23rd, it was packed to the point that a line was stretching out of the lot causing traffic.

nothing says love, sharing, family and PEACE ON EARTH like an assault rifle.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 05:09 PM

119. I see the "inner gunhumper" coming out in many

DUers here, particularly those that were fond of the term "gunhumper" in the past.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Sun Dec 25, 2016, 07:07 PM

120. It's nice seeing progressives being progressive.

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Response to ileus (Reply #120)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 06:46 PM

127. It frequently takes a lot of pain for people to look at their biases.


Quite honestly, I don't think we've hit bottom yet. The sick, irrational hatred of guns.....and by extension, gun owners.....prevents Democrats from looking at the lies that they've been suckered into believing. Ego factors in, as people can't own up to the fact that they've been played.

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Response to ileus (Reply #120)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 02:48 PM

168. It's in response to a repressive regime that the pro-gun movement helped put in place.

Our resident DU Gun Enthusiasts have no cause to gloat about it.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #168)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:24 PM

170. 'Our resident DU Gun Enthusiasts' warned people for years that 'Gun Control Uber Alles' was a loser

All that, mind you, in the face of loud proclamations that gun control would sweep all before it and that
gun owners would either acquiesce to, or actively agree to, their own criminalization-all while
being portrayed as premurderous racists with small genitalia.

As see:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141651533

Instead, that false consensus effect helped drive the Democratic Party and the nation over a cliff.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 02:30 PM

125. My husband has always been a hunter

and a collector of guns. He is also very liberal. (He supports reasonable gun laws such as background checks, etc.)

Since the election, several of his liberal friends have approached him for advice about buying a gun and practicing and are making plans to meet at the shooting range. They're saying things like "if there's going to be a civil war, I want to be ready", or "if some crazy Trump supporter threatens my friends or family, I want to be able to defend us", etc. etc. so I'm not surprised to read this article.

I think most liberals, including myself, prefer a society where everyone isn't running around armed to the teeth, but in the current political climate, protecting oneself and one's family seems to be a more immediate consideration for a lot of people.

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Response to OnionPatch (Reply #125)

Mon Dec 26, 2016, 10:38 PM

134. Simply owning and/or carrying the firearm isn't enough.

You have to be able to pull the trigger. I know, it sounds weird but many gun owners do not realize that. It is against most peoples mindset to attempt to kill or injure another human, a total stranger.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Tue Dec 27, 2016, 03:58 PM

139. There's no hard data in the story supporting the premise.

The premise seems to be predicated on wholly "some of those gun buyers" and anecdotal interviews. There's no hard data in the story supporting the premise, simply inference.

Though no doubt, "some of those gun owners" are happy interpreting this as an expansion of allies in their quest for the sacred cow.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 10:44 PM

156. I'm a liberal and I'm very proficient with firearms

 

I once dropped an antelope at 300 plus yards with a wind blowing.

I once knocked down three flushed grouse with a Remington pump-action 870...boom, boom. boom, one right after the other.

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Response to rumdude (Reply #156)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:15 PM

158. Pretty darn good! nt

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #158)

Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:18 PM

159. Thank you! - nt

 

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 09:09 AM

166. The difference is this:

Cons rush to buy guns because they think they won't be allowed to.

Dems rush to buy them because of the things cons do with guns when they have power.

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Response to 7962 (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 03:46 PM

171. I never disarmed

 

But we will most likely use our guns to kill and eat game when GOP policies make us poorer

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