Attorney General Maura Healey's investigation into Glock guns gets green light to continue

[SecularMotion]

Source: MassLive

A judge is allowing Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey to continue her investigation into the gun manufacturer Glock.

Suffolk County Superior Court Judge Edward Leibensperger wrote that Healey has "good and sufficient grounds" to request documents from Glock "based on safety and other concerns about Glock pistols owned throughout the commonwealth."

Healey, a Democrat, has often butted heads with the gun industry, most notably in an effort this summer to reinterpret Massachusetts' assault weapons ban to include additional types of guns.

The Republican/MassLive.com reported in September that Healey had launched an investigation into the safety of guns made by at least two major national gun manufacturers, Remington Arms Company and Glock.

Read more: http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/11/judge_lets_ag_maura_healey_con.html

[Upin]

1. Really?

You can throw that thing down 10 flights of stairs with a round in the chamber absolutely nothing will happen.

Incredibly safe guns...

[Nitram]

38. Yes, really. The fact that the firing pin won't set off a round in the chamber is not the problem.

"Glock uses the marketing term “Safe Action” to describe its firing-pin system, but the truth is that Glocks are accident-prone. They contributed to more than 120 accidental discharges in the Washington Metropolitan Police Department from 1988 to 1998. Anecdotes of increased accidental shootings have followed the pistol for more than 30 years wherever it has been adopted by police officers and citizens alike."

"The underlying problem with these pistols is a short trigger pull and the lack of an external safety. In real-world encounters, a short trigger pull can be lethal, in part because a significant percentage of law enforcement officers — some experts say as high as 20% — put their finger on the trigger of their weapons when under stress. According to firearms trainers, most officers are completely unaware of their tendency to do this and have a hard time believing it, even when they're shown video evidence from training exercises."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-owens-glock-accidents-20150508-story.html

[Upin]

40. Finger off trigger...

Just that easy...

[Nitram]

31. Apparently not that easy. Did you bother to read the article?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-owens-glock-accidents-20150508-story.html

[Ellen Forradalom]

2. "Why police shouldn't use Glocks," LA Times Op-ed.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-owens-glock-accidents-20150508-story.html

[melm00se]

18. Interesting article

but it seems to overlook some key pieces of firearm training:

The Gun Is Always Loaded: Forsyth's death could have been avoided if his fellow officer had assumed that the firearm was loaded and personally checked the chamber, which then leads to #2:

Never Point The Gun At Something You Are Not Prepared To Destroy: Forsyth's death could have been avoided if the gun was not pointed at him in the 1st place.

Keep Your Finger Off The Trigger Until Your Sights Are On The Target (aka: "Keep your booger hook off the bang switch&quot : both Stansbury's and Gurley's deaths could have been avoided if that basic axiom had been followed.

These 3 incidents:

1) could have easily been avoided if these rules had been followed.
2) could have occurred regardless of firearm type or design.

The key safety piece for firearms rests not with the gun but between the ears of the person holding it.

[FairWinds]

21. First, Glock is not a "national" gun manufacturer . .

It is an Austrian company.

Second, as a Vietnam vet and member of
Veterans For Peace, I believe that . .

guns are for cowards

[patsimp]

24. Agreed

[hack89]

28. "guns are for cowards"

Really? So hunters or competitive shooters like myself are cowards? Ok.

[EX500rider]

29. "guns are for cowards"...

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So a single female or elderly person who lives in a bad part of town and has a firearm is a coward?

[FairWinds]

31. First, thanks for the half-way polite responses . .

I know lots of hunters and folks who use guns for varmints.

But most rational gun owners I know see the overall impact of
gun-dom as a national scourge.

And people whose personal identities are wrapped up in firearms
are in need of psychological help.

The gun nuts say openly that their gun "freedom" is more important
than our safety. Grrrrr.

And then there are the Reich Wing nuts who freely admit that they
are stockpiling weapons and ammo to kill people like us.

And you think that is OK? No, it is not.

Veteran For Peace

[Blandocyte]

35. That "safe action" trigger is an idiot button

IMO Glocks should have a manual safety. I think that a Glock is pretty much a cocked but unlocked 1911. Anybody have the link to the cop who was "the only one in the room qualified to carry a Glock 40 cal" who shot himself in the leg in front of a school assembly?

They are amazingly popular, though among professionals. Is it price or functionality that does that?

[Nitram]

36. Glocks require more training and practice than most handguns to use safely.

Even then, as noted above, the trigger is too sensitive for situations where you want to hold someone at bay without shooting them.

[EX500rider]

37. "the trigger is too sensitive"

Glocks have a trigger pull between 5.5 & 6.5lbs...
Not very sensitive or that different then most semi-auto pistols.
As a general rule, a serious use pistol should have a trigger no lighter than 4 pounds and ideally no more than 6 pounds

[Nitram]

30. So I googled "Glock triggger pull" because I hear this all the time, and this came up..

The standard Glock trigger pull (with a 5.5-lb connector) runs around 6-7 pounds, but that was WAY too light for some police departments whose officers were sorely undertrained, and had more than several instances of negligent discharges. This situation led to the New York and New York Plus Glock triggers.

Instead of improving the training of these officers, the department instead put really heavy triggers in their Glocks. I’ve spent some time behind Glocks burdened with these triggers, and as far as I’m concerned they don’t make the pistols safer. They make the pistols more unsafe.

[ileus]

39. What about the other striker fired pistol manufactures?

Most striker fired XD, Sigs, M&Ps, Walthers, and HK's are functionally the same.