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Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:31 PM Dec 2016

Green Party Drops Statewide Pennsylvania Recount

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by In_The_Wind (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: CBS

The Green Party is dropping its court case seeking a recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election. It had wanted to explore whether voting machines and systems had been hacked and the election result manipulated.

The Green Party’s filing came Saturday, saying it couldn’t afford the $1 million bond the court had set. A Commonwealth Court hearing had been scheduled in the case for Monday, and the $1 million bond was due later that day.

Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein has spearheaded a recount effort in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, states where Republican Donald Trump won narrowly over Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2016/12/03/green-party-drops-statewide-pennsylvania-recount/

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Green Party Drops Statewide Pennsylvania Recount (Original Post) Travis_0004 Dec 2016 OP
Well, that blows :( portlander23 Dec 2016 #1
yes, indeed. We need to organize something, but it's a PA issue unless wordpix Dec 2016 #2
BUT County by county efforts ARE PROCEEDING Land Shark Dec 2016 #26
Jill Stein has raised about sabbat hunter Dec 2016 #31
Well lets think about this------------- turbinetree Dec 2016 #3
Stein raised way more than that didn't she? MichMan Dec 2016 #4
She has raised 7 million dollars oberliner Dec 2016 #5
Duplicate Thread kebob Dec 2016 #6
Yeah, I saw that. Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #7
It's eventually going to be locked kebob Dec 2016 #10
We needed all three states to flip MichMary Dec 2016 #8
Hmm, shits not adding up in my mind here. I haven't checked in a while NWCorona Dec 2016 #9
The legal challenges MichMary Dec 2016 #11
No doubt that the lawyers and logistics eats up the cash but still.. NWCorona Dec 2016 #13
required $1 million bond seems like exorbitant extortion to start a recount wordpix Dec 2016 #17
Recounts in certain counties are still Proceeding Land Shark Dec 2016 #27
Did someone from the Trump oorganization get to Jill INdemo Dec 2016 #12
I agree, it does not sound like the feisty Jill I love but wordpix Dec 2016 #15
These days that would be pretty easy to dig up 7962 Dec 2016 #20
Wait, it say a million dollar "bond". The out of pocket cost to Jill is cents on the dollar NWCorona Dec 2016 #14
Pennsylvania was always going to be an uphill battle. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #16
that is NOT what the polling showed pre-election but there was traitor Comey wordpix Dec 2016 #18
She had until Monday night to raise the money. .99center Dec 2016 #19
Per PA law, 100 voters requested the recount annielion Dec 2016 #21
Palmer Report says MSM distorting rurallib Dec 2016 #23
It's being reported that the deadline for the $1mill bond was Monday at 5pm. .99center Dec 2016 #25
Did somebody say MONEY???? Plucketeer Dec 2016 #22
People gave her millions BainsBane Dec 2016 #24
The voters have to pay the $1,000,000 annielion Dec 2016 #28
She can work with a voter BainsBane Dec 2016 #36
Precint recounts are still going forward KatyBR Dec 2016 #29
Anyone out there know if a bond is same as hard cash? KatyBR Dec 2016 #30
With Trumps Margins of Victory Shrinking, Lawsuits Filed to Block Recount in Two States dawn frenzy adams Dec 2016 #32
Will her recount contributors be getting a refund? brooklynite Dec 2016 #33
no. Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #34
there are two other states besides PA. You seems concerned. KittyWampus Dec 2016 #35
Locking Duplicate Thread In_The_Wind Dec 2016 #37
 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
1. Well, that blows :(
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:33 PM
Dec 2016

It's not a coincidence that actually counting votes in the United States is this hard.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
2. yes, indeed. We need to organize something, but it's a PA issue unless
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:40 PM
Dec 2016

the bond is so exorbitant someone wants to fight that in court.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
26. BUT County by county efforts ARE PROCEEDING
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:52 PM
Dec 2016

It is only the statewide that is dropped

sabbat hunter

(6,854 posts)
31. Jill Stein has raised about
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:04 PM
Dec 2016

7 million so far. I think they could have afforded to pay the bond if they chose.

What will she do with any left over money?

turbinetree

(24,849 posts)
3. Well lets think about this-------------
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
Dec 2016

good old wisCONsin had /has a recount going on that cost over $500,000 in 2011, now they come up with some arbitrary number that its going to cost $3.5 million, that is a 2,000 % mark-up in charging for a product , what am I missing here, republican yell voter fraud but when someone wants to ask if there is one .....................they play the game...................

It reminds me of this:






FU you republicans and the horse you road in on





MichMan

(12,317 posts)
4. Stein raised way more than that didn't she?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:42 PM
Dec 2016

I thought Stein had raised enough $$$ to see this through? She has raised $7 million and Wisconsin & Michigan recounts will cost $5 million. I guess she and the Green Party will just pocket the left over money now

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. She has raised 7 million dollars
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:47 PM
Dec 2016

And her fundraising website still lists PA.

She is asking for 9 million currently.

 

kebob

(499 posts)
6. Duplicate Thread
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:02 PM
Dec 2016

Though just barely! Original is http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141630897

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
7. Yeah, I saw that.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:05 PM
Dec 2016

Posted at the exact same minute. Jon likely hit the submit button a few seconds before I did.

 

kebob

(499 posts)
10. It's eventually going to be locked
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:11 PM
Dec 2016

Not telling you what to do, but whenever I find out I've posted a duplicate, I self-delete.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
8. We needed all three states to flip
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:06 PM
Dec 2016

in order to overturn the election. If she drops Pennsylvania, that means it's over.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
9. Hmm, shits not adding up in my mind here. I haven't checked in a while
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:11 PM
Dec 2016

But Jill had some serious coin stacked up for this.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
11. The legal challenges
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:15 PM
Dec 2016

may have added substantially to the estimated cost. That's my guess, anyway.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
13. No doubt that the lawyers and logistics eats up the cash but still..
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:18 PM
Dec 2016

I'm gonna do a little digging as I was already curious where the money is actually going.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
17. required $1 million bond seems like exorbitant extortion to start a recount
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:43 PM
Dec 2016

is that the normal amount for a recount bond? If not, I would fight the cost by way of civil rights/equality laws. But now Jill is not committed to following through or so it seems. Yes, it is hard to be a leader. However, just ask for more money, ask for legal help, put out the message and people will respond. Maybe she's tired and wants others to take over or at least help more.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)
27. Recounts in certain counties are still Proceeding
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:55 PM
Dec 2016

It was too onerous to get signaturesome in every precinct statewide. That is why it is only certain counties.

INdemo

(6,996 posts)
12. Did someone from the Trump oorganization get to Jill
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:17 PM
Dec 2016

with $$$$$$. I thought she had raised nearly 7 mill. and I know she didn't spend it all in Mich or Wisc

I say hell yes they did....
The money could have been raised by all those fU*KG SOBs joining the cabinet.
A Couple mill here a nice condo there..hell yes that is the way it works.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
15. I agree, it does not sound like the feisty Jill I love but
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:28 PM
Dec 2016

you're jumping to conclusions with no evidence. Although your "hell yes that is the way it works" comment is right on. But in this case of Jill backing out, we don't know the reason except lack of funds. Maybe she's po'd if Hillary wasn't backing recount except for one state (is that still correct?)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
20. These days that would be pretty easy to dig up
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:54 PM
Dec 2016

Its hard to get away with that shit these days.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
14. Wait, it say a million dollar "bond". The out of pocket cost to Jill is cents on the dollar
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:24 PM
Dec 2016

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
16. Pennsylvania was always going to be an uphill battle.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:39 PM
Dec 2016

She was unlikely to get a recount there no matter how much money she coughed up.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
18. that is NOT what the polling showed pre-election but there was traitor Comey
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:45 PM
Dec 2016

who may have turned the tide

.99center

(1,237 posts)
19. She had until Monday night to raise the money.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:52 PM
Dec 2016

She could've easily raised the money by then!

annielion

(15 posts)
21. Per PA law, 100 voters requested the recount
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:56 PM
Dec 2016

Apparently these 100 voters were expected to pay the $1,000,000 bond. An attorney for the Stein campaign wrote "Petitioners are regular citizens of ordinary means. They cannot afford to post the $1,000,000 bond required by the Court." Jill Stein still plans to continue a county-by-county recount effort in PA. Jill Stein states she will have a news conference about the recount Monday morning outside Trump Tower in New York City.

It is my understanding that all money donated to Jill Stein's recount effort is in a trust and she has no control over it. If there are funds remaining after the recount, funds will be returned to those who donated.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/20161204_Jill_Stein_campaign_drops_recount_effort_in_Pa_.html

rurallib

(62,703 posts)
23. Palmer Report says MSM distorting
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:35 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/no-pennsylvania-recount-effort-isnt-yes-mainstream-media-lying/359/


"In fact her next step is to fight for precinct by precinct recounts in Pennsylvania until the vote totals have been sufficiently corrected and revised to drop Donald Trump’s lead in the state from the current 0.8% mark to the 0.5% mark, which in turn would trigger an automatic statewide recount under Pennsylvania state law. So how many mainstream major media outlets are correctly reporting that the PA recount effort is now continuing with a new strategy? There don’t appear to be any.

If you look at the headlines coming from the major media outlets this evening, they’re uniformly misleading in that they’re attempting to create the appearance that Stein’s recount effort is finished. “Green Party drops court case seeking statewide recount of Pennsylvania’s Nov. 8 presidential election,” states the Associated Press in a tweet which paint the phony picture that there are no next steps. BuzzFeed News falsely claims that Stein put in a “request to discontinue the recount request,” misleadingly suggesting that she pulled the plug on her own effort. And this ABC News affiliate flatly insisted in its original headline that the challenge to the recount is “over” before ultimately changing the headline entirely to focus on Stein’s next move.

It would be one thing for the major media outlets to ignore the recount effort because they simply decided it wasn’t newsworthy. But after spending the past week largely pretending the recount effort wasn’t happening, these same major media outlets are now racing to report headlines which falsely claim the Pennsylvania recount effort is over. In other words, they didn’t want the public to know about that the recounts were even happening, but now they suddenly want to make the public believe that the recounts are “over.” The mainstream media agenda here isn’t entirely decipherable, but it is entirely unacceptable."

.99center

(1,237 posts)
25. It's being reported that the deadline for the $1mill bond was Monday at 5pm.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:51 PM
Dec 2016

The above article say's otherwise.

"Stein had raised millions of dollars, but with so much of that having been eaten up already by Wisconsin’s sudden price hike and the attorney fees required to fight fierce court battles against all three non-cooperating states, it turns out she didn’t have the $1 million cash on hand today to cover Pennsylvania’s sudden ransom demand. Thus she was forced to withdraw her court petition for a Pennsylvania recount. That doesn’t mean it’s over, of course, only that there is now another legal hurdle to fight."

"she didn’t have the $1 million cash on hand today to cover Pennsylvania’s sudden ransom demand"

Hmm, someones wrong here. Was the money due Monday night as other sources are claiming?

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
22. Did somebody say MONEY????
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:31 PM
Dec 2016

The line to grab your share starts here! Boy, this Trump guy really IS working magic for our economies!

BainsBane

(53,429 posts)
24. People gave her millions
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:41 PM
Dec 2016

Why can't she afford it?

annielion

(15 posts)
28. The voters have to pay the $1,000,000
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:55 PM
Dec 2016

Apparently PA requires that voters request a recount. So 100 PA voters have requested the recount. It seems they are the ones required to pay the $1,000.000.

BainsBane

(53,429 posts)
36. She can work with a voter
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 12:37 AM
Dec 2016

And give that person the money. What is she planning to do with the over 7 million she raised?

KatyBR

(185 posts)
29. Precint recounts are still going forward
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:32 PM
Dec 2016

She just had to drop the lawsuit. She's on fireside chat explaining

KatyBR

(185 posts)
30. Anyone out there know if a bond is same as hard cash?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 10:56 PM
Dec 2016

In my field, the request for a $1 million bond actually only means having to come up w/@1%. Sounds like the court is asking the actual individuals for the $10K bond each, and that the Green party is not allowed to pay it...We need clarity here.

dawn frenzy adams

(429 posts)
32. With Trumps Margins of Victory Shrinking, Lawsuits Filed to Block Recount in Two States
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:17 PM
Dec 2016

brooklynite

(96,735 posts)
33. Will her recount contributors be getting a refund?
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:17 PM
Dec 2016
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
34. no.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:25 PM
Dec 2016
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
35. there are two other states besides PA. You seems concerned.
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 11:29 PM
Dec 2016

Too bad Clinton didn't bother to fight for herself.

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
37. Locking Duplicate Thread
Sun Dec 4, 2016, 02:08 AM
Dec 2016
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