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Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:31 PM

 

Green Party Drops Statewide Pennsylvania Recount

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Source: CBS

The Green Party is dropping its court case seeking a recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election. It had wanted to explore whether voting machines and systems had been hacked and the election result manipulated.

The Green Party’s filing came Saturday, saying it couldn’t afford the $1 million bond the court had set. A Commonwealth Court hearing had been scheduled in the case for Monday, and the $1 million bond was due later that day.

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has spearheaded a recount effort in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, states where Republican Donald Trump won narrowly over Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/

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Reply Green Party Drops Statewide Pennsylvania Recount (Original post)
Travis_0004 Dec 2016 OP
portlander23 Dec 2016 #1
wordpix Dec 2016 #2
Land Shark Dec 2016 #26
sabbat hunter Dec 2016 #31
turbinetree Dec 2016 #3
MichMan Dec 2016 #4
oberliner Dec 2016 #5
kebob Dec 2016 #6
Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #7
kebob Dec 2016 #10
MichMary Dec 2016 #8
NWCorona Dec 2016 #9
MichMary Dec 2016 #11
NWCorona Dec 2016 #13
wordpix Dec 2016 #17
Land Shark Dec 2016 #27
INdemo Dec 2016 #12
wordpix Dec 2016 #15
7962 Dec 2016 #20
NWCorona Dec 2016 #14
EL34x4 Dec 2016 #16
wordpix Dec 2016 #18
.99center Dec 2016 #19
annielion Dec 2016 #21
rurallib Dec 2016 #23
.99center Dec 2016 #25
Plucketeer Dec 2016 #22
BainsBane Dec 2016 #24
annielion Dec 2016 #28
BainsBane Dec 2016 #36
KatyBR Dec 2016 #29
KatyBR Dec 2016 #30
dawn frenzy adams Dec 2016 #32
brooklynite Dec 2016 #33
Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #34
KittyWampus Dec 2016 #35
In_The_Wind Dec 2016 #37

Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:33 PM

1. Well, that blows :(

 

It's not a coincidence that actually counting votes in the United States is this hard.

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Response to portlander23 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:40 PM

2. yes, indeed. We need to organize something, but it's a PA issue unless

the bond is so exorbitant someone wants to fight that in court.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:52 PM

26. BUT County by county efforts ARE PROCEEDING

It is only the statewide that is dropped

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Response to wordpix (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:04 PM

31. Jill Stein has raised about

7 million so far. I think they could have afforded to pay the bond if they chose.

What will she do with any left over money?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:41 PM

3. Well lets think about this-------------

good old wisCONsin had /has a recount going on that cost over $500,000 in 2011, now they come up with some arbitrary number that its going to cost $3.5 million, that is a 2,000 % mark-up in charging for a product , what am I missing here, republican yell voter fraud but when someone wants to ask if there is one .....................they play the game...................

It reminds me of this:






FU you republicans and the horse you road in on





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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:42 PM

4. Stein raised way more than that didn't she?

I thought Stein had raised enough $$$ to see this through? She has raised $7 million and Wisconsin & Michigan recounts will cost $5 million. I guess she and the Green Party will just pocket the left over money now

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:47 PM

5. She has raised 7 million dollars

 

And her fundraising website still lists PA.

She is asking for 9 million currently.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:02 PM

6. Duplicate Thread

 

Though just barely! Original is http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141630897

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Response to kebob (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:05 PM

7. Yeah, I saw that.

 

Posted at the exact same minute. Jon likely hit the submit button a few seconds before I did.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:11 PM

10. It's eventually going to be locked

 

Not telling you what to do, but whenever I find out I've posted a duplicate, I self-delete.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:06 PM

8. We needed all three states to flip

in order to overturn the election. If she drops Pennsylvania, that means it's over.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:11 PM

9. Hmm, shits not adding up in my mind here. I haven't checked in a while

But Jill had some serious coin stacked up for this.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:15 PM

11. The legal challenges

may have added substantially to the estimated cost. That's my guess, anyway.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:18 PM

13. No doubt that the lawyers and logistics eats up the cash but still..

I'm gonna do a little digging as I was already curious where the money is actually going.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:43 PM

17. required $1 million bond seems like exorbitant extortion to start a recount

is that the normal amount for a recount bond? If not, I would fight the cost by way of civil rights/equality laws. But now Jill is not committed to following through or so it seems. Yes, it is hard to be a leader. However, just ask for more money, ask for legal help, put out the message and people will respond. Maybe she's tired and wants others to take over or at least help more.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:55 PM

27. Recounts in certain counties are still Proceeding

It was too onerous to get signaturesome in every precinct statewide. That is why it is only certain counties.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:17 PM

12. Did someone from the Trump oorganization get to Jill

 

with $$$$$$. I thought she had raised nearly 7 mill. and I know she didn't spend it all in Mich or Wisc

I say hell yes they did....
The money could have been raised by all those fU*KG SOBs joining the cabinet.
A Couple mill here a nice condo there..hell yes that is the way it works.

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Response to INdemo (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:28 PM

15. I agree, it does not sound like the feisty Jill I love but

you're jumping to conclusions with no evidence. Although your "hell yes that is the way it works" comment is right on. But in this case of Jill backing out, we don't know the reason except lack of funds. Maybe she's po'd if Hillary wasn't backing recount except for one state (is that still correct?)

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Response to INdemo (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:54 PM

20. These days that would be pretty easy to dig up

 

Its hard to get away with that shit these days.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:24 PM

14. Wait, it say a million dollar "bond". The out of pocket cost to Jill is cents on the dollar


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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:39 PM

16. Pennsylvania was always going to be an uphill battle.

 

She was unlikely to get a recount there no matter how much money she coughed up.

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Response to EL34x4 (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:45 PM

18. that is NOT what the polling showed pre-election but there was traitor Comey

who may have turned the tide

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:52 PM

19. She had until Monday night to raise the money.

She could've easily raised the money by then!

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:56 PM

21. Per PA law, 100 voters requested the recount

Apparently these 100 voters were expected to pay the $1,000,000 bond. An attorney for the Stein campaign wrote "Petitioners are regular citizens of ordinary means. They cannot afford to post the $1,000,000 bond required by the Court." Jill Stein still plans to continue a county-by-county recount effort in PA. Jill Stein states she will have a news conference about the recount Monday morning outside Trump Tower in New York City.

It is my understanding that all money donated to Jill Stein's recount effort is in a trust and she has no control over it. If there are funds remaining after the recount, funds will be returned to those who donated.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/20161204_Jill_Stein_campaign_drops_recount_effort_in_Pa_.html

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Response to annielion (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:35 PM

23. Palmer Report says MSM distorting

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/no-pennsylvania-recount-effort-isnt-yes-mainstream-media-lying/359/


"In fact her next step is to fight for precinct by precinct recounts in Pennsylvania until the vote totals have been sufficiently corrected and revised to drop Donald Trump’s lead in the state from the current 0.8% mark to the 0.5% mark, which in turn would trigger an automatic statewide recount under Pennsylvania state law. So how many mainstream major media outlets are correctly reporting that the PA recount effort is now continuing with a new strategy? There don’t appear to be any.

If you look at the headlines coming from the major media outlets this evening, they’re uniformly misleading in that they’re attempting to create the appearance that Stein’s recount effort is finished. “Green Party drops court case seeking statewide recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election,” states the Associated Press in a tweet which paint the phony picture that there are no next steps. BuzzFeed News falsely claims that Stein put in a “request to discontinue the recount request,” misleadingly suggesting that she pulled the plug on her own effort. And this ABC News affiliate flatly insisted in its original headline that the challenge to the recount is “over” before ultimately changing the headline entirely to focus on Stein’s next move.

It would be one thing for the major media outlets to ignore the recount effort because they simply decided it wasn’t newsworthy. But after spending the past week largely pretending the recount effort wasn’t happening, these same major media outlets are now racing to report headlines which falsely claim the Pennsylvania recount effort is over. In other words, they didn’t want the public to know about that the recounts were even happening, but now they suddenly want to make the public believe that the recounts are “over.” The mainstream media agenda here isn’t entirely decipherable, but it is entirely unacceptable."

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Response to rurallib (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:51 PM

25. It's being reported that the deadline for the $1mill bond was Monday at 5pm.

The above article say's otherwise.

"Stein had raised millions of dollars, but with so much of that having been eaten up already by Wisconsin’s sudden price hike and the attorney fees required to fight fierce court battles against all three non-cooperating states, it turns out she didn’t have the $1 million cash on hand today to cover Pennsylvania’s sudden ransom demand. Thus she was forced to withdraw her court petition for a Pennsylvania recount. That doesn’t mean it’s over, of course, only that there is now another legal hurdle to fight."

"she didn’t have the $1 million cash on hand today to cover Pennsylvania’s sudden ransom demand"

Hmm, someones wrong here. Was the money due Monday night as other sources are claiming?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:31 PM

22. Did somebody say MONEY????

 

The line to grab your share starts here! Boy, this Trump guy really IS working magic for our economies!

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:41 PM

24. People gave her millions

Why can't she afford it?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:55 PM

28. The voters have to pay the $1,000,000

Apparently PA requires that voters request a recount. So 100 PA voters have requested the recount. It seems they are the ones required to pay the $1,000.000.

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Response to annielion (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:37 AM

36. She can work with a voter

And give that person the money. What is she planning to do with the over 7 million she raised?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:32 PM

29. Precint recounts are still going forward

She just had to drop the lawsuit. She's on fireside chat explaining

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Response to KatyBR (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:56 PM

30. Anyone out there know if a bond is same as hard cash?

In my field, the request for a $1 million bond actually only means having to come up w/@1%. Sounds like the court is asking the actual individuals for the $10K bond each, and that the Green party is not allowed to pay it...We need clarity here.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:17 PM

32. With Trumps Margins of Victory Shrinking, Lawsuits Filed to Block Recount in Two States

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:17 PM

33. Will her recount contributors be getting a refund?

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:25 PM

34. no.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:29 PM

35. there are two other states besides PA. You seems concerned.

 

Too bad Clinton didn't bother to fight for herself.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Original post)

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:08 AM

37. Locking Duplicate Thread

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