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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:10 AM Jul 2016

Trump: 'I have zero investments in Russia'

Source: The Hill

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump on Tuesday disputed claims that he has financial ties to Russia.

"In order to try and deflect the horror and stupidity of the Wikileakes disaster, the Dems said maybe it is Russia dealing with Trump. Crazy!" he tweeted.

"For the record, I have ZERO investments in Russia."

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/289346-trump-i-have-zero-investments-in-russia



Effin' liar, according to his own son.

Maybe Trump means he hasn't invested in Russia--Russia has invested in him.

Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
...
The coming together of Trump’s business and political agendas was evident during his 2013 Moscow trip, in which he was seeking deals at the same time he was starting to ponder a presidential run.
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Trump has long aspired to build a Trump Tower in Russia — a market that first gained his attention in the 1980s as the Cold War was ending and the Soviet Union began to open more to outsiders. “Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment,” Trump said in a 2007 deposition. “We will be in Moscow at some point,” he promised.
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In 1996, Trump tried to partner with U.S. tobacco executives to build a luxury condominium complex in Moscow. Ted Liebman, an architect who worked with Trump, recalled drawing sketches of the proposed Trump International for the businessman to use in meetings with Moscow officials.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html
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Trump: 'I have zero investments in Russia' (Original Post) uhnope Jul 2016 OP
Technically true. He never uses his own money if he can help it. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #1
"I have ZERO investments in Russia." BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #2
The Saudis own a good chunk of his pasty white ass too TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #25
I expect he's in hock BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #54
0 investments maybe, but big loans ? Release the HIDDEN tax returns. Prove it. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #3
+1000 Lady_Chat Jul 2016 #4
I'm guessing NewJeffCT Jul 2016 #16
Not from a lack of trying: 5 attempts to build a Trump tower in Moscow. Partnership with Russians 2 Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #5
And this is why Miss Universe was held in Russia back in 2013 nt maryellen99 Jul 2016 #14
Really? Then show us your tax returns Cheeto-faced Fuckmonkey jpak Jul 2016 #6
But who FUNDS your investments ??? THAT's the question to ask !!! OnDoutside Jul 2016 #7
Predictably bucolic_frolic Jul 2016 #8
That is almost an admission to which way the investments flow. gordianot Jul 2016 #9
Yes, debt rather than investment. Koinos Jul 2016 #26
Nobody EVER suggested that Trump had investments in Russia, but he sure fucked up this time. truthisfreedom Jul 2016 #10
He used the wrong number, Loki Jul 2016 #11
Of course he doesn't, Russia is where he goes to get cash. (nt) apnu Jul 2016 #12
Hay Donald Rump... MarianJack Jul 2016 #13
Even if that were true, it would be a wise tactic on Trump's part DFW Jul 2016 #15
Given Trump's usual habits, it's not long greymattermom Jul 2016 #17
Maybe that's why he was 2naSalit Jul 2016 #27
Russia invests in Trump, why would he invest in Russia? Democat Jul 2016 #18
He's a liar. Whatever he says, some warped version of that is actually true AllyCat Jul 2016 #19
He is trying to be clever Botany Jul 2016 #20
Present tense. As of 9AM ET this morning? eom Festivito Jul 2016 #21
Hey if Trump gets elected Prez workinclasszero Jul 2016 #22
This is one big reason why presidential candidates are expected to release their tax returns. Koinos Jul 2016 #28
No doubt, this is serious business workinclasszero Jul 2016 #30
Ain't that the truth? Koinos Jul 2016 #31
I'm sure the MSM will get to the bottom of this quickly workinclasszero Jul 2016 #32
I'm counting more on the NY Times and the Washington Post. Koinos Jul 2016 #33
I hope you are right workinclasszero Jul 2016 #35
Me too, but I won't bet on myself. Koinos Jul 2016 #37
Koch bros like Pence? workinclasszero Jul 2016 #42
I suspect that many Republicans are feeling "fear and trembling," at this point. Koinos Jul 2016 #44
I know many of the old school republicans already hate Trump workinclasszero Jul 2016 #45
Every speaker has been A+++. Koinos Jul 2016 #47
I totally agree! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #48
Yes we do. Koinos Jul 2016 #49
Don't get me started on Michelle lol workinclasszero Jul 2016 #50
Not only does Trump have to release taxes Kathy M Jul 2016 #23
Not concerned about drumpfs investments and he knows that's not the issue. lark Jul 2016 #24
And it's totally 2naSalit Jul 2016 #29
But do Russians have investments in Trump? Ilsa Jul 2016 #34
Bingo workinclasszero Jul 2016 #36
Josh Marshall seems to think he knows. Koinos Jul 2016 #38
Yeah, but we need proof. Ilsa Jul 2016 #39
Incidentally, here is the full transcript of Trump's news conference. Koinos Jul 2016 #41
Wow! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #46
I (myself) tend to think his use of the word "I" is the pertinent part of his comment. hamsterjill Jul 2016 #40
just wanted to add from article Kathy M Jul 2016 #43
Then he should release his tax returns. Who is funding his businesses? redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #51
Maybe not Donnie, but it sure appears that they have invested heavily in you. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #52
How about outstanding LOANS, Don the Con? Warpy Jul 2016 #53

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
1. Technically true. He never uses his own money if he can help it.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:14 AM
Jul 2016

He just uses other people's money and rakes off his cut-win or lose on the deal.

BumRushDaShow

(134,092 posts)
2. "I have ZERO investments in Russia."
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:16 AM
Jul 2016
"But they probably own half my empire" (too long to have added this part to the tweet )

BumRushDaShow

(134,092 posts)
54. I expect he's in hock
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

with a multitude of folks. I'm beginning to think he does the clown act to dodge (overt) criminal investigations that may lead to jail time (he probably can't be touched during this election season else he let loose his pack of loon followers).

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,805 posts)
3. 0 investments maybe, but big loans ? Release the HIDDEN tax returns. Prove it.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:19 AM
Jul 2016

Trump is not credit-worthy enough to get loans from US banks.

At the same time his debt load has ballooned from mid $200 Meg to $690 million.

There is something or many things really damning hidden in those returns.

Could be one of or all of:

* Loans from Russian oligarchs

* Net worth a lot less than he wants us to believe

* Charity donation scams

* Offshore accounts / offshore manufacturing

* Paid ridiculously low taxes

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,805 posts)
5. Not from a lack of trying: 5 attempts to build a Trump tower in Moscow. Partnership with Russians 2
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:34 AM
Jul 2016

And Trump has investments with lots of Russians.

Trump’s partners on a Panama project traveled to Moscow in 2006 to sell condos to Russian investors, according to litigation filed in Florida. Trump also sold a mansion in Palm Beach in 2008 for $95 million to Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev, according to property records. Trump had purchased the mansion at a bankruptcy auction less than four years earlier for $41.4 million, records show.


“Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment,” Trump said in a 2007 deposition. “We will be in Moscow at some point,” he promised.


In his 2008 speech, Donald Jr. announced that he had traveled to Russia six times in the previous 18 months.


Still, the weekend {2013} was fruitful for Trump. He received a portion of the $14 million paid by Agalarov and other investors to bring the pageant to Moscow. Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow — at least Trump’s fifth attempt at such a venture.


An adviser who helped run Trump’s efforts in the New York primary, Michael Caputo, lived in Russia in the 1990s. Caputo also had a contract for several months in 2000 with the Russian conglomerate Gazprom Media to improve Putin’s image in the United States.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

This story has been building for some time. The above link is June 17. This one is from December 2015:

Follow Trump's Money to Moscow http://www.aim.org/aim-column/follow-trumps-money-to-moscow/

The next one is from March:

Trump's Long Romance with Russia https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-03-15/trump-s-long-romance-with-russia

... and April:

http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trumps-russia-connections-foreign-policy-presidential-campaign/

bucolic_frolic

(44,675 posts)
8. Predictably
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:26 AM
Jul 2016

Trump's taken the bait

Now the topic is on the table for discussion

It won't stop until every last detail is public information

If he won't release his tax returns

Then rumors of Putin and Russian backers will abound

Of course, he wouldn't want to release his tax returns because

Then rumors of Putin and Russian backers might be confirmed

truthisfreedom

(23,245 posts)
10. Nobody EVER suggested that Trump had investments in Russia, but he sure fucked up this time.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jul 2016

But good. He opened the conversation.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
13. Hay Donald Rump...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jul 2016

...if you have no investments in Russia, is is because they were as successful as "Trump Steaks" & "Trump Vodka"...hmmm?

PEACE!

DFW

(55,310 posts)
15. Even if that were true, it would be a wise tactic on Trump's part
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jul 2016

He made his fortune (the part he didn't inherit) by making deals with people and stiffing them for their promised money after the fact. Do that with Putin, and you'll find out (too late) that one of your cocktails contained a radioactive isotope whose effects are fatal after a particularly slow and painful deterioration of your internal organs.

Even Trump is probably aware of that, and if he wasn't prior to the negotiations, I'm sure it was made clear to him during the negotiations.

greymattermom

(5,779 posts)
17. Given Trump's usual habits, it's not long
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jul 2016

before he stiffs some Russian contractors connected with Putin. Or maybe he already has and that's why he's running for President. Someone should start that rumor, see what he tweets in the middle of the night from the dated apartment in Trump towers.

2naSalit

(89,054 posts)
27. Maybe that's why he was
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jul 2016

having a hard time breathing during today's presser. Either he's scared shitless that will happen to him or it already has.

Botany

(71,152 posts)
20. He is trying to be clever
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jul 2016

0 investments in Russia does not = 0 investments of Russian mob/Putin/Russian oil gas people
in Trump.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. Hey if Trump gets elected Prez
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Putin will be his puppet-master in exchange for canceling the debt he owes them!

What a deal...for Trump and Putin.

For the country....not so much. Trump should be forced to reveal his finances NOW like every other presidential candidate has done for years.

He has financial dealings with Russia that need to be examined pronto!

Koinos

(2,793 posts)
28. This is one big reason why presidential candidates are expected to release their tax returns.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

Security clearance should include credit and criminal background checks.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
30. No doubt, this is serious business
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

Jeez I'd have to give up more info to get a credit card than Trump who's running for President does!

Koinos

(2,793 posts)
37. Me too, but I won't bet on myself.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

It flabbergasts me that the media want Trump. What in heaven's (or some other place's) name is wrong with them?

The Koch brothers want Pence. Maybe he will get the job if Trump has to withdraw under pressure from Homeland Security.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
42. Koch bros like Pence?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

That's interesting.

I was thinking if Trump dropped out it would be an opening for Cruz but maybe Pence would claim the top job if the Koch bros are backing him.

I just wonder how many republicans are looking at Trump's Russian connection with suspicion too.

Koinos

(2,793 posts)
44. I suspect that many Republicans are feeling "fear and trembling," at this point.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

Their "law and order" candidate has just committed treason. Many Republicans hated him before. The knives will be coming out soon. Trump may have just given them a constitutional basis for replacing him.

Damn, we're out of popcorn.

I'll put this all on hold, because I am really excited about the Democratic convention. We have more major league power hitters coming to bat today.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
45. I know many of the old school republicans already hate Trump
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jul 2016

If any of them are sincere about national security they should be scared shitless over their traitor candidate!

Our convention has really been great so far huh?

Koinos

(2,793 posts)
47. Every speaker has been A+++.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jul 2016

I am so proud to be a Democrat. I look at the crowd, and I see all the diversity. I love each and every one of those faces.

The organizers have done a perfect job. The speakers are major league. All is good. I feel that our Democratic leaders are "with us."

Anyone who is watching objectively has to be moved. There is magic everywhere.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
50. Don't get me started on Michelle lol
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jul 2016

I purely love that woman! Such a fantastic person in every way! The Prez is lucky to have her.

I will miss her so much when they leave the white house for the last time.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
23. Not only does Trump have to release taxes
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jul 2016

I think family should .... Also any business under their Organization . Trump has his name all over who rely owns majority stock ?

lark

(23,558 posts)
24. Not concerned about drumpfs investments and he knows that's not the issue.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jul 2016

Lie and obfuscate is all that mfer can do. The issue is how much he owes Russia and what he's willing to do to get this paid off. So far it sounds like he is trying to sell out the world for his own personal gain.

2naSalit

(89,054 posts)
29. And it's totally
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jul 2016

what he would do to save his ass, fuck everybody else... and I mean everybody.

Ilsa

(61,861 posts)
34. But do Russians have investments in Trump?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jul 2016

That's the real question. Does Trump owe russians large sums of money?

Koinos

(2,793 posts)
41. Incidentally, here is the full transcript of Trump's news conference.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jul 2016

With full commentary, as to its veracity, by the Washington Post (click on the highlighted text for commentary):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/27/donald-trumps-falsehood-laden-press-conference-annotated/

hamsterjill

(15,396 posts)
40. I (myself) tend to think his use of the word "I" is the pertinent part of his comment.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

Trump always differentiates himself from his corporations. "I" have never filed bankruptcy, etc.

Whatever he's doing, he's merely parsing words. Lying asswipe.

Kathy M

(1,242 posts)
43. just wanted to add from article
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jul 2016

"Still, the weekend was fruitful for Trump. He received a portion of the $14 million paid by Agalarov and other investors to bring the pageant to Moscow. Agalarov said he and Trump signed an agreement to build a Trump Tower in the heart of Moscow — at least Trump’s fifth attempt at such a venture. And Trump seemed energized by his interactions with Russia’s financial elite at the pageant and a glitzy after-party in a Moscow nightclub.

“Almost all of the oligarchs were in the room,” Trump bragged to Real Estate Weekly upon returning home."

"Trump’s relationship with Putin and his warm views toward Russia, which began in the 1980s when the country was still part of the Soviet Union, have emerged as one of the more curious aspects of his presidential campaign. "

Think above contradicts a few things even just from today questions and answers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

May answer why he has harped on media / news articles ...............

Warpy

(112,208 posts)
53. How about outstanding LOANS, Don the Con?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jul 2016

And how about shady deals to buy your shit after you get it built?

I do (admittedly miniscule) business with people in Russia. That's not the point. The point is that when you owe them a shit ton of money, they OWN YOU.

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