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chascarrillo

(3,897 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:27 PM Jul 2016

After Reports to the Contrary, Tim Kaine Says He Still Supports the Hyde Amendment

Source: Jezebel

In an interview Friday morning with CNN, Vice Presidential candidate Tim Kaine said that he still supports the Hyde Amendment. Kaine said that, despite reports, “I have not changed my position,” on the bill which bans the use of federal money on abortion services.

At the beginning of the Democratic National Convention, spokespeople for both Clinton and Kaine said that he would support a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Clinton committed to repealing Hyde early in her campaign, and the Democratic platform reiterated that position. The amendment, which primarily impacts Medicaid recipients, has long been the target of pro-choice activists who argue that it targets the reproductive health care of poor women.

Read more: http://theslot.jezebel.com/after-reports-to-the-contrary-tim-kaine-says-he-still-1784517097

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After Reports to the Contrary, Tim Kaine Says He Still Supports the Hyde Amendment (Original Post) chascarrillo Jul 2016 OP
.Glad he's at least honest lark Jul 2016 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #2
Sounds like you should trust him but disagree with him FBaggins Jul 2016 #3
I want to trust him. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #4
Beliefs and practice are completely different. One can have personal positions that conflict with.. George II Jul 2016 #6
Not exactly. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #9
I'm glad you're the arbitrator of Christianity. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2016 #11
I am far from that. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #13
A religious Catholic can practice his/her Catholicism without imposing it on everyone around him. George II Jul 2016 #12
Exactly, elleng Jul 2016 #26
But in Kaine's case, you can easily check his voting record and his actions taken as governor. spooky3 Jul 2016 #21
He put his signature on an amendment defining marriage as for one man and one woman Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #22
"How...Kaine evolved on same sex marriage" spooky3 Jul 2016 #30
So "you can trust his voting record", except when you can't. Warren Stupidity Jul 2016 #38
I said nothing of the sort, and the info posted is inconsistent with your interpretation. spooky3 Jul 2016 #39
What was the vote? Was it veto proof? I defy anyone to find a single candidate/official who... George II Jul 2016 #32
"Virginia's governor has no veto power over constitutional amendments." spooky3 Jul 2016 #33
I have found no evidence to support your claim that he signed it -- or that any VA gov spooky3 Jul 2016 #35
Total lie. That became law by being ratified by the Citizens of VA. It was FSogol Jul 2016 #40
A lady I know is Catholic from the waist up Marthe48 Jul 2016 #37
I have many, many friends that went the "education by Jesuit" route, remain DonViejo Jul 2016 #5
Then they are not hardcore Catholics. Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #10
One of those friends happens to be a Jesuit priest... DonViejo Jul 2016 #17
It's not honest witness to suggest that those clerics openly hold Pro Choice positions in Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #23
Oh really? You know my friends well enough to tell me they don't hold openly pro-choice DonViejo Jul 2016 #25
So who is the Monsignor that is openly Pro Choice? Look, all sorts of folks whisper Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #31
Not one of these folks "whisper" their positions on choice; they have DonViejo Jul 2016 #34
If he doesn't change that, it'll be a real problem he'll have with DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #7
Actually, his viewpoint won't matter mdbl Jul 2016 #15
that's true too DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #16
Just wanted to soothe it for ya a little mdbl Jul 2016 #18
... DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #19
And she will get it. leftofcool Jul 2016 #29
Did anyone ask if it were personal or political? He is personally sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #8
That doesn't make sense in the context of the Hyde Amendment, LeftyMom Jul 2016 #43
He personally can support the Hyde amendment while casting sinkingfeeling Jul 2016 #50
He did as a sentator loyalsister Jul 2016 #57
A man who says he is "personally" prolife is actually saying loyalsister Jul 2016 #58
Hyde Amendment is named for hypocrite Henry Hyde... mpcamb Jul 2016 #14
Jesus christ this thread is disgusting. Kurska Jul 2016 #20
Seriously. a la izquierda Jul 2016 #24
wonder how many zika babies hes going to adopt elehhhhna Jul 2016 #28
Tim Kaine has a lifetime rating of 100% from NARAL & Planned Parenthood. FSogol Jul 2016 #41
Actually, his record is mixed. suffragette Jul 2016 #42
Your comments about his actions as governor are not true and don't take FSogol Jul 2016 #46
His record was mixed as Governor, which is why NARAL did not endorse him in 2005, suffragette Jul 2016 #53
Are you calling Tim Kaine a liar? Because that's not what he says. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #44
See reply #46. n/t FSogol Jul 2016 #47
So Tim Kaine doesn't know Tim Kaine's position or the context. Got it. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #48
You are taking a moment out of the past where the GOP was placing FSogol Jul 2016 #49
Some of the concern is obviously based on spooky3 Jul 2016 #52
Yup, you called it. n/t FSogol Jul 2016 #59
They made a political calculation. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #54
So, disregard NARAL and Planned Parenthood 'cause you said so? FSogol Jul 2016 #56
Hell no. Go to the primary sources. Look at his actual statements and record. LeftyMom Jul 2016 #60
Those ratings are from long before he ever became the VP nominee. FSogol Jul 2016 #61
He'll walk that back shortly. Skinner Jul 2016 #27
We'll see. ananda Jul 2016 #36
I am annoyed as fuck by all of this, but Trump is so much worse truthisfreedom Jul 2016 #45
Mike Pence and the Republican platform Freddie Jul 2016 #51
So a woman on Medicaid infected with the zika virus has no option but to bear Vinca Jul 2016 #55
Kaine was an absolutely terrible choice for VP. She should have picked Vilsack. StevieM Jul 2016 #62
He's a devout Catholic, what do people expect him to say? Odin2005 Jul 2016 #63
I heard him talk about this on the news today. KewlKat Jul 2016 #64

lark

(23,065 posts)
1. .Glad he's at least honest
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jul 2016

though I do wish he would re-evaluate this point and change his mind as he's wrong, IMO.

Response to chascarrillo (Original post)

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
3. Sounds like you should trust him but disagree with him
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jul 2016

If he changed his stripes for political expediency... then you would have reason not to trust him.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
4. I want to trust him.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

But, Catholic beliefs are in complete opposition to progressive beliefs. When someone says I am personally pro-life but I don't care what other do with their body is lying in one way or the other. That is, either he hates abortion because he is a good Catholic but says he doesn't care if a woman chooses to have abortion to win votes or he pretends to be a good Catholic regarding abortion issues but really is a progressive when it comes to reproductive rights. Regardless, he is either lying that he is a Catholic (given his history this is unlikely) or he is lying that he supports women's choice.

One cannot be a good Catholic and allow abortions.

This is just from my personal history of growing up Catholic and going to a Jesuit Catholic University.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. Beliefs and practice are completely different. One can have personal positions that conflict with..
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

....professional actions.

Saying that he's "lying" is uncalled for.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
9. Not exactly.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

One cannot be a very religious Catholic and pro-choice. Trust me, one cannot be a religious Catholic and be pro-choice. And, if one is personally against abortions but is personally pro choice is being pro choice. Thus, his pro-choice stance is diametrically opposed to his Catholic beliefs. So, he can only be one or the other.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
21. But in Kaine's case, you can easily check his voting record and his actions taken as governor.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016

That gives people a basis for trust (or not). You don't have to rely on his statements or promises (as with Trump, for example).

Kaine's record is very clear.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. He put his signature on an amendment defining marriage as for one man and one woman
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

as governor and he did so after having said he'd veto it as candidate. He said he'd keep is own personal bigotries out of it, but in the end that's not what happened. Kaine's record suggests he needs to be watched like a hawk and held to a very high standard on some issues.

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. What was the vote? Was it veto proof? I defy anyone to find a single candidate/official who...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jul 2016

....agrees with anyone's positions on issues 100% of the time.

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
35. I have found no evidence to support your claim that he signed it -- or that any VA gov
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jul 2016

has any role in constitutional amendments. Amendments go from the assembly to the voters directly (if they get through the assembly).

https://ballotpedia.org/Amending_state_constitutions#Virginia

"Virginia

See also: Article XII of the Virginia Constitution and Laws governing ballot measures in Virginia

The Virginia Constitution can be amended through two different paths:

The Virginia State Legislature can propose amendments through legislatively referred constitutional amendments as established in Section 1 of Article XII.

These can be proposed in either house of the Virginia General Assembly.
If a proposed amendment is approved by a simple majority vote in one session of the state legislature, it is automatically referred to the next session of the state legislature that occurs after the next general election of members of the Virginia House of Delegates.
If, in that second session, the proposed amendment is "agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house," it is then placed before the state's voters.
It can go on a special or general election ballot.
If approved by a simple majority vote, it becomes part of the state's constitution.

Amendments to or revisions of the state's constitution can be proposed by a constitutional convention as established in Section 2 of Article XII.

A convention can happen if the state's legislature "by a vote of two-thirds of the members elected to each house" calls a convention.

Virginia does not feature the power of initiative for either initiated constitutional amendments or initiated state statutes."

So please post your evidence. Thanks.

FSogol

(45,448 posts)
40. Total lie. That became law by being ratified by the Citizens of VA. It was
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jul 2016

a public referendum and never signed by the Governor. The courts threw it out. Stop spreading misinformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall-Newman_Amendment

SB 526 Constitutional amendment; marriage may exist only between a man and woman.

Constitutional amendment (voter referendum); marriage. Provides for a referendum at the November 2006 election on approval of a proposed constitutional amendment to define marriage. The proposed amendment provides that "only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions." The proposed amendment also prohibits the Commonwealth and its political subdivisions from creating or recognizing "a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage." Further, the proposed amendment prohibits the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions from creating or recognizing "another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage." This bill is identical to HB 101.

<SNIP>
03/15/06 House: Signed by Speaker
03/16/06 Senate: Signed by President
04/10/06 House: Bill became law without Governor's signature, Chapter 828 (effective 7/1/06)
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?061+sum+SB526

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
5. I have many, many friends that went the "education by Jesuit" route, remain
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

"hardcore" Catholic and all of them support a woman's right to choose. One of those Jesuit educated friends is my Dad.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
17. One of those friends happens to be a Jesuit priest...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jul 2016

another is a Monsignor. Another friend's an RC nun.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. It's not honest witness to suggest that those clerics openly hold Pro Choice positions in
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jul 2016

their Church lives, you know that is not the case. You are suggesting RCC has Pro Choice clergy that say that out loud. That's bullshit.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
25. Oh really? You know my friends well enough to tell me they don't hold openly pro-choice
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

views? Please excuse me while I tell you that you don't know what you're talking about

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
31. So who is the Monsignor that is openly Pro Choice? Look, all sorts of folks whisper
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jul 2016

things to friends they do not live truthfully in public. That's what any RCC cleric who is pro choice does or they get sacked. I don't have to know your friends to know that. Your want to suggest that you know ranking RCC clergy that teach pro-choice openly. It's not true, they are RCC clergy.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
34. Not one of these folks "whisper" their positions on choice; they have
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jul 2016

spoken out publicly (Monsignor Scully from the pulpit in his Church), dealt with the repercussions and yet, continue to be pro-choice. They caught more hell for being pro-marriage equality than they did for being pro-choice (which shocked them and those of us that are friends with them). Please continue to believe whatever you wish; these three friends are, and will continue to be, testimony to the fact your assertions are wrong, wrong, wrong.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
7. If he doesn't change that, it'll be a real problem he'll have with
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary. SHE wants that loathsome amendment GONE.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
15. Actually, his viewpoint won't matter
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

He will have to support Hillary's position as her vice president so he can blow as much smoke as he wants about the subject.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
43. That doesn't make sense in the context of the Hyde Amendment,
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 05:10 AM
Jul 2016

unless you're saying that he's only opposed to federal funds paying for his abortion?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
57. He did as a sentator
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

Not so much as governor. He signed laws for parental consent, the usual pro lifer symbolic "partial birth" abortion ban to prevent women from having abortions after having spent six months pregnant, and "informed" consent, which is one of the most offensive and demeaning to women policies.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
58. A man who says he is "personally" prolife is actually saying
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jul 2016

I wouldn't let my wife or daughter have one, since that is the closest it is to him ever having a "personal" investment in a pregnancy. Surely he is capable of conveying his thoughts on what women do with their bodies without sounding like he thinks he has the right to judge the choices of women everywhere.

mpcamb

(2,868 posts)
14. Hyde Amendment is named for hypocrite Henry Hyde...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jul 2016

(R-IL) who lead the charge in the House to impeach Clinton.
Hyde himself had a long-standing affair that was documented in Salon.com . In 1998 they "published "This Hypocrite Broke Up My Family" which stated that from 1965 to 1969, Hyde conducted an extramarital sexual affair with Cherie Snodgrass."
Hyde eventually admitted the charge but attributed the relationship to "youthful indiscretions".
Hyde was married and 41 years old when the affair occurred.

The amendment, as mentioned above, largely impacts poorer people's reproductive choices.
Hyde was from a wealthy Republican district.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
20. Jesus christ this thread is disgusting.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

Since when was "pro-choice" an optional thing for a member for a presidential ticket? You realize he is going to be a heart beat away from becoming the most powerful person in America? Yet you're going to let him skate on this?

God damn...

FSogol

(45,448 posts)
41. Tim Kaine has a lifetime rating of 100% from NARAL & Planned Parenthood.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jul 2016

He has always supported a woman's right to choose. His views are no different than Joe Bidens.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
42. Actually, his record is mixed.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 03:21 AM
Jul 2016
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/hillary-clinton-and-her-vp-pick-dont-agree-abortion-rights

Kaine has a 100 percent rating from Planned Parenthood and has long said he doesn't personally believe in abortion but supports it as a legal right. Still, he has had a mixed record on the issue during his political career. As governor of Virginia from 2006 to 2010, Kaine supported a partial-birth abortion ban, as well as a parental notification measure. NARAL refused to support his gubernatorial bid, and in 2009 Kaine signed a bill that created "Choose Life" license plates whose proceeds are funneled to anti-abortion groups.

But as Clinton's VP vetting process this year ramped up, Kaine appeared to be more outspoken in his support of abortion rights, presumably to further align himself with the direction of the party. He issued an approving statement on the Supreme Court's June decision to invalidate two Texas abortion restrictions. "I applaud the Supreme Court for seeing the Texas law for what it is—an attempt to effectively ban abortion and undermine a woman’s right to make her own health care choices," he wrote. And later in June, the Huffington Post pointed out that Kaine had suddenly signed on as a co-sponsor to the Women's Health Protection Act—a bill that would ban states from passing medically unneccesary restrictions on abortion that has been slowly moving through Congress for three years with dozens of sponsors.

Earlier this week, Kaine was reported to have changed his position on the Hyde Amendment: Bloomberg News reported that spokespeople for both Clinton's campaign and Kaine had told the outlet that Kaine had said privately that he would support the Hyde repeal. His interview on CNN Friday rolled back those statements, creating a rift between Kaine and the party that pro-choice advocates thought had been resolved. "In this campaign, Hillary Clinton has broken new ground with her frank talk about the damaging effect of denying poor women basic reproductive healthcare," wrote NARAL President Ilyse Hogue in a statement released Friday afternoon. "This is why Senator Kaine's statement earlier today that he opposes repealing the discriminatory Hyde amendment was deeply disappointing."



Apparently, his voting record in the Senate has been pro-choice, but his actions as Governor were not.

To be honest, I did not know that much about him before, so am now reading up more on his positions and actions. I agree with NARAL in finding his newest statement disappointing.



FSogol

(45,448 posts)
46. Your comments about his actions as governor are not true and don't take
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:37 AM
Jul 2016

into account the actions the gop controlled house and senate were taking in VA at that time. Kaine has always been on the side of a woman's right to choose.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
53. His record was mixed as Governor, which is why NARAL did not endorse him in 2005,
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jul 2016

but did express hope in working with him since he was willing to listen, as opposed to the virulent anti-choice Republican candidate.

So no, he has not "always been on the side of a woman's right to choose."

Yes, he was better than complete anti-choice candidates. That's why his record was "mixed" rather than solidly one way or another.

Yes, his record has improved once he left the Governor's office and campaigned for and became a Senator.

The mixed record is why his seeming change in stance on Hyde is troubling.





http://www.naralva.org/media/press/20050817.shtml
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEAugust 17, 2005
Governor

There is no question that Republican Jerry Kilgore is an extremely anti-choice candidate who would sign a bill eliminating the right to choose in Virginia, and who might even sign legislation curtailing access to contraception for Virginians. Tim Kaine, the Democrat, has said he would not sign such legislation, but he embraces many of the restrictions on a woman's right to choose that are opposed by NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia. We cannot therefore offer any endorsement in this year's race for governor. Having said that, Tim Kaine has listened closely to our concerns during his campaign, while Kilgore's office did not even respond to requests for meetings on the issue. Between these two men, we see more hope for the women of Virginia in Kaine's candidacy and we are eager and willing to work with him on these important issues should he be elected.


http://www.naralva.org/media/press/20090330.shtml
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEMarch 30, 2009
Money generated by "Choose Life" license plates will fund anti-choice "fake clinics"
ALEXANDRIA, VA–Today NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia expressed its deep disappointment in Governor Kaine's decision to sign SB817, a bill that authorizes the creation of Choose Life license plates and creates a state-approved funding stream for crisis pregnancy centers.
"We are disappointed that Governor Kaine refused to recognize that when faced with an unintended pregnancy, women need information, not ideology," said Tarina Keene, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia. "In their zeal to prevent women from accessing abortion services, crisis pregnancy centers frequently mislead women about their options and completely disregard the neutrality that is a commonly accepted tenet of counseling. Organizations like these should not benefit from a state-approved funding stream."

Keene continued, "Even with a pro-choice president in the White House, the battle to protect reproductive rights and health rages on at the state level. This reiterates what we already knew–elections matter, and we must remain vigilant and ensure that pro-choice candidates are elected to the Virginia House of Delegates and executive branch this November."

NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia welcomes the help of organizations that provide assistance to women who have decided to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term. The problem with the vast majority of crisis pregnancy centers is that they deliberately conceal their true agenda from women who seek their services and then often provide biased and inaccurate information about the options available to them. Here is a summary of well-documented crisis pregnancy center tactics:

Most "crisis pregnancy centers" are not licensed medical facilities and do not offer comprehensive, accurate information about the range of options available to women facing unintended pregnancies.
They are often set up as non-profit organizations and are staffed primarily by volunteers who have no medical training and routinely offer medically inaccurate information to women.
Some CPCs intentionally choose their name to mislead women into believing that they offer a wide range of services, including family planning and abortion services; A Women's Choice, a CPC in Falls Church, Virginia, is one example.
In an effort to scare women away from considering abortion, some CPCs provide inaccurate information about the "consequences" of abortion - including false claims that abortion causes breast cancer, sterility, and psychological damage.



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/31/kaine-blocks-funding-for-embryonic-stem-cell-research/comment-page-4/
March 31st, 2009
04:23 PM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) - Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, has signed a bill into law banning the use of some state funds for embryonic stem cell research.

The move puts the DNC chairman at odds with President Obama, who signed an executive order earlier this month reversing the Bush administration's ban on federal funding for research on embryonic stem cells.

Kaine approved the Virginia bill on Monday, according to the governor's office, the same day he enacted legislation that would permit "Choose Life" license plates in the commonwealth - an act that angered state and national abortion rights advocates.




Reaction from NARAL and VA Planned Parenthood in 2009, when he signed crisis pregnancy legislation after being lobbied not to do so.

http://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/dnc-chair-infuriates-abortion-backers-020686


The revenue from the specialty plates would go to crisis-pregnancy centers, which many abortion-rights backers believe proslyetize against abortion and encourage women to keep unwanted children.

“It is surprising that Governor Kaine would do this, but it’s all the more surprising that he would do it as chair of the DNC,” said Paulette McElwain, the president of the Virginia League for Planned Parenthood.
McElwain exchanged numerous calls with the governor’s office over the license plates and organized a grass roots effort that logged more than 2,000 calls to the governor’s staff.
“We provided him with abundant information,” she said. “We’re terribly disappointed that he decided to sign it.”
In Washington, NARAL/Pro-Choice America channeled more than 17,000 emails and 200 calls to the DNC urging Kaine to veto the bill.
“It is unfortunate that, even after receiving thousands of messages from Virginians and pro-choice activists across the country, Gov. Kaine has opted to sign a bill that advances a divisive political ideology at the expense of women’s health,” NARAL/Pro-Choice America president Nancy Keenan said in a statement.


LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
44. Are you calling Tim Kaine a liar? Because that's not what he says.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 05:16 AM
Jul 2016

Let's go to the tape:

I’m Tim Kaine, I’m running for governor and I’m not afraid to tell you where I stand. My opponent Jerry Kilgore has just come out with even more negative ads. Once again he’s hiding behind a slick radio announcer to distort my record. I’m conservative on issues of personal responsibility. As a former Christian missionary, faith is central to my life. I oppose gay marriage, I support restrictions on abortion — no public funding and parental consent — and I’ve worked to pass a state law banning partial birth abortion. Jerry Kilgore knows this the real difference is Attorney General Jerry Kilgore promoted a law banning partial birth abortion that he knew was unconstitutional. He played politics with abortion and as a result Virginia still has no ban. As governor, I’ll always put principle over politics and you’ll always know where I stand. That’s who I am and what I believe. I’m Tim Kaine, candidate for governor and this ad was paid for by Kaine for governor.

Audio here: https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeedandrew/ban_fnl_01

FSogol

(45,448 posts)
49. You are taking a moment out of the past where the GOP was placing
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:44 AM
Jul 2016

severe restrictions on abortion rights and winning. Kaine fought that. A ban on late term abortions (with restrictions for health of the mother, incest, and rape) isn't a bad compromise in certain political environments.

NARAL and Planned Parenthood have no problems with Kaine, why all the concern from DU?

spooky3

(34,407 posts)
52. Some of the concern is obviously based on
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jul 2016

Misinformation as documented in this thread. If the corrected info doesn't allay those concerns then I have to think the concern is motivated by something else.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
54. They made a political calculation.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jul 2016


He's not great on the issue, no matter what BS they're selling. His record says otherwise.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
60. Hell no. Go to the primary sources. Look at his actual statements and record.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jul 2016

That's why I know his politics on choice suck. I looked at his record. I read and listened to his words.

I understand why PP and NARAL are hand-waving it, but they are hand-waving it and it's disappointing.

FSogol

(45,448 posts)
61. Those ratings are from long before he ever became the VP nominee.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

Ignore all the facts and get your hate on!

ananda

(28,835 posts)
36. We'll see.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jul 2016

Kaine is problematic.

As long as Clinton stays totally pro-choice and
anti-TPP, we're OK.

But ...

truthisfreedom

(23,140 posts)
45. I am annoyed as fuck by all of this, but Trump is so much worse
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:26 AM
Jul 2016

that honestly, I'm not going to think about it for now.

My focus is on this:

There's no way that the red commie pinko Putin-loving Trump is getting into office. This man is a red threat. He needs to be exposed and he needs to be stopped.

Freddie

(9,257 posts)
51. Mike Pence and the Republican platform
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jul 2016

Want no abortions whatsoever, even if the woman will die.
There's yer choice.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
55. So a woman on Medicaid infected with the zika virus has no option but to bear
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016

a child she can't afford? Men - Democratic or Republican - need to stay out of our medical decisions.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
62. Kaine was an absolutely terrible choice for VP. She should have picked Vilsack.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jul 2016

We also may lose his seat in the 2017 special election, which the GOP will spin as a repudiation.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
63. He's a devout Catholic, what do people expect him to say?
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure Clinton picked him exactly because he is conservative on many issues, she's trying to get the votes of Republicans disaffected by Don The Con.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
64. I heard him talk about this on the news today.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jul 2016
Personally he supports his church's position but he told the Clinton camp he would support the President (Hillary) in repealling Hyde.
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