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Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:54 AM

What Hillary Clinton told Wall Street bankers in private, according to leaked emails

Source: Vox

Later, at Deutsche Bank in October 2014, Clinton said, “It’s important to recognize the vital role that the financial markets play in our economy and that so many of you are contributing to.” But she then pivoted to arguing that, “If there are issues, if there’s wrongdoing, people have to be held accountable and we have to try to deter future bad behavior, because the public trust is at the core of both a free market economy and a democracy.”

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In a couple of speeches, Clinton made remarks that could be construed as praise of single-payer health care systems, though they’re somewhat ambiguous and caveated.

During one June 2013 speech, Clinton discussed various health care systems across the globe, and said that single-payer was good in some ways (getting costs down at comparable quality) and bad in others (longer wait times)

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Then, in a January 2015 speech, she said that she hoped the US could move toward “affordable universal healthcare coverage like you have here in Canada” — which, you’ll notice, doesn’t necessarily mean single-payer specifically.

Read more: http://www.vox.com/2016/10/7/13206882/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-speeches-goldman



The Russians swoop into try to save the day for Trump with alleged hacked e-mails of the Clinton campaign, including e-mails that could be used by Republicans to argue that the reason she wants a public option is to transition to single payer.

Putin is putting in the work to try to save Trump's candidacy, including speaking on Trump's behalf to the U.N.

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Reply What Hillary Clinton told Wall Street bankers in private, according to leaked emails (Original post)
TomCADem Oct 2016 OP
napi21 Oct 2016 #1
TomCADem Oct 2016 #3
DeminPennswoods Oct 2016 #6
ehrnst Oct 2016 #11
DeminPennswoods Oct 2016 #13
napi21 Oct 2016 #20
ehrnst Oct 2016 #31
Calista241 Oct 2016 #21
LoverOfLiberty Oct 2016 #24
napi21 Oct 2016 #32
Calista241 Oct 2016 #34
napi21 Oct 2016 #36
ehrnst Oct 2016 #30
Mc Mike Oct 2016 #16
7962 Oct 2016 #8
underthematrix Oct 2016 #2
C Moon Oct 2016 #4
adigal Oct 2016 #5
DeminPennswoods Oct 2016 #7
underpants Oct 2016 #9
Schema Thing Oct 2016 #28
joshcryer Oct 2016 #37
nitpicker Oct 2016 #10
4lbs Oct 2016 #12
yardwork Oct 2016 #14
Kashkakat v.2.0 Oct 2016 #15
yurbud Oct 2016 #17
TomCADem Oct 2016 #18
yurbud Oct 2016 #19
TomCADem Oct 2016 #23
emulatorloo Oct 2016 #27
yurbud Oct 2016 #33
Moonwalk Oct 2016 #22
Moonwalk Oct 2016 #25
The_Casual_Observer Oct 2016 #26
TheDebbieDee Oct 2016 #29
Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2016 #35

Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:59 AM

1. Sorry Puttie, you aren't going to win this one. As others have already recognized, when ONE

person saves his behind, The Con does three NEW things that negate all the efforts of the people trying to salvage something out of his campaign.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:14 AM

3. Trump-Pence Must Have Gotten a Heads Up from Their Russian Friends

Here is Pence claiming that Hillary Clinton wants to turn Obamacare into single-payer.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-presidential-debate-fact-check/2016/10/pence-exaggerates-clinton-and-kaines-obamacare-position-229133

“Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine want to build on Obamacare. They want to expand it into a single-payer program.” -- Mike Pence

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 07:04 AM

6. single payer is very popular

I've had occassion over the past few years to have a lot of interaction with medical professionals and other families in the same boat as me. Not one person I've spoken with likes our private insurance-based healthcare system. It's gotten worse as the insurance companies are squeezing doctors, hospitals and other care providers to maintain profits. The paperwork apparently is a nightmare what with having to figure out the right medical codes and justifying the treatment/care plan. It's just a mess.

IMHO, if a publically financed (i.e. medicare) single payer healthcare were a national ballot question in November, it would win by a landslide.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:10 AM

11. However, there is the enormous problem of implementation

The effects of putting into reality would derail the health care system in the US if done in less than 10 years.

We can't put something like that as a national ballot initiative, because it is too complicated and has too many moving parts.

See also Brexit.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:41 AM

13. just sayin'

If Americans had a chance to have a direct say, they'd choose a single payer system overwhelmingly. But, obviously we'll never have a national ballot question about it.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:55 PM

20. I can see it taking 10 years to fully implement. Say 5 age groups each year-60 to 65, 55-60,

50-55 . Along the way, if things go smoother than expected, the program could be accelerated. I think the most difficult part would be setting the rules for coverage. Even in Countries with single payer, not EVERY treatment and surgery is free!

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Response to napi21 (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:26 PM

31. You maybe. Not people who actually do health policy analysis daily. (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:02 PM

21. And you'll be putting thousands and thousands of people

That work for existing health care providers out of work. Switching to single payer is a giant, enormous structural problem. You're going to have to answer all kinds of questions before you even get to square 1.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:11 PM

24. Are you talking about the middle-men?

The ones who skim so much off the top?

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:46 PM

32. Not true! Someone still has to process claims, reimburse Docs and hospitals and

all the other tasks that go on to make the current system work. The only ones who would lose their jobs are the execs of the current insurance cos and I for one don't much care. They've been riding the gravy train for a long time so they can just go off and have their martinis on the beach somewhere.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 06:16 PM

34. right now, each state's rules are different, so most insurance companies employ people in each state

so they're familiar with these rules and stuff gets filed / claimed properly.

One of the benefits of single payer, is that some guy in Washington will be processing your claim, instead of a bunch of people in all different states doing the same thing for their customers in those states. That's why there's a Blue Cross Blue Shield of Georgia, and New York, and Illinois, and California, etc..

you'd still be taking 10 jobs, and turning them into 1 job (that's purely an example). And something like 1/3 of the US economy is health care related. This is a BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG problem.

I do think Single payer / medicare style healthcare is the way to go, but whoever proposes that had better have their ducks in a row, or that political party is going to be out of office for a generation.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #34)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:44 PM

36. I agree that a lot of the duplicate efferts would be consolidated. However that sti;ll doesn't mean

one person can do the job of 10. There would be some shrinking the # of people employed in claims processing but I think those job losses will have to be absorbed into the general economy, similar to companies closing, moving overseas, or just going away like mining.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:25 PM

30. Do you have an in-depth knowledge of health policy? The web of economics involved?

Those that do say it would be a mistake.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:35 AM

16. Wait a minute. What could really save the day for dRUmpf

would be having Putin come out in an ad to talk about the horrors of socialized medicine. How living in a communist country that gives all it's people socialized access to medical care is like living in hell.

A few 90 sec adds, strategically placed in the right swing states and timeslots, and tRump is back on track.

Vlad Putin speaking from the heart to red area far righties and brain-dead undecideds.

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Response to napi21 (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 07:14 AM

8. there you have it.

 

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:07 AM

2. I want Hillary to include Wall Street as partners because

we need them. They get a seat but not the table.

To me there's nothing here. I see it as good.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 03:35 AM

4. It's funny that the only defense the right has against Hillary...

is that she's leaning to the right.
Go to hell ASSange the asskisser. You've made it quite obvious now who you're fighting for: yourself, and the rightwing.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:24 AM

5. These things she said actually make her look better

 

So it's a major FAIL.

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Response to adigal (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 07:05 AM

7. agree

she's right where most Americans are.

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Response to adigal (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 07:25 AM

9. I agree. I have no problem with what she said.

At least what is in this article. She very smartly sidestepped blindly supporting them and being antagonistic. The right will pounce on the "open borders" NEW WORLD ORDER you know but she can always say it was related to trade (which I think it was).

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Response to adigal (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:00 PM

28. agree.

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Response to adigal (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:49 PM

37. They also prove unequivocally that there's nothing bad in them.

The email in question lists all of her most controversial statements made in her speeches, in order to counter the language coming out in a leak or whatever.

Most what she was concerned about? Her more private left leaning positions.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 09:48 AM

12. If anything, most of this stuff, if confirmed to be true, would actually endear her more to the

more progressive and liberal parts of the Democratic party and the electorate at large.

Sooo.....

Thanks Assange?

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 10:42 AM

14. I agree with her. This is the big reveal? Meh.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 11:07 AM

15. Day late, dollar short-we kinda already know about dem establishment's

relationship w/ wall street - ie critical but not openly antagonistic, accepting contributions, not as aggressive as might be warranted etc.

Besides it could even be argued that centrists/moderates are a good thing to have in political process because they can play "good cop" to the more aggressive progressive activist's "bad cop" (figuratively speaking). Thats exactly how progressive changes have come about throughout much of american history - labor movement, 60s anti war movement etc.

These emails might have made a difference in primaries but right now - sorry Trumpskies - we've kinda moved on from there. Try to keep up.
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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:03 PM

17. in the age of Wikileaks, Hillary should have beat them to the punch and followed with something to

Keep the left in the tent.

Blaming Russia for these leaks does nothing to detract from the content.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:13 PM

18. Really? Look at Single Payer, She Does Not Want to Promise It...

...she does have the public option in her plan, but if she starts promising single payer, then there is no way she is even going to get a public option, because everyone will say that it is just a step to single payer, which is just too big a heavy lift politically with a divided Congress.

Also, look at free trade. Hillary is not committed to opposing TPP, but I doubt that she wants to re-open all other trade agreements. Even Trump has walked back from ripping up trade agreements to a more vague renegotiation of trade agreements.

Put another way, I understand that in non-public settings, a policy maker needs to be able to think out loud and consider and respond to options that they do not want to formally adopt into a campaign promise. Single payer is a prime example, since here she is telling a group that probably is not friendly to it that she sort of likes it, but she does not want to commit to it publicly even though this would score points with the left, because it is not tough politically, but it also impairs her ability to achieve goals like a public option.


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Response to TomCADem (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 12:53 PM

19. re single payer, that us an odd way to negotiate

If you have a policy option that is popular, wouldn't it make sense to start for something even more popular, then settle for what you actually want?

Also, there is one way to get Wall Street behind single payer: the big short.

Tell them those companies are going down, and this is their chance to score BIG shorting their DEMISE.

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Response to yurbud (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:08 PM

23. With the ACA, President Obama Has to Deal With the Single Payer Bill That...

...was introduced in May 2009, which did not have the votes to pass, which delayed progress on the ACA bill with a public option. Of course, Edward Kennedy died in August 2009, which reduced President Obama's available votes.

While some folks might argue that the introduction of the single payer bill helped make the ACA stronger, you could also argue that it divided support on the left and made the fight harder, which resulted in a weaker bill without a public option.

Put another way, right or wrong, Hillary seems to like single payer given that she is talking about it in a group that is not disposed to like it, but she does not want to try to push for it in her first term. She wants to push for a public option. Now, if we had a strong public option that worked, does it smooth the path for single payer, since all the infrastructure is in place?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:46 PM

27. Stop moving the goddamned goalposts. You expected a "deal with the devil" because that lying

incompetent ass-hat Jeff Weaver spun those speeches that way.

Now you see there's no there there. Jeff was lying. he proved he would say ANYTHING to smear HRC, attack her character.

Now you see a plan from HRC for moving to single payer that actually lays out a doable political roadmap to get from here to there

Since you didn't get your "HRC is Wallstreet's evil Whore Fix"' your knee-jerk response is to still smear her, even though she wants single payer and wants to do exactly what we want.

Furthermore you attempt to pretend Russia had nothing to do with this, when the US government/intellegence experts say Putin's fingerprints are all over these hacks.

Listen I've read your posts a long time. I know you are a good person.

But it is time for you to stop shitting on HRC. Stop lying about her. Your Weavers and your "Turks" and your Goodman's were all too happy to lie, smear, promote right wing memes.

Provided a good payday for them, and I say all this as a Bernie primary supporter.

They were full of shit. You are better than this.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 05:18 PM

33. on Russia, whether they had anything to do with these leaks or not, I do not support escalating

tensions with them and China, nor do I support our involvement in Syria.

If our government was serious about defeating ISIS, we and our Gulf allies would stop funding and arming them and groups like that, and we would stop our allies like Turkey from doing business with them.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:03 PM

22. Who's minds is this suppose to change? She looks more liberal to the...

...progressives who voted for Bernie, and she looks more conservative to the libertarians. She seems to affirm that she is smart, that she is looking at all sides of the issue (this is what's good about this, this is what is not good...we value you but we're not going to let you get away with murder...). That she isn't going to quick, one-size-fits-all fix-it schemes like the GOP; that she's willing to alter, change and adjust ideas to fit America, not just import them without examining what will and will not succeed. She sounds...rational!

And Pence is going to have to twist himself into a pretzel if he thinks he can make the health care comment into some kind of bombshell that shocks and scares. The GOP haven't been able to repeal Obamacare, not after umpteen number of votes, and yes, it was stepping stone. A taste of what voters can have, and now they've had it, like it and want more. So the GOP really can't scream "universal health care!" at their voters and expect the voters to panic. It's not like "Emails!" or "Bengazi!" This is "free health care!"

And their voters go, "Hmmmmm. That doesn't sound so bad."

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:20 PM

25. I think we can say that Trump is taking down Assange as well as the GOP....

Never as WikiLeaks come across as so...irrelevant. No October surprise and this is the best they can offer? She "hopes" for affordable healthcare in the future? Financial markets play a vital role but need oversight? This we're suppose to shake up voter faith in her after we've learned that a presidential candidate lost nearly a billion dollars in failed business ventures, has paid taxes in 18 years, likely has very compromising ties to Russia, and forces himself on women? A man being sued for fraud and likely to be up on charges of rape?

Like I said, never has WikiLeaks been so irrelevant.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 01:28 PM

26. Malware According to a bunch of shaved head mooks in Russia ....

Same sort of reptiles that being us Cryptowall and other malware.

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 02:26 PM

29. Have these emails even been authenticated, yet?

 

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Response to TomCADem (Original post)

Sat Oct 8, 2016, 08:03 PM

35. So, overall, it makes me wonder if the leaks are acutally

meant to support Clinton. At least with the mainstream. I wanted Sanders, but I cannot imagine a leak that would change my belief that she is 1000 times better than Trump and that my vote must go to her.

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