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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:12 PM

 

At least 33 shot in Chicago so far over Fourth of July weekend

Source: Chicago Tribune

At least 33 people have been shot in Chicago so far this Fourth of July weekend, most of them in traditionally violent neighborhoods on the South and West sides despite stepped-up police patrols in those areas.

Between Sunday afternoon and early Monday, 13 people were shot over 17 hours in the city. They included a 15-year-old boy shot in the foot, a 16-year-old hit in the elbow, a 17-year-old wounded in the thigh, and a woman hit in the chest by a bullet fired through the window of a home.

Many of those shootings occurred in Little Village, Roseland, Gresham, Lawndale, East Garfield Park and Englewood neighborhoods with troubling rates of gun violence, according to data collected by the Tribune.

Last week, Chicago's top cop announced that thousands more law enforcement officers would hit the streets over the weekend, saying he was "sick and tired" of the violence plaguing the city. He made the announcement Friday after three people were killed and 21 more were wounded over 24 hours.

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-july-4th-shootings-violence-20160703-story.html

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Reply At least 33 shot in Chicago so far over Fourth of July weekend (Original post)
Just reading posts Jul 2016 OP
BlueNoMatterWho Jul 2016 #1
forest444 Jul 2016 #5
JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #6
forest444 Jul 2016 #7
Indydem Jul 2016 #18
forest444 Jul 2016 #19
Indydem Jul 2016 #24
Kang Colby Jul 2016 #27
forest444 Jul 2016 #29
Kang Colby Jul 2016 #30
scscholar Jul 2016 #8
AKing Jul 2016 #2
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #3
AKing Jul 2016 #4
Locrian Jul 2016 #9
Skittles Jul 2016 #10
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #11
Skittles Jul 2016 #12
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #13
Skittles Jul 2016 #14
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #15
LanternWaste Jul 2016 #23
ileus Jul 2016 #26
christx30 Jul 2016 #16
hack89 Jul 2016 #20
Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #17
hack89 Jul 2016 #21
Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #31
hack89 Jul 2016 #32
ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #22
christx30 Jul 2016 #25
Kang Colby Jul 2016 #28

Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:16 PM

1. So sad. Why? What is the answer?

 

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Response to BlueNoMatterWho (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:25 PM

5. Ingrained crime, poverty - and quick access to almost any kind of weapon from Indiana.

A bad combination if there ever was one.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:36 PM

6. Is Indiana a strawbuying haven?

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Response to JonathanRackham (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:42 PM

7. Apparently so.

Ruby-red Indiana does not require universal background checks or the reporting of lost or stolen firearms, which of course gives straw buyers a loophole they can drive a Mack truck through - full of machine guns, presumably.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:38 AM

18. Amazing.

 

Complete bullshit.

Indiana requires background checks on all sales of firearms from dealers.

Indiana DOES require that you report lost or stolen firearms.

YOU CAN'T BUY A MACHINE GUN.

If you don't have the slightest knowledge of what you are talking about, don't post.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:06 AM

19. Perhaps you should read up a little more on your own state.

No limit to the number of guns purchased at any time.

No ban on junk guns or assault weapons.

No ban on carrying concealed weapons.

No registration or licensing needed to purchase a gun.

In Indiana, there is no minimum age to own a rifle or shotgun.

- Indiana does not require universal background checks.

- Indiana does not require the reporting of lost or stolen firearms.

http://hcgv.org/?page_id=9

So while Indiana might not be our most scenic state, it must sound like absolute heaven to a straw buyer (especially criminals from Chicago).

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Response to forest444 (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:35 PM

24. Quit changing the issues.

 

Your original comment was full of shit, and you know it. The only issue you MIGHT have a leg to stand on is "Universal Background Checks."

Until the ATF sets up a system that isn't a burden on the buyer or the seller, the background checks performed at every brick and mortar seller and every dealer wherever selling, is the law of the land. Illinois requires background checks at shows BUT NOT UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS. Blaming Indiana for the gun violence that takes place in Illinois is bogus, and you know it.

Indiana DOES REQUIRE you to report a firearm that is stolen in order to submit any kind of insurance claim for theft or replacement.

The bottom line is that anyone purchasing a firearm for the purpose of reselling is as a straw purchaser IS BREAKING THE LAW. Why the Obama administration isn't seeking to prosecute these criminals is beyond me.

But to blame Indiana and the laws that it's citizens live under is complete and total horseshit. Blame the gangbangers and criminals who are illegally obtaining a gun and doing the crime.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:11 PM

27. Then why doesn't Indiana have astronomical

levels of violent crime? You'd think the state as a whole would be overrun with violence if its gun policies were responsible for a city's violence in another state.

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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:19 PM

29. Actually, the Indianapolis metro area has a higher violent crime rate than the Chicago metro area.

646 per 100,000 for metro Indianapolis; compared to 380 per 100,000 for metro Chicago. if you compare the city proper in each case (excluding the relatively safe suburbs), the difference is just as striking: 886 per 100k for Chicago, compared to 1259 for Indianapolis.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-6

On a statewide basis, on the other hand, the rates are about the same: 365 (IN); 370 (IL).

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-5

How much of that may or may not correlate to the gun laws in each state, it's hard to say; but no one can seriously argue that Chicago criminals aren't using Indiana for many of their straw purchases, or that our third-world style gun laws are helping matters.

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Response to forest444 (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:30 PM

30. That generally aligns with what I wrote.

Despite the fact that Indiana has less restrictive gun laws, Indiana has a lower overall violent crime rate than Illinois. Based on the "it's Indiana's fault" theory, Indiana should have an overwhelming rate of violent crime if its gun policies were at fault for violence within a city within another state - Chicago. Somehow Indiana only manages to export violence.

What does this tell you? http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-dangerous-states-in-the-u-s.html

It tells me gun laws don't make much if any difference.

You have states with minimal gun laws at the very top and very bottom of the list. States with some of the most restrictive gun laws, Maryland for example, are some of the most dangerous. Virginia with more reasonable gun laws is one of the safest, despite being neighbors with Maryland. Maine and Vermont don't even bother to require carry permits, yet they are the two safest states in the country.

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Response to BlueNoMatterWho (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:58 PM

8. Fewer guns

 

If they had a larger budget, they could actually do something about all of the guns.

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Response to AKing (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:19 PM

3. The holiday weekend isn't over, though.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:22 PM

4. Early Friday the police arrested about 80 of the most violence prone gang members....

in a preemptive strike. If they were on the street the numbers would probably be much higher.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:35 PM

9. more details of chicago issues here

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chicago-shootings-violence-2016-met-20160630-story.html

While it doesn't rank as the nation's murder capital on a per-capita basis, Chicago is the runaway leader in the sheer volume of killings and shootings. New York and Los Angeles don't even come close. Through June 19, Chicago had more homicides than those two larger cities combined, records show. The two combined had fewer than 1,000 shooting victims during that same period, while Chicago by Tuesday topped 1,900 about 10 a day.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:22 PM

10. gun humper paradise

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Response to Skittles (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:57 PM

11. Some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country are "paradise" to "gun humpers" as you so

 

charmingly call them? They must really hate places like Wyoming, then.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:17 PM

12. people who cling to their guns are GUN HUMPERS

THEY'RE COWARDS: YEE HAWDISTS, GANG BANGERS, TERRORISTS, ETC. *COWARDS*

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:52 PM

13. Feel better for having said that? Got it out of your system?

 

If not, please feel free to vent some more.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:12 PM

14. LOLOL

SO fucking done here

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Response to Skittles (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:29 PM

15. See? If you can laugh about it you must feel better!

 

My work here is done!

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:23 PM

23. I'd pretend I did something constructive as well...

I'd pretend I did something constructive as well... as reality would illustrate our actions as much more petulant than our validation allows.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:08 PM

26. It's them mean ole guns!

always going around shooting people!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:40 PM

16. Probably not the gun humpers

you're thinking about. It's probably gang members and drug dealers. Not the 2nd amendment fetishists you'd like them to be. But, criminals, to whom gun ownership is less a right to be exercised, but tools of their chosen profession.
And nothing except force is going to stop them.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:10 AM

20. We are not talking nuance thought or discussion here.

all gun owners - legal or illegal, violent or non-violent, are "gun humpers".

Don't waste your time engaging.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:51 AM

17. A common sense, kitchen table, right wing solution straight from the thinkers of the NRA

The city should simply give out free guns and ammo to all the residents of these high crime neighborhoods. In fact, they need to go door to door handing them out to every person. They could have free gun and ammo kiosks on every corner. No records kept, no questions asked.

You see, according to right wing, NRA, gun nut ideology, more guns equals LESS gun violence. Therefore, we should let the folks in these high crime neighborhoods arm themselves and protect themselves according to their Second Amendment rights.

This simple plan will fix everything!

Can I get a "Hell, Yeah" from all the Gun Rights Absolutists on this plan?

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:11 AM

21. Fortunately most gun owners do not subscribe to that "solution". nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:01 AM

31. Why not? More guns in the hands of citizens equals less crime. Right?

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #31)

Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:17 AM

32. Why would anyone think that?

All history tells us is that more guns did not produce more gun violence . But crime is a complex issue and there are probably multiple reason why gun violence has been steadily falling for 20 years.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:12 AM

22. only two dead, far less than anticipated.

I think putting into custody some of the leaders of several gangs had something to do with it. Although one wonders about the constitutionality of that move.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:54 PM

25. Gang members have committed crimes,

no doubt about it. The police probably know who did what, and are holding them on those charges. But a release make take several days, to a few weeks at least. They got everyone (well, nearly everyone) past the holiday, and now it's just a normal day, with it's normal murders.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:13 PM

28. Gun control works.

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