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Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:00 PM

Four Washington state electors break ranks and dont vote for Clinton

Source: Seattle Times

[div class"excerpt"]Only eight of 12 Democratic electors in Washington cast their votes for Democrat Hillary Clinton, who won the state in November.

In an act of symbolic protest, three electors voted for former Secretary of State Colin Powell, and one cast a vote for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American elder from South Dakota.

Its the first time in four decades that the states electors have broken from the popular vote for president. Washingtons 12 electors met Monday afternoon in the state Capitol to complete the constitutional formality.
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After the vote, several electors said they hoped the attention to the event would carry forward into the future and possibly result in the system being replaced by a national popular vote......


Read more: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/four-washington-electors-break-ranks-and-dont-vote-for-clinton/



wtf

Yeah, because no one would've noticed if you hadn't thrown away your vote. Not even to Bernie, but Colin Powell and Faith Spotted Eagle?

wtf

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Reply Four Washington state electors break ranks and dont vote for Clinton (Original post)
uppityperson Dec 2016 OP
KT2000 Dec 2016 #1
George II Dec 2016 #2
NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #13
George II Dec 2016 #20
Chasstev365 Dec 2016 #26
AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #3
greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #4
Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #5
LisaL Dec 2016 #6
PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #8
LisaL Dec 2016 #10
PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #12
rpannier Dec 2016 #32
pnwmom Dec 2016 #15
Kittycow Dec 2016 #22
pnwmom Dec 2016 #23
Kittycow Dec 2016 #24
JCanete Dec 2016 #7
Initech Dec 2016 #11
George II Dec 2016 #21
groundloop Dec 2016 #25
LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #28
BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #9
orleans Dec 2016 #14
kudzu22 Dec 2016 #16
BBG Dec 2016 #33
LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #17
Shrek Dec 2016 #18
Lulu KC Dec 2016 #19
LenaBaby61 Dec 2016 #29
FXSTD Dec 2016 #27
TomCADem Dec 2016 #30
SunSeeker Dec 2016 #31
Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #34
Wabbajack_ Dec 2016 #35

Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:01 PM

1. Attention -

the wrong kind. What jerks.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:02 PM

2. "Symbolic protest"? What were they protesting, reality?

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Response to George II (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:16 PM

13. they're protesting

that Sanders didn't win the nomination, I would imagine.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:42 PM

20. In other words, reality.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:32 PM

26. You don't know that!

 

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:03 PM

3. Whut

wat


I don't even

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:04 PM

4. Oy.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:05 PM

5. Can't wait to read Chumps tweets on this

JHC.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:06 PM

6. It doesn't matter but would have been a horrible problem if she got 270 votes and lost the

presidency because of people like that.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:10 PM

8. They wouldn't have done that if her getting 270 was a realistic possibility. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:11 PM

10. Before the election several of them from Washington state were already saying

they won't vote for her.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:13 PM

12. People say and do many things when it doesn't matter. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 08:10 PM

32. Yeah talk is cheap when you figure it won't matter

Most people thought she'd bury Il Douche, so they felt safe in making those statements
When the reality strikes and their stupid decisions have consequences, people think twice

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:24 PM

15. Not true. At least a couple were grandstanding know-it-alls

who made the announcement long ago.

Our state needs to be a lot more careful about who it chooses to be its electors.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:47 PM

22. Yep I clearly remember that one guy pledging Clinton

and afterwards saying that even if he had the deciding vote he wouldn't vote for her. And the Democratic leadership was brushing it under the rug.

Was that you telling about the meeting? Caucus? (I don't quite understand those. )

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Response to Kittycow (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:51 PM

23. I wasn't there for that -- I believe it happened after the caucuses.

So some people voted for him as a Bernie delegate not knowing that he would refuse to support the ultimate nominee. A*hole.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:04 PM

24. Thanks for your reply :)

My husband and I are trying to find a balance to keep informed yet keep our mental health. I want to find a way to fight back so I'm trying to educate the people around me, to start with.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:10 PM

7. This will not do what they think it's going to do. If you don't break ranks from the Republican

 

nominee, or at least the winning candidate, there's no reason for anybody on the right to give a shit. They're fine with it, really, and you can't get changes to election laws unless they're deemed unconstitutional in this nation if one side is always benefitting from the status quo.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:11 PM

11. And the fuckhead deplorables are loving this on Twitter.

I swear to god if I see one more use of the phrase "liberal tears"...

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Response to Initech (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:44 PM

21. Wait until mid-2017 when many of those deplorables lose some of the benefits they worked for...

....and earned. If they think we've seen "liberal tears", there will be a lot more "conservative tears"!

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Response to George II (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:27 PM

25. Unfortunately it won't be only the deplorables who lose benefits

All of us will be suffering thanks to our archaic 'Electoral College', a system that should have been abandoned a hundred years ago. It's just unfathomable that a candidate can win by nearly 3 MILLION VOTES and still lose.

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Response to George II (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:47 PM

28. Wait until mid-2017 when many of those deplorables lose some of the benefits they worked for...

The deplorables will be blaming Pres. Obama for tRump's mess, and they don't know it YET, but they'll be IN that MESS up to their deplorable eyeballs.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:11 PM

9. Hooray for Goofballs

Yay.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:21 PM

14. 4 electors. unhelpful. n/t

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:24 PM

16. If you think about it

it was a better ploy than trying to swing Republican electors to Hillary. You'd never get Hillary to 270 that way. The only hope was to keep Trump under 270 and send it to the house, and if that happened, they'd need an alternate to vote for besides Trump. So these Washington electors gave them Powell as an option.

But, it looks like the gambit failed because Trump will get 270 anyway.

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Response to kudzu22 (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 08:54 PM

33. Bingo

You have it in three sentences. No way to swing republican electors to HRC. Only chance was to see their bloc drop below 270 and coax a vote for a more mainstream, responsible choice like Powell.
We did our part in Washington state and tried to show the way toward Bernie during the primary/caucus season. Even so my precinct still came in overwhelmingly 22-1 for HRC in the general.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:25 PM

17. I know there will be lots of talk about what a *dangerous* precedent this sets. OMINOUS talks

 

about not following the will of the state...oh THAT'S right, we *only* see that when it's the majority of Americans trying to keep the KGB out of the WH....THEN it's a fucking crisis.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:26 PM

18. Senator Warren got an electoral vote for VP

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:27 PM

19. This made me sadder than anything else

I'm going into my cave for a while. Time to recharge the battery. Signed, Depleted

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Response to Lulu KC (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:51 PM

29. This made me sadder than anything else.

I'm not sad per se, because for me this was expected.

I'm not even watching anything related to it. I'm watching my Roku and thankfully the great folks here are keeping me abreast of what's happening. I REFUSE to watch the so-called Liberal media which doesn't exist talk about anything dealing with tRump--who with the help of his bestie boy toy putin--stole the 2016 General Election.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:34 PM

27. This shows we have even more work to do than we thought.

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Response to uppityperson (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:51 PM

30. Three Bernie Electors Voted for Colin Powell?

Shows that we're never really into Bernie if they not only fail to vote for Hillary or Bernie, but for a Republican.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 08:07 PM

31. Yup. Troll electors. nt

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 19, 2016, 08:57 PM

34. There was a method to their madness

 

If no canidate has 270, then the house picks among the 3 with the highest electoral college votes.

There is no way the house is voting for Clinton. By giving Powell 3 votes he becomes an option, and its possible the house elects him president. (And the idea is powell is a better compromise than trump )

Since trump got more than 270, it really doesnt matter who clinton electors voted for.

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Response to Johnathan146 (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:09 AM

35. There was never the slightest chance of that happening

Republicans have done nothing but genuflect in front of Trump since the election, we're fortunate to have had 2 not vote for Trump, they are as shocked as we are that he won and are GLEEFULLY lining up for jobs.


Hell, Kasich is probably not rightwing enough for most of those electors, or the House GOP, let alone Powell, who broke ranks to support Obama. Wanted a real chance at this crazy scheme? The half-assed effort we got wasn't good enough, how about this if all 232 Democratic electors had said they were voting for Ted Cruz, that might have tempted 38 Republican electors, maybe the entire Texas delegation. Would you have wanted that? I think I'd honestly rather have fucking Trump than that wingnut Cruz.

I can respect the Bernie elector in Hawaii and the one who voted for the Native American activist, either of which might have been a better candidate than HRC, but voting for a Republican? Even a "moderate" like Colin Powell? When every rational person knew there was NO chance of this working. No.

Sorry if I sound testy just, ugh. This "real" election is just as painful as the one in November. To see our electoral count go even lower, for nothing, just makes me...... I once entertained the thought that Trump could actually end up with ZERO electoral votes. I thought common decency might be stronger than partisanship, or self interested partisanship might lead down ballot Republicans to cut bait totally. But no they all voted for him, and he had fucking coatails in the Missouri Senate race.

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