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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 10:43 AM Dec 2016

Trump advisors aim to privatize oil-rich Indian reservations

Source: Reuters

Mon Dec 5, 2016 | 6:22am EST

By Valerie Volcovici | WASHINGTON

Native American reservations cover just 2 percent of the United States, but they may contain about a fifth of the nation’s oil and gas, along with vast coal reserves. Now, a group of advisors to President-elect Donald Trump on Native American issues wants to free those resources from what they call a suffocating federal bureaucracy that holds title to 56 million acres of tribal lands, two chairmen of the coalition told Reuters in exclusive interviews.

The group proposes to put those lands into private ownership - a politically explosive idea that could upend more than century of policy designed to preserve Indian tribes on U.S.-owned reservations, which are governed by tribal leaders as sovereign nations.

The tribes have rights to use the land, but they do not own it. They can drill it and reap the profits, but only under regulations that are far more burdensome than those applied to private property.

"We should take tribal land away from public treatment," said Markwayne Mullin, a Republican U.S. Representative from Oklahoma and a Cherokee tribe member who is co-chairing Trump’s Native American Affairs Coalition. "As long as we can do it without unintended consequences, I think we will have broad support around Indian country."

-snip-

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-tribes-insight-idUSKBN13U1B1

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Trump advisors aim to privatize oil-rich Indian reservations (Original Post) DonViejo Dec 2016 OP
You do not have public support ! katmondoo Dec 2016 #1
There will not be "broad support" in Indian Country. leftofcool Dec 2016 #2
Depends. There are some Nations that have been pushing for something like this Recursion Dec 2016 #25
In Alaska Blackjackdavey Dec 2016 #35
I'd like to invest in sovereign Indian Nations & totally remove USA gov.state/fed from those lands. Sunlei Dec 2016 #3
USA just a Banana republic now DK504 Dec 2016 #13
Trump's Native American Affairs Coalition?? Astraea Dec 2016 #4
"The tribes have rights to use the land, but they do not own it." eShirl Dec 2016 #5
Who would end up with the leases? Native Americans, or oil and gas speculators? Paladin Dec 2016 #6
They're also coming for the national parks too.........n/t HAB911 Dec 2016 #8
I imagine the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve (ANWR) is in their sights, too n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2016 #10
get ready for Sis Sarah as Interior Sec. b/c wordpix Dec 2016 #30
THis is THE biggest, but unspoken-of nationally but big in New Mexico. duhneece Dec 2016 #36
Let's hope after Standing Rock HAB911 Dec 2016 #7
"As long as we can do it without unintended consequences..." malthaussen Dec 2016 #9
Unintended means unintended. rickford66 Dec 2016 #31
FU Markwayne Mullin, you are a disgrace to be called a Cherokee your a liar (ga-ye-go-gi ) turbinetree Dec 2016 #11
+1! 2naSalit Dec 2016 #18
Wado (Thank you) turbinetree Dec 2016 #21
+1! 2naSalit Dec 2016 #22
The latest from Paul Ryan is that he is going to ask the Army Corp of Engineers turbinetree Dec 2016 #24
I live in 2naSalit Dec 2016 #28
I fully understand as do many others turbinetree Dec 2016 #33
To me he will never be the president until he shows the American people respect Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #27
Well , we, both and millions of others will have a long wait turbinetree Dec 2016 #34
thank you from a non-Native American wordpix Dec 2016 #32
I'm with you, my friend secondwind Dec 2016 #37
Translation: They have money, it's ours! Fuck you! Initech Dec 2016 #12
Wait a minute Bayard Dec 2016 #14
Some links to read for info... 2naSalit Dec 2016 #19
Good book Bayard Dec 2016 #15
I agree. I would also recommend this book by James Mooney turbinetree Dec 2016 #23
We're heading for another Wounded Knee.... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #16
Yup... 2naSalit Dec 2016 #20
Hmmm....seems like American Indians might need to build a wall SickAndTiredOfRepubs Dec 2016 #17
I do not have the words to express my outrage Angry Dragon Dec 2016 #26
The Dawes Act, just for reference... 2naSalit Dec 2016 #29

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
25. Depends. There are some Nations that have been pushing for something like this
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:02 PM
Dec 2016

because they want to be able to drill the oil they're sitting on like the people next door can. Whatever they put forward is going to involve a pretty big payout to the Nations, or at least the ones above big fossil deposits.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
35. In Alaska
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 04:50 PM
Dec 2016

There are no reservations. The Natives have claim to their land and are organized into "corporations." Sadly, but truly, the largest resource extractors in the north are the "Native Corporations." Presumably this is the model they'd like to bring here and yes, it probably will be popular among many because of the "trickle down" dividends that they would all receive if they were to do it the way they do up north.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
13. USA just a Banana republic now
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:53 AM
Dec 2016

Aren't they supposed to be sovereign nations? How is it we keep breaking every single treaty with the First NATIONS and they have no stop these illegal actions?

I'm an so disgusted.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
6. Who would end up with the leases? Native Americans, or oil and gas speculators?
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:08 AM
Dec 2016

Energy companies would end up with most of the money, under a privatized system. The question is: who would hold the leases---and be entitled to royalty payments---under a privatized system? Native Americans, or oil and gas speculators (i.e., the Bundy family)?

One way or another, this sort of mass privatization of federal resources would drain billions of dollars from the treasury. And it's a sure bet that the ecology of the West and the wellbeing of Native Americans would be degraded, as well.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
30. get ready for Sis Sarah as Interior Sec. b/c
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:31 PM
Dec 2016

she has contacts with AK oil/gas developers.

No matter that she dissed Donald the other day

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
36. THis is THE biggest, but unspoken-of nationally but big in New Mexico.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 05:16 PM
Dec 2016

See O3tero Public Lands Alliance on facebook to see one of 3 platform 'legs' when I ran for State Rep in my all-red (for over 22 years) county. We had rallies and went door-to-door talking about my opponent's support of the 'transfer' of public lands, especially our Lincoln National Forest. Lots of $ to be made by real estate investor like she is. ...an ALEC 'Star Legislator in 2014. THey are trying to steal these treasures that belong to ALL Americans, but it may not be for long.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
9. "As long as we can do it without unintended consequences..."
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:15 AM
Dec 2016

May I laugh, now?

Although I suppose the trashing and exploiting of said lands falls under "intended consequences," when I think of it.

-- Mal

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
11. FU Markwayne Mullin, you are a disgrace to be called a Cherokee your a liar (ga-ye-go-gi )
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:27 AM
Dec 2016

I am a Cherokee, and I do not sell my heritage to f****ing racist, bigots, the land is the most important to my being, our being.

Maybe you should re-read "OUR" history of blatant genocide by your white f***ing lackeys against the "entire" Indigenous Peoples' history and what greed did, like your support of Manifest Destiny or the Doctrine of Discovery, you really are self serving for only one thing yourself.

You remind me of the 23 sub chiefs that kept selling the land and the promise from the white man, that didn't pay one dime, they lied, your a liar (ga-ye-go-gi )

Maybe it's time to have the Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker to renounce your hypocrisy, you are not a member in my eyes, you do know what the seven sided clans / councils are, don't you. Are you a full blood or a mix blood, because what ever blood you have you are a disgrace





turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
21. Wado (Thank you)
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:46 PM
Dec 2016

He should not be tolerated and given credence to justify what is happening on our land, our water, our air.

He should be banished. He is a Traitor – Galonuhesgi

I can still remember Ben Nighthorse CO, changing his party affiliation when he went from democrat to republican in the 1980's

I think fracked water should be sent to his district office and asked to drink it


turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
24. The latest from Paul Ryan is that he is going to ask the Army Corp of Engineers
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:00 PM
Dec 2016

to rescind the environmental impact statement, spoken like a true white republican fascists.

I think he also should be sent fracked water and asked to drink it in the public forum


And I like your picture "He not my president"


He is not

2naSalit

(86,345 posts)
28. I live in
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:21 PM
Dec 2016

Montana and it's a dicey game for liberals here. A lot of my friends are at Standing Rock. I can't go for fear I may not get my gov't job back come summer. I do public outreach and education about public lands and wildlife management.

I would go too if I were younger.

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
33. I fully understand as do many others
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:43 PM
Dec 2016

but never live in fear, that's what they want us to do.

I can still remember my first anti-war protest out in California, it defined me.

I am going to the racists swearing in by the Chief racists of the U.S. Supreme Court and the herr dumpster, and I am going to have a sign that says

What Does John Roberts Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court and Donald Trump Have in Common


They are both Racists, Bigots & Fascists

If people think of what Roberts has done and looked at what the dumpster has done, they are hypocrites, one with a black robe and other with black suit


Use to live in Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, and Colorado now retired from aviation


turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
34. Well , we, both and millions of others will have a long wait
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:46 PM
Dec 2016

this is Reagan on steroids just more darker and more dangerous, he will never be my president


wordpix

(18,652 posts)
32. thank you from a non-Native American
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:34 PM
Dec 2016

I agree with you, Turbinetree.

I will remember ga-ye-go-gi when I'm referring to liars from now on.

Initech

(100,043 posts)
12. Translation: They have money, it's ours! Fuck you!
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 11:39 AM
Dec 2016

I swear the bullies who beat you up in high school become the takers of the GOP.

Bayard

(22,011 posts)
14. Wait a minute
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:31 PM
Dec 2016

"The 1887 General Allotment Act (or Dawes Act), a piece of legislation that was designed to assimilate American Indian people into white culture and was directly responsible for the loss of 90 million acres of Indian land—nearly two-thirds of the total Indian land base. The Act required tribally-held land to be divided among individual tribal members and the remaining “surplus” lands opened to white settlement. This division and alienation of Indian land and assets had devastating consequences for Indian people that still endure today." per, The Indian Land Tenure Foundation. And Wikipedia says,

"The name "reservation" comes from the conception of the Native American tribes as independent sovereigns at the time the U.S. Constitution was ratified. Thus, the early peace treaties (often signed under duress) in which Native American tribes surrendered large portions of land to the U.S. also designated parcels which the tribes, as sovereigns, "reserved" to themselves, and those parcels came to be called "reservations."[9] The term remained in use even after the federal government began to forcibly relocate tribes to parcels of land to which they had no historical connection."

So......how can the U.S. government still come in and take over these lands for corporate use? My understanding is that the BLM only "manages" the land, and its held in trust. What's in the fine print? Anyone know for sure? And with the attention and support Standing Rock is finally getting, do the powers that be really want that kind of protest across the country? The U.S. government has already stolen enough Native American land, and now they want to trot out Manifest Destiny to forcibly take the little bit left?





2naSalit

(86,345 posts)
19. Some links to read for info...
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:17 PM
Dec 2016

It's a complex law and was designed to allow non-Indians to own land on reservations further dissipating their landholdings as tribes and sovereign peoples.


https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=50

turbinetree

(24,685 posts)
23. I agree. I would also recommend this book by James Mooney
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 02:56 PM
Dec 2016

this is a free book and pretty much explains what happened to the Cherokee, Creeks, Catawba, Shawano

James Mooney 1861-1921

http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/motc/


http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/cher/motc/motc099.htm


Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
16. We're heading for another Wounded Knee....
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

in fact, I'm surprised they managed to keep Standing Rock "peaceful" so long. Republicans are dying to get the 1800's back, with updated technology. Then they can finish the genocide.

17. Hmmm....seems like American Indians might need to build a wall
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:55 PM
Dec 2016

to keep those Anglo-Saxon immigrants out of what little land they were "given"

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