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Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:45 PM Oct 2016

Republicans May Block All Supreme Court Nominees Of A President Clinton, McCain Says

Source: Huffington Post

The main pretext Republican senators have offered for leaving open the Supreme Court seat of the late Justice Antonin Scalia is that the next president, not Barack Obama, should be the one to fill it.

But now that his party’s nominee, Donald Trump, seems headed for a loss in November, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) appears to be changing his tune ― and may be signaling that more unprecedented obstruction is on the horizon if Hillary Clinton wins the White House.

“I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up. I promise you,” McCain said Monday, according to CNN.
...
“This is the strongest argument I can make” for Pat Toomey’s re-election, McCain said, and that is “so we can make sure there is not three places on the United States Supreme Court that will change this country for decades.”

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-mccain-hillary-clinton-supreme-court_us_58050653e4b0162c043d4c9a



So it doesn't matter to Republicans what VOTERS want, just what THEY want. I used to have a modicum of respect for McCain. He has managed to make me lose it all.
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Republicans May Block All Supreme Court Nominees Of A President Clinton, McCain Says (Original Post) Stonepounder Oct 2016 OP
Even with a democratic majority in the Senate, how many republicans no_hypocrisy Oct 2016 #1
Didn't Reid change the rules so nominees upaloopa Oct 2016 #7
IIRC that didn't include SC nominees for some reason. Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2016 #11
Only lower court nominees charlyvi Oct 2016 #16
Hopefully Harry Reid will remember this movie and pass rules for the next Senate accordingly groundloop Oct 2016 #20
Harry Reid won't be there, will he? TheDebbieDee Oct 2016 #29
Not for SCOTUS nominee. kairos12 Oct 2016 #44
There is a good chance McCain will have to upaloopa Oct 2016 #2
I had respect for McCain, once! atreides1 Oct 2016 #3
I would. reflection Oct 2016 #23
Let them try Democat Oct 2016 #4
Republican definition of democracy. tavernier Oct 2016 #5
He's talking tough for the Trumpkins who would have supported him The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2016 #6
He sure is some maverick meadowlark5 Oct 2016 #8
Statement actually may ease the minds of alt-right voters ffr Oct 2016 #9
If they do then perhaps its time for the President to sue them for obstruction and cstanleytech Oct 2016 #12
The Senate has no obligation to consent to a nominee jberryhill Oct 2016 #52
*sigh* I know but I still kinda wish it could happen or cstanleytech Oct 2016 #57
It's a feature, not a bug jberryhill Oct 2016 #58
Has McCain lost his fucking mind, Really, doesnt he know Trump has NO coat tails... Old Vet Oct 2016 #13
His point is PREMISED on Trump not having coat tails jberryhill Oct 2016 #59
Take the fight to them sba Oct 2016 #14
McCain walked back his comments Monday afternoon,................................... riversedge Oct 2016 #15
Thanks for the update riversedge, Didnt see that anywhere else............ Old Vet Oct 2016 #22
Hard to believe he means the walk back angrychair Oct 2016 #35
At least, a 4/4 SCOTUS... Helen Borg Oct 2016 #17
Dear Arizona Voters world wide wally Oct 2016 #18
I am from AZ and I will do my part. I visted his Office once as a courtesy being from the State, kairos12 Oct 2016 #46
Already voted for Kirkpatrick! Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #66
He better hope there's not a Democratic majority Renew Deal Oct 2016 #19
2 things Marthe48 Oct 2016 #21
RBG can't hang in forever. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #43
Empty threat. We'll take the Senate this year and gain a supermajority in 2018. PSPS Oct 2016 #24
The Democrats will almost certainly suffer a net loss of Senate seats in 2018 Jim Lane Oct 2016 #32
These are the 2018 seats BumRushDaShow Oct 2016 #42
Thanks for the map, very helpful! Jim Lane Oct 2016 #50
Hillary will be President longer than McCain will be in office. nt onehandle Oct 2016 #25
Sounds like a fool proof plan Bradical79 Oct 2016 #26
Rules for filibuster must be changed, especially for justice appointments, but I wonder if Dems.... dmosh42 Oct 2016 #27
Aricle 2 section 2 US Constitution Botany Oct 2016 #30
These REPUBLICAN CLOWNS swore an oath on the Bible bucolic_frolic Oct 2016 #31
I hope they do Egnever Oct 2016 #33
So Maverick-y of him. emulatorloo Oct 2016 #34
The Clintons are formidible Blandocyte Oct 2016 #36
Gosh, remember when every other word out of Republican's mouth was "up or down vote?" tanyev Oct 2016 #37
How very patriotic of him. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #38
Voting GOP is like pouring sand into an engine, and expecting it to work. JoePhilly Oct 2016 #39
They're hoping Ruth dies and, with no one in her seat, they get back the majority.... Moonwalk Oct 2016 #40
There have been as few as five Supremes, so the Repubs can definitely hold patricia92243 Oct 2016 #41
really... wow. Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #55
Hopefully, Republicans will NOT BlueMTexpat Oct 2016 #45
Well, I HOPE that McCain loses MsMAC Oct 2016 #47
Really makes me worry about our country hollowdweller Oct 2016 #48
It's way past time to get rid of the Repuglican senate mdbl Oct 2016 #49
"If you want change in Washington, vote Dems in for the Senate Jarqui Oct 2016 #51
She sould just go ahead and appoint one without them. bullimiami Oct 2016 #53
yep, if they wanna play their game, she gets to use her powers, too Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #56
Pure Obstruction. That's good reason to show him the door in AZ, I hope they can get the votes! Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #54
Isn't this getting really close to TREASON? bagelsforbreakfast Oct 2016 #60
No jberryhill Oct 2016 #61
Aiming for new heights of obstructionism milestogo Oct 2016 #62
Never have liked the asshat and never will. lonestarnot Oct 2016 #63
Then Hillary will have to do what Obama should have already done Rochester Oct 2016 #64
Constant obstruction has served the GOP well. It gave them Trump. Kablooie Oct 2016 #65
So..here it is, the truth.. Stuart G Oct 2016 #67
Dec 1969 #

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
16. Only lower court nominees
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:02 PM
Oct 2016

The SC was excluded, but with a majority in the Senate, that could be changed as well if the obstruction continues.

groundloop

(11,513 posts)
20. Hopefully Harry Reid will remember this movie and pass rules for the next Senate accordingly
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:18 PM
Oct 2016

Damned obstructionist repubs, cry and pitch a fit when they can't get their way. I know it's 20/20 hindsight but I wish Pres. Obama had kicked the shit out of them when they were down in 2009. I understand that it was a noble gesture to try to work with them, but there's no reason to repeat that after seeing for the last 8 years how they operate.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
6. He's talking tough for the Trumpkins who would have supported him
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:48 PM
Oct 2016

for reelection, but he's unendorsed Trump so he has to say something extreme and stupid to get them back.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
8. He sure is some maverick
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:48 PM
Oct 2016

I guess that description died when he unleashed Palin on the world. I wish he'd lose his senate race.

I used to like McCain. But after he lost to Obama in 2008, he sure turned into am mean, ugly old man.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
9. Statement actually may ease the minds of alt-right voters
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:49 PM
Oct 2016

We know it's wrong, but they may think of it as soothing.

I'm okay with it, because so long as we can retake congress, his comments won't matter.

GOTV! Every vote. Every state!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
52. The Senate has no obligation to consent to a nominee
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:00 PM
Oct 2016

I'm surprised at how often I see this on DU.

There are inherent tensions and conflicts in our system of government.

If the people would like to have a Senate that will consent to the President's nomination, then it is nobody's job but the VOTERS to elect a Senate which will do that.

If the people would like to have a Senate that will not consent, then the people can elect a Senate that will not consent.

But, no, nobody can sue the Senate to make them consent to a nominee if they don't want to.

It is nobody's fault but the people who elected them.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
57. *sigh* I know but I still kinda wish it could happen or
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:10 PM
Oct 2016

that it could be grounds for there being removed from office.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
58. It's a feature, not a bug
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:11 PM
Oct 2016

Look, bottom line - the American people have to come to a consensus on a few things. We're not doing that, so this is what we get.

This is how the political system is supposed to work. And by "work", I mean "not work" when the American people don't use it well.

It's in our hands to fix this.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
13. Has McCain lost his fucking mind, Really, doesnt he know Trump has NO coat tails...
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:57 PM
Oct 2016

Its just a shame now that anything he spews is bullshit.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
59. His point is PREMISED on Trump not having coat tails
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:13 PM
Oct 2016

The argument here is "We know Hillary is going to beat Trump, so we have to elect R Senators to oppose her."

That Trump will lose is a foregone conclusion in the argument McCain is making here. He's implicitly conceded that Hillary will win.

sba

(10 posts)
14. Take the fight to them
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 03:57 PM
Oct 2016

Thais is why it is VITAL to get down ballot Dems elected. Please join me in donating, volunteering, and making calls to not only get Hillary elected, but a Dem controlled Senate, and, dare I dream, House.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/

http://www.workingamericavotes.org/daily-kos/sign-up

https://act.moveon.org/survey/mo-dk-txt-team/

Hillary can't do it alone. Give her you vote, and a Congress she can work with
.


riversedge

(70,084 posts)
15. McCain walked back his comments Monday afternoon,...................................
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:01 PM
Oct 2016





...................As with many other things this campaign season, none of this may matter. Later on Monday, McCain, through a spokeswoman, reversed course on his earlier remarks about future Clinton nominees and noted he’d “vote for or against that individual based on their qualification,” according to Talking Points Memo.

The comments come amid a push by the Clinton campaign to spend aggressively in McCain’s home state, where Clinton is inching up on Trump in the polls, as well as plans for first lady Michelle Obama to visit Arizona on Thursday and do what she does best.

As for where Clinton and Trump stand on the Supreme Court, both candidates will likely be asked about it again at the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday, where Fox News’ Chris Wallace is expected to dedicate 15 minutes to the subject.

................................

McCain walked back his comments Monday afternoon, and this article has been updated to reflect that.

angrychair

(8,678 posts)
35. Hard to believe he means the walk back
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:14 PM
Oct 2016

Did he mean it then or does he mean it now? He was pretty unequivocal in his statements about not voting for any USSC nominees. I disregard his walk back and take him at his original statement that he and other republicans want a coup d'é·tat of our government and rule my authoritarian mandate.

world wide wally

(21,738 posts)
18. Dear Arizona Voters
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:05 PM
Oct 2016

It would be the humane thing to do to put the old goat out to pasture before he leaves us for good. Go vote!

kairos12

(12,842 posts)
46. I am from AZ and I will do my part. I visted his Office once as a courtesy being from the State,
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:49 PM
Oct 2016

his staff were as rude and dismissive as he is.

I can't stand him.

Marthe48

(16,898 posts)
21. 2 things
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:20 PM
Oct 2016

1. If Hillary wins in a landslide, that's a mandate, the peoples' voice. Any further obstruction will be dealt with in 2018, 2020 and beyond.

2. Let them obstruct. By obstructing, the asses are allowing things to stand as they are decided by lower courts, and I personally have been delighted to see so many cases left in our favor.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
32. The Democrats will almost certainly suffer a net loss of Senate seats in 2018
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:04 PM
Oct 2016

We'll have many Senators up for re-election in red states. They won with Obama's victory in 2012, but now they'll be bucking the usual GOP edge in midterms, along with the tendency of the President's party to lose seats (I'm assuming Clinton will win next month).

The biggest factor is the numbers. We have good prospects for a gain this year because the Republicans are defending more seats. In 2018 it's the reverse, with many more Democrats up for re-election.

We have good odds of a Senate majority in 2017-18. I don't think we can take a big enough edge to withstand the Republican gains in the midterms, though.

BumRushDaShow

(128,458 posts)
42. These are the 2018 seats
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:39 PM
Oct 2016


(includes (I)s Bernie and Angus)

The immediate concerning ones for me would be MT & ND.
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
50. Thanks for the map, very helpful!
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:52 PM
Oct 2016

I agree with you that Montana and North Dakota will be tough. I'd add Florida -- Nelson will be 76, will he run again? -- and Indiana, where Joe Donnelly won only after a bitter Republican primary that ousted Richard Lugar and produced Richard Mourdock, who put his foot in his mouth about rape.

The Republicans are defending seats in red states except for Nevada. There, Dean Heller, as a recent appointee to a vacant seat, won narrowly in 2012 while Obama was carrying the state. In 2018 he'll have the advantage of longer incumbency and the more GOP-friendly electorate. I don't see much prospect for any Democratic gains to offset losses.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
26. Sounds like a fool proof plan
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:49 PM
Oct 2016

at least if your goal is a Democratic supermajority after the 2018 elections. I know it's hard to get out the vote during midterms, but I think 2 more insane years of not filling the Supreme Court vacancy (or vacancies by then) might just do the trick.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
27. Rules for filibuster must be changed, especially for justice appointments, but I wonder if Dems....
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 04:50 PM
Oct 2016

have the spine. Reid allowed it to continue in spite of blockade of any real legislation by the Repukes, and...
resulted in country being set back in many ways.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
30. Aricle 2 section 2 US Constitution
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:00 PM
Oct 2016

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

bucolic_frolic

(43,045 posts)
31. These REPUBLICAN CLOWNS swore an oath on the Bible
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:01 PM
Oct 2016

to protect and defend the US Constitution and faithfully carry out their
duties

This is TREASON

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
36. The Clintons are formidible
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:28 PM
Oct 2016

It won't be any easy ride for the Repubs. This will not be Hillary's first rodeo.

tanyev

(42,516 posts)
37. Gosh, remember when every other word out of Republican's mouth was "up or down vote?"
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 05:45 PM
Oct 2016

Upperdown! Upperdown! Upperdown! I guess those particular parrots have ceased to be.

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
40. They're hoping Ruth dies and, with no one in her seat, they get back the majority....
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:02 PM
Oct 2016

...four conservatives, three liberals. Then again, if Thomas goes, the majority will be liberal and the republicans will very much be screwing themselves by not adding new ones.

Personally, I think McCain is just blowing smoke because so long as there is a 4-4 deadlock, lower court rulings stand and those favor liberals.

patricia92243

(12,591 posts)
41. There have been as few as five Supremes, so the Repubs can definitely hold
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Oct 2016

out on not nominating anybody. I wonder how low a number they would let the court get to before they felt like they need to do something.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
45. Hopefully, Republicans will NOT
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 06:48 PM
Oct 2016

have a Senate majority and hopefully McCain will be taking a long-deserved retirement from being a Senator at all.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
48. Really makes me worry about our country
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:22 PM
Oct 2016


The way the GOP has come to power, by using emotion instead of issues and the base they have created.

I really worry we may be in for an actual civil war eventually.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
51. "If you want change in Washington, vote Dems in for the Senate
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 07:55 PM
Oct 2016

the GOP plans are to just carry on with their obstruction and provide no solutions!"

That's the kind of discussion McCain is stimulating outside of the hardcore GOP

 

bagelsforbreakfast

(1,427 posts)
60. Isn't this getting really close to TREASON?
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 08:46 PM
Oct 2016

Willfully conspiring to bring down one of the 3 essential branches of the U.S. government?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
61. No
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 10:44 PM
Oct 2016

Are you suggesting that "consent" means that a Senator is compelled to give it?

No, it is not treason to disagree with the President.

Rochester

(838 posts)
64. Then Hillary will have to do what Obama should have already done
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 11:47 PM
Oct 2016

Nominate someone, and if there isn't a vote in a reasonable time, install that person on the court and dare the Senate to do something about it.

Kablooie

(18,610 posts)
65. Constant obstruction has served the GOP well. It gave them Trump.
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 12:40 AM
Oct 2016

If all they do is obstruct, nothing gets done, the country suffers, voters get angry and someone like Donald Trump is elected.

They'd better rethink this strategy.
Deliberately making government dysfunctional is a recipe for political suicide.

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
67. So..here it is, the truth..
Tue Oct 18, 2016, 10:19 AM
Oct 2016

but earlier he said he would vote for her Supreme Ct appointees....total asshole...

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