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Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:26 AM

 

Bullet casings found on campus with anti-campus carry sign defaced

Source: The Daily Texan

Three bullet casings have been found around campus, according to Patricia Roberts-Miller, a professor in the rhetoric and writing department.

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Casey Boyle, a rhetoric and writing professor, posted pictures of one of the bullets found by a staff member on Twitter on Friday. A note in the bullet said “Triggered?”

The pictures Boyle posted also showed a Gun Free UT sign near the bullet defaced with the words “In the land of the pigs, the butcher is king. Oink… Oink… Oink.”

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“We have said all along that campus carry will lead to accidental gun discharges and the use of lethal weapons to try to intimidate people,” said Stephen Wechsler, a linguistics professor and Gun Free UT member, in an email. “Now a gun owner is making the second point by leaving a gun shell casing and a threatening note outside the offices of our members. This illustrates the primary function of lethal weapons in America: to settle arguments through violence or the threat of violence. Unfortunately, those who tried to reassure everyone that campus carry will make no difference are being proven wrong.“

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Read more: http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2016/09/20/bullet-casings-found-on-campus-with-anti-campus-carry-sign-defaced

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Reply Bullet casings found on campus with anti-campus carry sign defaced (Original post)
stone space Sep 2016 OP
Dustlawyer Sep 2016 #1
alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #2
ananda Sep 2016 #3
forgotmylogin Sep 2016 #4
crim son Sep 2016 #5
Marengo Sep 2016 #6
Aristus Sep 2016 #7
Marengo Sep 2016 #8
Aristus Sep 2016 #14
Marengo Sep 2016 #17
Aristus Sep 2016 #18
Marengo Sep 2016 #20
Aristus Sep 2016 #21
Marengo Sep 2016 #26
mark67 Sep 2016 #9
Marengo Sep 2016 #10
mark67 Sep 2016 #12
Marengo Sep 2016 #13
Aristus Sep 2016 #15
Marengo Sep 2016 #22
Aristus Sep 2016 #24
Marengo Sep 2016 #25
mark67 Sep 2016 #16
Marengo Sep 2016 #19
Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #27
branford Sep 2016 #23
mark67 Sep 2016 #28
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #29
branford Sep 2016 #31
Hangingon Sep 2016 #11
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #30
stone space Sep 2016 #32
friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #33

Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 06:41 AM

1. Stupid law enacted by a corrupt Texas legislature.

Clearly a law that will cause more harm than good over the years. Those campaign contributions from the gun lobby are worth more than lives to these Texas politicians.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 07:08 AM

2. Gun nut shitheads are some of the worst people in America

 

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:17 AM

3. This law has not gone down well here in Austin.

Thank goodness!

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:22 AM

4. I have such dread about this.

"Concealed Carry" to some people of the type who accomplished defacing this property reads as "Shoot Anywhere".

I am so afraid that it will take some unarmed student or teacher getting shot point blank for something they say to make some people realize how stupid this is.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 11:32 AM

5. I am reminded of when I lived in the country and the "good guys with guns"

shot down all my "No Hunting" signs. I had two toddlers and twenty-one acres. My respect for gun owners is zero.

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Response to crim son (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 12:50 PM

6. All gun owners behave that way?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:00 PM

7. The ones who don't obviously aren't the problem.

I'm a medical practitioner. Want to know the taxonomic names of the millions of species of bacteria that pose no threat to humans? Of course not. No one does. Because they aren't a threat. It's helpful to know the names of the pathogenic species of bacteria, so we know how to prevent or treat infection.

Are we being mean, and picking on all those nice bacteria when we warn of the dangers of MRSA? No.

But then, bacteria don't have their own Constitutional Amendment to fall back on...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:10 PM

8. What an absolute absurdity. Do you have "zero respect" for bacteria?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:01 PM

14. Not at all. I have a strong clinical respect for bacteria.

The thing is, bacteria, even the deadly pathogens, aren't evil. They're just doing what they were born to do.

A gun nut who intimidates sane people while open-carrying in the local grocery store, or shooting up 'No Hunting' signs, as above, is a form of evil; using fear and intimidation in order to feel better about himself.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:06 PM

17. How then does that justify "zero respect" for all gun owners? Are all gun owners the nuts...

 

You refer to?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:09 PM

18. Do they need my respect?

Is their desire for validation so strong that they need the approbation of someone who thinks most of them are lunatics?

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Response to Aristus (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:16 PM

20. Most gun owners are lunatics? What is the percentage in your opinion?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:23 PM

21. Hard to say.

I don't understand the desire to own something that, if used as intended, to kill, will most likely end up killing a family member, or be used to commit suicide.

Anyway, gun enthusiasts tend to think small. I was an M1A1 tank crewman in the Army. My tank boasted a 120mm smoothbore Rheinmetall cannon that could destroy any armored vehicle on any battlefield.

So when I hear guys bragging about their Glocks or their AR-15's, I just think: "That's so cute!..."

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Response to Aristus (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 03:15 PM

26. I'm inclined to think you mean all in honesty. As for tanks, although not my MOS...

 

I was assigned to a tank battalion in the USMC and cross trained as a loader on the M60A1. A far different animal and not for the better. Visibility was terrible, although I had my own hatch. Nearly everything about that model sucked. I left before the M1 entered USMC service.

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Response to mark67 (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:17 PM

10. Do you own kitchen knives? What are you doing to police your own, to prevent irresponsible...

 

And criminal use?

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Response to mark67 (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:57 PM

13. Nah, it works and you know it. So, I presume you are doing nothing, taking no action?

 

Why not, don't you care about victims of knife violence?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #13)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:03 PM

15. They don't tend to go down in body counts surpassing three or four at most.

The whole knife analogy was dismissed as an absurdity by rational people long ago.

You'll have to sell crazy somewhere else...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:27 PM

22. 19 dead in Tokyo, 33 dead in Kunming, 6 dead in Chicago, 8 dead in Australia...

 

5 police officers dead in Shanghai, another 8 in Osaka, 5 in Oklahoma.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:34 PM

24. That's around the world over the last three years.

Those numbers would represent gun deaths in the US alone over the space of a month or two.

Nice try, though...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:38 PM

25. Ah, so body counts are not high enough for you to take an active part in advocating sensible...

 

Legislation in the United States designed to reduce the lethality of knives?

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Response to mark67 (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:12 PM

19. Well, if you really cared, you would be advocating legislatiion to limit knife length, configuration

 

As in prohibiting the manufacture of knives with sharp points, and possibly a background check similar to the NICS system.

Some of these proposals have precedence:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7508404.stm

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Response to mark67 (Reply #16)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 04:08 PM

27. Typical name calling and insults is all some have

 

Can you list these mythical NRA talking points? Or are they anything you disagree with.

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Response to mark67 (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:33 PM

23. "Refuse to police their own?"

 

What utter garbage.

There are estimated to be 80-100+ million legal gun owners and over 350+ million guns in the United States. Even at the high crime levels of the 1990's, which have since been cut in half, the proportion of legal firearm owners convicted of criminal misuse of their firearm or even simple negligence is barely a statistical note. Occasional terrible news stories and anecdotes and a largely anti-gun press do not constitute actual data.

I also assume you're mistakenly and absurdly including those already illegally possessing, not less criminally using, firearms as part of the set of "good guys." Regulations like firearm prohibitions for the adjudicated dangerously mentally ill and convicted felons are already widely supported by both the the NRA and the much wider universe of firearm owners and their supporters. The question you should be asking is why aren't district attorneys in Democratic strongholds like Chicago more aggressively pursuing gun crimes and related matters like already illegal straw purchases. Unfortunately, you'll need to look at the largely 'urban" demographics of those criminally possessing (the vast majority in areas governed by Democrats), although any resulting discussions will largely play into conservative hands concerning "law and order" policies or fear of minorities (are you prepared to effectively abandon policies to reduce the number of young African-American men in prison?).

Lastly, regardless of whether Clinton or (God forbid) Trump is elected, the state of firearm regulation will almost certainly not change much, if at all, at either the national or state level. As Obama's suggested legislation and minor and ancillary executive orders readily attest, national gun control requires a compliant Congress, and there is absolutely no indication that there'll be such a radical shift in American culture and demographics that would support such policies. State legislatures have similar issues, and gun rights are VERY popular and important in many areas of the country.



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Response to mark67 (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 09:35 PM

29. Bold claims for someone with no demonstable moral authority

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Response to mark67 (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 11:13 PM

31. Following the former poster's logic,

 

why don't hardcore opiate addicts "police their own," and if they don't, well then you surely will support draconian legislation to punish all drug users, from pot on up?

Complaining about the NRA also doesn't substitute for data and is not some magic that ends a discussion. Whether you like it or not, the number of legal gun owners involved in crime is statistically insignificant, those participating in such crimes are already prohibited from gun ownership and hail from demographics and geography well within the Democratic umbrella, and the NRA (which only represents about 5% of gun owners) and most everyone else who owns firearms or supports gun rights, already support current restriction on felons and the adjudicated mentally ill from owning guns and frequently complain that the government, federal and state, refuses to prosecute gun and related crime like straw purchases, often for questionable or politically dubious reasons or simple pandering.

Additionally, although I'm not a member of the NRA (and don't own any firearms), I will at least honestly discuss the organization. The NRA (as opposed to the NRA-ILA, the lobbying arm) is the gold-standard for firearm safety and training, and advocate quite vocally for responsible ownership and use if guns. Just because you appear to believe that the only responsible gun ownership is no private ownership, or something very close to it, doesn't change reality.

If you want to oppose the political strength of the NRA to advocate for your policies, you first need to accept data that may not support your views and be honest about who and what the NRA stands for and whom they represent without hyperbole or dismissiveness.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 01:50 PM

11. Reader comments from the Daily Texan article are interesting.

Appears that not all are opposed to the law. There are suspicions about the finding of the casings.

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Tue Sep 20, 2016, 10:16 PM

30. Certainly just as many were harmed by those bullet casings as dildos- i.e., none...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 21, 2016, 06:16 AM

32. I think that you misjudge the harm caused by such intimidation and threats.

 

Certainly just as many were harmed by those bullet casings as dildos- i.e., none...


This is taking place on a university campus.

Students are trying to study for their first exam and midterms in the face of these threats and intimidation.

Terrorism does indeed cause harm, even if nobody is injured or killed.









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Response to stone space (Reply #32)

Thu Sep 22, 2016, 12:40 PM

33. What of survivors of sexual assault who might be triggered by the sight of a dildo or vibrator?

Should they be expected to 'take one for the team', so to speak?

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