After Reports to the Contrary, Tim Kaine Says He Still Supports the Hyde Amendment
Source: Jezebel
In an interview Friday morning with CNN, Vice Presidential candidate Tim Kaine said that he still supports the Hyde Amendment. Kaine said that, despite reports, I have not changed my position, on the bill which bans the use of federal money on abortion services.
At the beginning of the Democratic National Convention, spokespeople for both Clinton and Kaine said that he would support a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Clinton committed to repealing Hyde early in her campaign, and the Democratic platform reiterated that position. The amendment, which primarily impacts Medicaid recipients, has long been the target of pro-choice activists who argue that it targets the reproductive health care of poor women.
Read more: http://theslot.jezebel.com/after-reports-to-the-contrary-tim-kaine-says-he-still-1784517097
lark
(23,065 posts)though I do wish he would re-evaluate this point and change his mind as he's wrong, IMO.
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FBaggins
(26,721 posts)If he changed his stripes for political expediency... then you would have reason not to trust him.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)But, Catholic beliefs are in complete opposition to progressive beliefs. When someone says I am personally pro-life but I don't care what other do with their body is lying in one way or the other. That is, either he hates abortion because he is a good Catholic but says he doesn't care if a woman chooses to have abortion to win votes or he pretends to be a good Catholic regarding abortion issues but really is a progressive when it comes to reproductive rights. Regardless, he is either lying that he is a Catholic (given his history this is unlikely) or he is lying that he supports women's choice.
One cannot be a good Catholic and allow abortions.
This is just from my personal history of growing up Catholic and going to a Jesuit Catholic University.
George II
(67,782 posts)....professional actions.
Saying that he's "lying" is uncalled for.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)One cannot be a very religious Catholic and pro-choice. Trust me, one cannot be a religious Catholic and be pro-choice. And, if one is personally against abortions but is personally pro choice is being pro choice. Thus, his pro-choice stance is diametrically opposed to his Catholic beliefs. So, he can only be one or the other.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Thank Gawd you're here to clear things up.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)I just know Catholic doctrine.
George II
(67,782 posts)elleng
(130,740 posts)which was, of course, JFK's point (among others.)
spooky3
(34,407 posts)That gives people a basis for trust (or not). You don't have to rely on his statements or promises (as with Trump, for example).
Kaine's record is very clear.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)as governor and he did so after having said he'd veto it as candidate. He said he'd keep is own personal bigotries out of it, but in the end that's not what happened. Kaine's record suggests he needs to be watched like a hawk and held to a very high standard on some issues.
spooky3
(34,407 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)I see.
spooky3
(34,407 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....agrees with anyone's positions on issues 100% of the time.
spooky3
(34,407 posts)spooky3
(34,407 posts)has any role in constitutional amendments. Amendments go from the assembly to the voters directly (if they get through the assembly).
https://ballotpedia.org/Amending_state_constitutions#Virginia
"Virginia
See also: Article XII of the Virginia Constitution and Laws governing ballot measures in Virginia
The Virginia Constitution can be amended through two different paths:
The Virginia State Legislature can propose amendments through legislatively referred constitutional amendments as established in Section 1 of Article XII.
These can be proposed in either house of the Virginia General Assembly.
If a proposed amendment is approved by a simple majority vote in one session of the state legislature, it is automatically referred to the next session of the state legislature that occurs after the next general election of members of the Virginia House of Delegates.
If, in that second session, the proposed amendment is "agreed to by a majority of all the members elected to each house," it is then placed before the state's voters.
It can go on a special or general election ballot.
If approved by a simple majority vote, it becomes part of the state's constitution.
Amendments to or revisions of the state's constitution can be proposed by a constitutional convention as established in Section 2 of Article XII.
A convention can happen if the state's legislature "by a vote of two-thirds of the members elected to each house" calls a convention.
Virginia does not feature the power of initiative for either initiated constitutional amendments or initiated state statutes."
So please post your evidence. Thanks.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)a public referendum and never signed by the Governor. The courts threw it out. Stop spreading misinformation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall-Newman_Amendment
Constitutional amendment (voter referendum); marriage. Provides for a referendum at the November 2006 election on approval of a proposed constitutional amendment to define marriage. The proposed amendment provides that "only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions." The proposed amendment also prohibits the Commonwealth and its political subdivisions from creating or recognizing "a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance, or effects of marriage." Further, the proposed amendment prohibits the Commonwealth or its political subdivisions from creating or recognizing "another union, partnership, or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities, or effects of marriage." This bill is identical to HB 101.
<SNIP>
03/15/06 House: Signed by Speaker
03/16/06 Senate: Signed by President
04/10/06 House: Bill became law without Governor's signature, Chapter 828 (effective 7/1/06)
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?061+sum+SB526
Marthe48
(16,904 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)"hardcore" Catholic and all of them support a woman's right to choose. One of those Jesuit educated friends is my Dad.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)Ask any priest or bishop.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)another is a Monsignor. Another friend's an RC nun.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)their Church lives, you know that is not the case. You are suggesting RCC has Pro Choice clergy that say that out loud. That's bullshit.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)views? Please excuse me while I tell you that you don't know what you're talking about
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)things to friends they do not live truthfully in public. That's what any RCC cleric who is pro choice does or they get sacked. I don't have to know your friends to know that. Your want to suggest that you know ranking RCC clergy that teach pro-choice openly. It's not true, they are RCC clergy.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)spoken out publicly (Monsignor Scully from the pulpit in his Church), dealt with the repercussions and yet, continue to be pro-choice. They caught more hell for being pro-marriage equality than they did for being pro-choice (which shocked them and those of us that are friends with them). Please continue to believe whatever you wish; these three friends are, and will continue to be, testimony to the fact your assertions are wrong, wrong, wrong.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Hillary. SHE wants that loathsome amendment GONE.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)He will have to support Hillary's position as her vice president so he can blow as much smoke as he wants about the subject.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)I reacted viscerally to it, sorry about that
mdbl
(4,973 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)Prolife but votes Pro Choice.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)unless you're saying that he's only opposed to federal funds paying for his abortion?
sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)a vote to eliminate it.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Not so much as governor. He signed laws for parental consent, the usual pro lifer symbolic "partial birth" abortion ban to prevent women from having abortions after having spent six months pregnant, and "informed" consent, which is one of the most offensive and demeaning to women policies.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I wouldn't let my wife or daughter have one, since that is the closest it is to him ever having a "personal" investment in a pregnancy. Surely he is capable of conveying his thoughts on what women do with their bodies without sounding like he thinks he has the right to judge the choices of women everywhere.
mpcamb
(2,868 posts)(R-IL) who lead the charge in the House to impeach Clinton.
Hyde himself had a long-standing affair that was documented in Salon.com . In 1998 they "published "This Hypocrite Broke Up My Family" which stated that from 1965 to 1969, Hyde conducted an extramarital sexual affair with Cherie Snodgrass."
Hyde eventually admitted the charge but attributed the relationship to "youthful indiscretions".
Hyde was married and 41 years old when the affair occurred.
The amendment, as mentioned above, largely impacts poorer people's reproductive choices.
Hyde was from a wealthy Republican district.
Kurska
(5,739 posts)Since when was "pro-choice" an optional thing for a member for a presidential ticket? You realize he is going to be a heart beat away from becoming the most powerful person in America? Yet you're going to let him skate on this?
God damn...
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)I'm not even sure what to make of this place anymore.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)We should ask him.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)He has always supported a woman's right to choose. His views are no different than Joe Bidens.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)But as Clinton's VP vetting process this year ramped up, Kaine appeared to be more outspoken in his support of abortion rights, presumably to further align himself with the direction of the party. He issued an approving statement on the Supreme Court's June decision to invalidate two Texas abortion restrictions. "I applaud the Supreme Court for seeing the Texas law for what it isan attempt to effectively ban abortion and undermine a womans right to make her own health care choices," he wrote. And later in June, the Huffington Post pointed out that Kaine had suddenly signed on as a co-sponsor to the Women's Health Protection Acta bill that would ban states from passing medically unneccesary restrictions on abortion that has been slowly moving through Congress for three years with dozens of sponsors.
Earlier this week, Kaine was reported to have changed his position on the Hyde Amendment: Bloomberg News reported that spokespeople for both Clinton's campaign and Kaine had told the outlet that Kaine had said privately that he would support the Hyde repeal. His interview on CNN Friday rolled back those statements, creating a rift between Kaine and the party that pro-choice advocates thought had been resolved. "In this campaign, Hillary Clinton has broken new ground with her frank talk about the damaging effect of denying poor women basic reproductive healthcare," wrote NARAL President Ilyse Hogue in a statement released Friday afternoon. "This is why Senator Kaine's statement earlier today that he opposes repealing the discriminatory Hyde amendment was deeply disappointing."
Apparently, his voting record in the Senate has been pro-choice, but his actions as Governor were not.
To be honest, I did not know that much about him before, so am now reading up more on his positions and actions. I agree with NARAL in finding his newest statement disappointing.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)into account the actions the gop controlled house and senate were taking in VA at that time. Kaine has always been on the side of a woman's right to choose.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)but did express hope in working with him since he was willing to listen, as opposed to the virulent anti-choice Republican candidate.
So no, he has not "always been on the side of a woman's right to choose."
Yes, he was better than complete anti-choice candidates. That's why his record was "mixed" rather than solidly one way or another.
Yes, his record has improved once he left the Governor's office and campaigned for and became a Senator.
The mixed record is why his seeming change in stance on Hyde is troubling.
http://www.naralva.org/media/press/20050817.shtml
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEAugust 17, 2005
Governor
http://www.naralva.org/media/press/20090330.shtml
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASEMarch 30, 2009
Money generated by "Choose Life" license plates will fund anti-choice "fake clinics"
"We are disappointed that Governor Kaine refused to recognize that when faced with an unintended pregnancy, women need information, not ideology," said Tarina Keene, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia. "In their zeal to prevent women from accessing abortion services, crisis pregnancy centers frequently mislead women about their options and completely disregard the neutrality that is a commonly accepted tenet of counseling. Organizations like these should not benefit from a state-approved funding stream."
Keene continued, "Even with a pro-choice president in the White House, the battle to protect reproductive rights and health rages on at the state level. This reiterates what we already knewelections matter, and we must remain vigilant and ensure that pro-choice candidates are elected to the Virginia House of Delegates and executive branch this November."
NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia welcomes the help of organizations that provide assistance to women who have decided to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term. The problem with the vast majority of crisis pregnancy centers is that they deliberately conceal their true agenda from women who seek their services and then often provide biased and inaccurate information about the options available to them. Here is a summary of well-documented crisis pregnancy center tactics:
Most "crisis pregnancy centers" are not licensed medical facilities and do not offer comprehensive, accurate information about the range of options available to women facing unintended pregnancies.
They are often set up as non-profit organizations and are staffed primarily by volunteers who have no medical training and routinely offer medically inaccurate information to women.
Some CPCs intentionally choose their name to mislead women into believing that they offer a wide range of services, including family planning and abortion services; A Women's Choice, a CPC in Falls Church, Virginia, is one example.
In an effort to scare women away from considering abortion, some CPCs provide inaccurate information about the "consequences" of abortion - including false claims that abortion causes breast cancer, sterility, and psychological damage.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/31/kaine-blocks-funding-for-embryonic-stem-cell-research/comment-page-4/
March 31st, 2009
04:23 PM ET
The move puts the DNC chairman at odds with President Obama, who signed an executive order earlier this month reversing the Bush administration's ban on federal funding for research on embryonic stem cells.
Kaine approved the Virginia bill on Monday, according to the governor's office, the same day he enacted legislation that would permit "Choose Life" license plates in the commonwealth - an act that angered state and national abortion rights advocates.
Reaction from NARAL and VA Planned Parenthood in 2009, when he signed crisis pregnancy legislation after being lobbied not to do so.
http://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/dnc-chair-infuriates-abortion-backers-020686
It is surprising that Governor Kaine would do this, but its all the more surprising that he would do it as chair of the DNC, said Paulette McElwain, the president of the Virginia League for Planned Parenthood.
McElwain exchanged numerous calls with the governors office over the license plates and organized a grass roots effort that logged more than 2,000 calls to the governors staff.
We provided him with abundant information, she said. Were terribly disappointed that he decided to sign it.
In Washington, NARAL/Pro-Choice America channeled more than 17,000 emails and 200 calls to the DNC urging Kaine to veto the bill.
It is unfortunate that, even after receiving thousands of messages from Virginians and pro-choice activists across the country, Gov. Kaine has opted to sign a bill that advances a divisive political ideology at the expense of womens health, NARAL/Pro-Choice America president Nancy Keenan said in a statement.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Let's go to the tape:
Im Tim Kaine, Im running for governor and Im not afraid to tell you where I stand. My opponent Jerry Kilgore has just come out with even more negative ads. Once again hes hiding behind a slick radio announcer to distort my record. Im conservative on issues of personal responsibility. As a former Christian missionary, faith is central to my life. I oppose gay marriage, I support restrictions on abortion no public funding and parental consent and Ive worked to pass a state law banning partial birth abortion. Jerry Kilgore knows this the real difference is Attorney General Jerry Kilgore promoted a law banning partial birth abortion that he knew was unconstitutional. He played politics with abortion and as a result Virginia still has no ban. As governor, Ill always put principle over politics and youll always know where I stand. Thats who I am and what I believe. Im Tim Kaine, candidate for governor and this ad was paid for by Kaine for governor.
Audio here: https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeedandrew/ban_fnl_01
FSogol
(45,448 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)FSogol
(45,448 posts)severe restrictions on abortion rights and winning. Kaine fought that. A ban on late term abortions (with restrictions for health of the mother, incest, and rape) isn't a bad compromise in certain political environments.
NARAL and Planned Parenthood have no problems with Kaine, why all the concern from DU?
spooky3
(34,407 posts)Misinformation as documented in this thread. If the corrected info doesn't allay those concerns then I have to think the concern is motivated by something else.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)He's not great on the issue, no matter what BS they're selling. His record says otherwise.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)That's why I know his politics on choice suck. I looked at his record. I read and listened to his words.
I understand why PP and NARAL are hand-waving it, but they are hand-waving it and it's disappointing.
FSogol
(45,448 posts)Ignore all the facts and get your hate on!
Skinner
(63,645 posts)I hope.
ananda
(28,835 posts)Kaine is problematic.
As long as Clinton stays totally pro-choice and
anti-TPP, we're OK.
But ...
truthisfreedom
(23,140 posts)that honestly, I'm not going to think about it for now.
My focus is on this:
There's no way that the red commie pinko Putin-loving Trump is getting into office. This man is a red threat. He needs to be exposed and he needs to be stopped.
Freddie
(9,257 posts)Want no abortions whatsoever, even if the woman will die.
There's yer choice.
Vinca
(50,237 posts)a child she can't afford? Men - Democratic or Republican - need to stay out of our medical decisions.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)We also may lose his seat in the 2017 special election, which the GOP will spin as a repudiation.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)I'm sure Clinton picked him exactly because he is conservative on many issues, she's trying to get the votes of Republicans disaffected by Don The Con.