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Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:02 AM

 

Black Lives Matter Toronto stalls Pride parade

Source: CBC

Members of the Black Lives Matter Toronto group briefly halted the Pride parade today, holding up the marching for about 30 minutes.

The parade didn't re-start until after Pride Toronto executive director Mathieu Chantelois signed a document agreeing to the group's demands.

The organization was given the status of Honoured Group for the parade, which is the grand finale of Pride Month. It did not give Pride Toronto advance notice of their planned sit-in.

Alexandra Williams, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter Toronto, told CBC's Natasha Fatah that they held the sit-in because they wanted to hold Pride Toronto accountable for what she called "anti-blackness."


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pride-parade-toronto-1.3662823

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Reply Black Lives Matter Toronto stalls Pride parade (Original post)
oberliner Jul 2016 OP
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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:16 AM

1. Disgusting nt

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:25 AM

2. The B.L.M. cause has the best of purpose but fuck the Toronto leadership and the horse....

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:04 AM

4. There's plenty of homophobia and racism to go around, as exemplified by the guy in your sig line.

By the way, what does that image of Hillary's logo mean?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:14 AM

5. what a bunch of assholes. They should rename their group nobody else matters.

 

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:28 PM

64. Agreed.

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:19 AM

6. Absolutely disgusting. Cant believe Chantelois caved.

 

Should have just kept on marching.
"anti blackness"? What a stupid statement. I guess Pride Toronto has NO black members?
Fucking idiots.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:06 AM

13. One demand agreed to was that there could no longer be a float from the police department

 

Surprised there was no push back on that one.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:46 PM

56. I'm sure the LGBT officers are thrilled with that... NT

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Response to oberliner (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:44 PM

82. That's terrible. I'm disappointed that the organizers agreed to that.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:37 AM

29. They should just ignore whatever he agreed to

I see no problem ignoring promises made under duress.

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Response to ripcord (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:00 AM

35. good point. Its not like it was a contract or anything. Just a bunch of bullshit.

 

And what a stupid stunt to pull

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:21 AM

7. This is not the way to make allies and friends.

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Response to bigworld (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:33 AM

90. Once you realize they don't want to make allies or friends...

 

It all becomes much clearer.

Much more satisfying to play the victim of everyone and everything.

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Response to bigworld (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:54 AM

94. you are entering my safe space, um, on this street- To pass you must sign this document in blood

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:26 AM

8. Watch the link

 

the woman who is supposedly the spokesperson for BLM Toronto is...verbally disorganized. To say the least.

So I suppose all the other leftist, equal rights and non-violence groups in Toronto will be very reluctant to invite BLM to any event for the next couple of years on the off chance they decide to shut down your event in order to advertise their issues.

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Response to sangfroid (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:39 AM

18. "Verbally disorganized" ... like the B.L.M. sweathearts who disrupted Bernie's Seattle presentation?

 

There was a class act.

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:00 AM

36. Got that right.

 

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Response to Hoppy (Reply #18)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:56 AM

40. Absolutely right.

 

nt

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:26 AM

9. "Stop portraying us as thugs!"

... goes on to act like thug

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Response to bigworld (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:37 AM

12. Lol, that's acting like a thug???(

 

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:31 PM

66. If not thuggish, then definitely not classy.

Co-opting someone else's event, holding it hostage in order to extract concessions under duress (one of those concessions, incidentally, was the exclusion of another group...), and generally making everything about them and walking all over everyone else? At the very least, it shows a total and complete lack of class.

It's also what you could characterize as a friendly-fire incident. The LGBT community knows very well what it's like to be marginalized and discriminated against and thus would sympathize, so hassling them isn't winning BLM any hearts or minds, but they went ahead and did it anyway.

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Response to Sand Rat Expat (Reply #66)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:40 PM

81. The only.point I was trying to make is thuggish is a very

 

loaded word & one many are quick to throw out when dealing with POC in any context they find uncomfortable. You would also find if you go to the actual BLM website that they specifically state their support of LGBT persons, just like immigrants. Just because someone claims to be part of BLM to take advantage of a situation doesn't actually make it so.

Many of the same ppl that jump on this bandwagon of bashing BLM as a whole for something such as this are the same group to bash them at every opportunity presented.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #81)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:34 PM

84. The idea that "thug" is a loaded word doesn't mean much to me.

I've used "thug" for years to refer to an attitude and a behavior, and if the attitude and behavior applies to a person, it matters not a whit to me if they're white, black, or green with purple stripes. You can interchange the word with hooligan, ruffian, churl, jerk, bully, or whatever else, but the point remains the same.

And it doesn't seem much like "support" to interrupt and then co-opt an event that means a great deal to the LGBT community. How do you think BLM would react if a group of LGBT folks decided to block one of their marches and then start issuing demands? They'd be outraged, and rightly so.

"Just because someone claims to be part of BLM to take advantage of a situation doesn't actually make it so." Well isn't that convenient? If it's good optics, then sure, it was absolutely BLM. Otherwise, it was some rogue element!

And when they do something I believe is bashworthy, I shall bash them about it. That's kind of how it works. In this case, they did something dumb, so they're getting bashed for it. QED.

BLM may want to start considering that their actions aren't automatically elevated by the virtue of their message. It's very possible to say a good thing in a bad way. When they do things like this, they make themselves look foolish, and that detracts from the message they're trying to send. The message, the calling attention to the violence perpetrated against PoC by the police and the justice system, is something that needs to happen because it needs to change.

The problem is that when you do stupid things in an attempt to communicate that message, you're undermining your own efforts because your actions are discouraging people from listening to you. No one wants to listen to or have a dialogue with someone who comes across like a total jerk.

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Response to Sand Rat Expat (Reply #84)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:48 AM

93. You & Fox News just keep on using the word thug like you do.

 

it says everything I need to know about you.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #93)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:48 PM

98. Indeed, yes.

Using words according to their definition in the dictionary tells you everything you need to know about me.

That's okay, though. You can go right ahead and seize on that one little thing since it so very conveniently allows you to just ignore everything else in my post.

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Response to Sand Rat Expat (Reply #98)

Wed Jul 6, 2016, 07:22 AM

99. I didn't ignore anything.

 

once I saw the I've used that word for years & I'm not going to change line I knew exactly the type of person you were & your thought process. No need to bother trying to get people to try & understand.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:30 AM

10. Divide and conquer

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:25 AM

23. As long as you conquer.

What matters is forcing others to do what you want and compelling the respect you think you demand. Extortion works; BLMers are obviously superior to those in the parade. Just because.

Tinpot dictators the world over are like that. So are some pretty nasty dictators. Progressive ... Only in the "power grows out of the barrel of a gun" circles.

A nice touch was "get rid of the police. They hate them so much they don't even want to share somebody else's occupied parade." Haters gonna.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:34 AM

11. Losing respect for that group. NT

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:07 AM

14. my support is seriously diminished for BLM

they were invited but they chose to disrupt the parade because they did not get the recognition they thought they deserved at an event held for others???

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:10 AM

15. "We didn't bully our way into Pride, we made space for ourselves in a place where we've been erased"

In a news release, the group said Pride Toronto "has shown little honour to black queer/trans communities, and other marginalized communities. Over the years, Pride has threatened the existence of black spaces at Pride that have existed for years."


I'm absolutely flummoxed by what they're expecting out of this.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:31 AM

17. So being given the status of Honored Guest equates to being erased?

I imagine they don't get invited back anywhere often if that's how they treat their hosts.

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:54 AM

19. Yup

BTW, this is the Toronto chief of police:

http://i.cbc.ca/1.3091951.1432849504!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_460/toronto-mark-saunders.jpg

I'm in no way saying that just because the CoP is black doesn't mean that the force can't be racist as a whole, however....

My sense is that getting the police to support Pride was another step towards ending the long battle between the police and the gay community. Having a police presence (and the presence of openly gay cops) is good for both groups.

The only way that the police are going to become less fascist is through diversification, and not just of skin color but of political beliefs.

BLM is putting themselves in a place where one might think that they're not just opposed to police brutality, but opposed to all police, all the time.

That is not a winning position for them.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:39 PM

67. "...where one might think... they're opposed to all police, all the time."

This.

The right has, from the very beginning, tried to characterize BLM as anti-police, rather than anti-police brutality. Gimmicking the narrative so that the former perception holds the most space is the best way for the right to make BLM irrelevant and shut down the very real concerns BLM is trying to raise.

By demanding that the police be excluded from Toronto Pride, BLM is just playing right into the hands of their most vocal critics on the right. They're right to point out and oppose African-Americans' historical and current exclusion from American society, but turning around and demanding the exclusion of a group they don't like makes them look like hypocrites.

And doing so while essentially holding a Pride parade hostage until they get what they want just makes them look like classless bullies.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:19 AM

16. I also find it ironic that they're using their platform to call for the exclusion of other groups

I wonder which group is more likely to be invited back next year: BLM or the cops?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 08:55 AM

20. Not really doing a lot for their cause.

Totally inappropriate.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:01 AM

21. An activist group was invited to a political event

And they acted like activists. I've got friends who were in the parade, and they were very annoyed at being held up for "what felt like an hour and a half." (but was really half an hour)

Pride is, and always has been a political event. It's a festival to fight against the erasure of queer space from the public eye. If you want a pretty good representation that Pride is still necessary, look at that ridiculous #heterosexualprideday hastag that went around Twitter recently, and also this article about the Dyke March in Toronto the day before the Pride Parade:
http://www.citynews.ca/2016/07/02/video-dyke-march-a-political-event-this-year-as-opposed-to-a-party-or-celebration/?show_id=0

See that headline that says the Dyke March will be political "this year?"

It's always been political.

Toronto doesn't have nearly the problems that I see in places like Florida, Missouri, etc... but POC are still being killed here. Sammy Yatim, Andrew Loku, and Jermaine Carby were all shot to death by police in situations that could have been handled differently. Andrew Loku's killer will not be charged: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/andrew-loku-siu-1.3498266
Sammy Yatim's killer is facing sentencing later this month.
Jermaine Carby's killer faced no misconduct charges, either: https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/05/10/inquest-into-jermaine-carby-sheds-light-on-police-shooting.html

Pride has always been a protest against those who would erase us (LGBT), so let LGBT POC protest, too. They've released a list of demands which is very strong, but that's only an opening position. Now comes meetings, and negotiations. They likely won't get everything they asked for, but it's important to make the attempt, to really get in there and work at it. Don't let an inconvenience of half an hour on a lovely sunny Pride day in Toronto overshadow the deaths of POC at the hands of police.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:11 AM

22. nails it..../

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:28 AM

24. It's a complicated issue, for certain,

But it's the very definition of intersectionality. Queer rights meet the rights of POC. And BLM Toronto is also fighting for Native rights, and other threatened communities like South Asian queers. This was a big flashy protest designed to get attention, and it did. so much so that the Toronto Sun, with its history for homophobia (http://www.dailyxtra.com/toronto/news-and-ideas/news/gays-vs-the-toronto-sun-5781), has decided it wants to be the protector of Pride now, from those terrible, horrible black protestors:

https://twitter.com/goldsbie/status/749971117121662976

Pride is only useful to the Sun when they want to use it to marginalize someone else. Terrible.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:19 AM

37. Thank you for your post.

 

It makes more sense than many others in this thread. Here's the gist I got from the article.

Pride Toronto, in response to the sit-in, said it welcomes the opportunity to "continue the conversation" with Black Lives Matter Toronto.

"During the parade, BLM-TO started a conversation with us to explore how we can create an even more inclusive and safe festival. We, like BLM-TO have a commitment to ensure our most marginalized communities feel safe and welcome at the festival."


I also liked this photo.

[img]http://i.cbc.ca/1.3662876.1467570095!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_620/toronto-pride-parade-20160703.jpg[/img]

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Response to KMOD (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:56 AM

39. A couple of people caught up with Chantelois afterwards

Someone tweeted:

https://twitter.com/sjbattersby/status/749703064303443968

I just spoke with Matthieu Chantelois about BLM action. He says the demands were reasonable and Pride is excited to work with them more.

https://twitter.com/sjbattersby/status/749703348119412736

He says he didn't take the job of executive director of Pride to run a music festival. It's political and that's what this was.

There's of course a lot of ink being spilled on this today. There's a good article in the Star:
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/07/04/police-chief-waiting-on-pride-organizers-to-explain-parade-ban.html

The police chief acknowledges that there are problems, and that it's going to be work, which is a great statement to make:
“I’m going to wait until the executive talks to me,” Saunders said, adding he doesn’t know when that will happen.

Saunders vigorously defended his force’s attempts to be inclusive, and said he will always try to improve relations with the LGBT community.

“We’re always looking for ways to be progressive,” Saunders said. “We have to get it right.”

He noted that other police forces, including the RCMP and OPP, also participate in the annual Pride marches.

Particular work needs to be spent building positive relationships with the transgender community, he said.

“We need to fix that,” Saunders said. “It’s not a one-day-a-year thing.”

He added that officers enjoy participating in the Pride parade.

“A lot of people volunteer to work the parade because it’s a fantastic parade,” Saunders said.


A nicely measured response that shows some eagerness to move forward, and an acknowledgement that there's work yet to do. I was less thrilled by TPA President McCormack's statement:
Toronto Police Association president Mike McCormack was more blunt. He called the agreement to exclude police from future Pride parades “a slap in the face to all police officers.”

“It’s remarkable that organizers of an event that is supposed to be so inclusive could be so callous,” McCormack said Sunday.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:30 PM

44. Most of the responses are wonderful.

 

This is how progress starts.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:48 PM

48. Most of the demands seem reasonable, but one, in particular, does not

 

Namely:

Removal of police floats in the pride marches/parades.

That seems like an unreasonable, and counterproductive demand.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:00 PM

50. I thought that removing the floats...

...was not completely outlandish, though I did think that saying no floats or even booths was a little much. The police and the Toronto LGBTQ community have a chequered past, and a few queer-positive cops marching in the parade is great optics for an organization that hasn't entirely come around to be nice to the queer community.

But to cut off any outreach at Pride at all (in the form of booths, etc...) is shortsighted.

What I'd really love to see is a return to some of the roots of Pride, and see fewer corporate floats, but that is, of course, where the money comes from, so we're not gonna see that any time soon.

Look, it's the TD Canada Trust float, look it's the Tarzan-The-Movie float, look it's the Chrysler float, look it's the M&M Meatshops Float... All meaningless floats full of professional scantily clad eye candy.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:15 PM

52. It's a bit of a Catch-22 with the corporate floats

 

Several of the BLM demands specifically called for greater funding and the corporate floats go a long way towards affording such expenditures.

As for the police floats/booths, I agree with your assessment.

I know that BLM is about political action that draws attention to itself, but I do think they could have simply met with the parade organizers ahead of time (which they have explicitly said they did not do) and would have gotten their demands met with no interruption of the parade.

But I guess that wasn't entirely the point - and the interruption itself is what gets them in the news.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:22 PM

53. The sit-in

doesn't really bother me, given what the roots of the Pride celebration in North America are. After all, the first Pride was a riot!

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:28 PM

54. It did bother some folks though

 

Many share your perspective and were not at all bothered by it, but clearly there were also some who were.

But bothering people is part of the point of a sit-in, I suppose.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #52)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:39 AM

91. Not really...

 

Based on their behavior so far, they would love nothing more that to exclude everyone else and just have a BLM parade with the funds in place.

Everything in every situation is all about them and anyone who doesn't agree is an obvious racist.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:01 PM

77. they detest stereotypes

unless it's LEO

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Response to Skittles (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:40 AM

92. ... or white people.

 

Look for the video of the vigil they hijacked in Orlanda a week or two ago.

Found it:

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:28 PM

72. Thanks for posting

It seems that too many here search for reasons to demonize BLM. If any activist group is to be successful they have to disrupt in ways that make people uncomfortable. Your post encourages me that there are still people who look beyond the headline and outrage.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #72)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:45 PM

74. I'm glad to be encouraging!

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:34 AM

25. They pulled out of our SF Pride Parade because of increased security measures this year.

And BLM was also grand marshall status here, as well.

Here's the link:
http://sfist.com/2016/06/24/saying_theyre_more_afraid_of_police.php

Security was increased at the food/activities area because of the Orlando attack, but let me tell you: it was absolutley nothing compared to the Checkpoint Charlie security measures you had to go through to get into the Superbowl area downtown this year.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:02 AM

27. Not the first time

And sadly, probably not the last: BLM Hijacks Orlando Memorial

(Don't read the comments on that page. Just don't.)

As some one who is neither black, nor white, but Asian and also transgender, is it too much to ask to not use someone else's cause to promote you own? This seriously grinds my gear.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:18 AM

28. Did BLM approach the Pride org. prior to this?

I'm doubting it.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:38 AM

30. One oppressed minority stepping on another oppressed minorities toes?

What the flipping fuck?

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Response to retrowire (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:49 PM

58. it's actually quite common

and ALWAYS disgusting

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Response to retrowire (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:57 PM

60. many belong to both groups.blm was started by lesbian activists

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Response to retrowire (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:57 PM

75. These BLM idiots need an Intersectionality lesson.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:40 AM

31. Heaven forfend another oppressed group might get some attention.

 

It has to be all about them, 24/7. Self-centered assbags...fuck 'em.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:41 AM

32. They want respect, but they won't give respect

to other oppressed minorities.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:51 AM

33. Fuck them - they are doing more damage to race

 

Relations than they are there helping

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:55 AM

38. Agreed. It's time to start stressing unity over diversity.

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Response to Akicita (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:14 PM

68. +1 n/t

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:59 AM

34. The militant tactics are not working in their favor

I get the whys, but the hows? Things like this just lead to more isolation and division. If the goal is to be marginalized and excluded, then they are winning - but what are they winning? You don't earn respect by demanding it.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:56 AM

41. Racist morons

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:23 PM

42. Attention-seeking assholes.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:28 PM

43. Too cowardly to go after the right wing!

 

Why the FUCK is BLM constantly going after their allies?
The hell does harassing gays in another country accomplish?
Why not do this shit at a Trump rally?

"The parade didn't re-start until after Pride Toronto executive director Mathieu Chantelois signed a document agreeing to the group's demands."

That's the definition of weakness.

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Response to FixTheProblem (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:36 PM

73. Because

"The ultimate measure of a man <or ally> is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

The outrage sparked just highlights how many alleged allies are not willing to experience some discomfort with having a law enforcement system that benefits them but torments others challenged.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #73)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:14 PM

79. Oh please.

BLM did something dumb here by alienating people who know very well what it's like to be marginalized and discriminated against. Rather than joining the Pride parade and being part of the event, BLM had to make the event all about them because... why, exactly?

Why could BLM not just march in the parade to show solidarity for the LGBT community? Why did they have to go out of their way to hijack the event and try to cram themselves into the spotlight?

When you go out of your way to step all over people who view you favorably, you can't turn around and be all aggrieved that they're not viewing you as favorably as they did before.

The person or persons who came up with this idea certainly didn't do BLM any favors. All you need to do to figure that out is read most of the responses in this thread and watch the coverage of the event. It is possible to turn people away from a righteous cause by being a boor, and that's exactly what happened here.

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Response to Sand Rat Expat (Reply #79)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:23 PM

80. So, BLM should start celebrating police with PRIDE?

Despite fearing that they, their family, and friends of color are disproportionately at risk of being killed or beaten by them?
Why is it so hard to understand the difference between security measures and celebrating an institution that manifests systemic racism.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #80)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:51 PM

86. Are you being serious right now?

Marching in the Pride event isn't celebrating the police. It's not a Police Pride Parade. You're acting like marching in the same parade as a group of police automatically equates to lauding the police, which is just absurd. How in the world did you come to that conclusion?

If BLM and the police both want to turn out to support Toronto Pride and the LGBT community, they both have the right to do so. Their presence in the same parade isn't a tacit admission of support and admiration for each other, but for the LGBT community. If one or the other of the two isn't comfortable being in the same parade, then they have the option to decline to attend. They do not have the right to demand that the other group be banned from attending.

What BLM is doing here is the political equivalent of "If you don't stop being friends with that kid I don't like, I won't be your friend anymore!" Demanding that the police be excluded from showing their support for the LGBT community is just ridiculous.

Oh, and to hell with the LGBT and LGBT-friendly cops who had the audacity to take part in an LGBT Pride event! How dare they! Next year they'd better express their support from home, am I right?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:32 PM

45. I am of two minds on this, but some of the responses on this thread...

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:57 PM

46. some?

 

I'd say most of the responses make me

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:50 PM

49. It seems like a conversation prior to the parade would've been a good idea

 

If all the demands were agreed to, why not present the demands before the day of the parade? It does not appear that this occurred. If it had, I think the outcome would've been positive. There is really only one demand that is potentially controversial (about the police).

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:27 PM

47. After this and Orlando...

And many, many other incidents, it's time to agree BLM has gone off the rails like OWS, if not more so.

Wash your hands of them and move on to someone, someplace, or something who'll actually do some good, and not a bunch of posers in it for themselves.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:07 PM

51. Here in Atlanta the AA gay men and women hold their own Black Gay Pride.

 

It's a huge event and guys and gals come from all over the country to participate. Now we do have a ''regular'' Gay Pride celebration and parade, but as I have read and heard, Blacks feel as if thtey too are not represented enough so therefore they hold their own event. It's a shame that the more diversified we become as a nation the more we segregate ourselves within our own tribes. It saddens me. People of all colors gay and straight need to come together. We can not stand alone. That's why we have a Rainbow Flag. Get it.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:30 PM

55. what a bunch of losers.....

they are doing more harm to their "cause" then doing any good.....what a disgusting group of idiots.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:47 PM

57. idiots

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:52 PM

59. They refused to let the parade go through till their demands were met.

One of those demands was that the police not get a float in the next parades. I think that is unfair and shortsighted. Toronto Pride worked extra hard with the police this year to keep everybody safe. If at some point the police want to participate in pride I think it will do wonders for those LGBT youth who are often victims of crimes. As are many in the black community. We need to build better relationships between the police and both groups. Having an African Canadian police chief in Toronto, like they do, is a good start.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:57 PM

61. African Canadian?

 

Saunders was born in England to Jamaican parents.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:58 PM

62. Jamaican Canadian then.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #62)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:02 PM

63. How about Black?

 

Black Canadian is generally used without controversy.

Most Black Canadians are of Caribbean, not African descent.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:25 PM

69. Okay.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:29 PM

65. PETA used to do the same

They would hijack the "No War in Iraq" peace marches. I'm a longtime vegetarian, but was disgusted about how they tried to drown out the peace marches. If you have a good cause, disrupting other good causes actually hurts the way people look at your cause.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #65)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:58 PM

76. Don't forget the "FREE MUMIA" nuts.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:38 PM

70. I think what bothers me the most

 

is the unstated opinion that some causes are more important than others. I have actually read a Canadian BLM supporter argue that, since "the gays" had "gay marriage" now, why bother with this "Pride BS." If I didn't know better, I might think this is a repeat of the old Cointel scheme.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:39 PM

71. I don't agree with it, but I'm not going throw out the baby with the bathwater.

 

Black Lives Matters is a hugely significant movement that is bringing attention to extremely important, life or death, issues.

Stuff like this hurts them, and I do not think it is a good idea to make enemies of your friends, but cops are still murdering black people.

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Response to fbc (Reply #71)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:42 PM

85. they were

they're becoming a joke now

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:02 PM

78. Funny how quickly BLM was dismissed here once they extended their protests beyond Sanders rallies

 

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:26 PM

83. Said it before

and I'll say it again, BLM has gone off the rails and needs attention to give what's left of their fractured movement credibility. Bunch of hijacking buffons and losers, who needs the right-wingers to disrupt a Pride event when we got them? :mad

And I really doubt any of this will improve inclusivity of Pride in Toronto. I do know that the Pride events I've gone to throughout the Midwest have been plenty diverse.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:30 PM

87. Oh for fuck's sake. *sigh* n/t

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:51 PM

88. Pride Toronto backtracks from Black Lives Matter promises

Pride Toronto is backing away from the promises made to Black Lives Matter Toronto during a protest that temporarily shut down the Pride Parade.

“My priority yesterday was to make the parade move,” Mathieu Chantelois, the executive director of Pride Toronto, told CP24 the following day on July 4, 2016. “Frankly, Black Lives Matter is not going to tell us that there are no more floats anymore in the parade.”

Instead, Chantelois said it is up to the community and the membership of Pride Toronto to determine whether or not the police should march in Pride.


http://www.dailyxtra.com/toronto/news-and-ideas/news/pride-toronto-backtracks-from-black-lives-matter-promises-196966

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:54 PM

89. Statement from Pride Toronto

Pride Toronto
5 hrs ·
Pride Toronto would like to thank everyone for participating in our history-making, first-ever, Pride Month. Thank you for coming to sit with us and taking part in a safe and successful Pride.
We are committed to creating a safe and inclusive festival for everyone and hearing from our whole community and stakeholders, including the most marginalized voices, on how to do so.
Pride Toronto never agreed to exclude police services from the Pride parade. Law enforcement are critical to ensuring a safe festival and parade. Toronto Police will continue to lead security planning for future parades and we thank them for their efforts. We have had, and will continue to have, discussions with the police about the nature of their involvement as parade participants.
This August, Pride Toronto will host a public Townhall to gather feedback about the 2016 festival. In advance of the meeting, we invite you to share your thoughts by contacting: cochairs@pridetoronto.com
We look forward to hearing from you,
Pride Toronto
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https://www.facebook.com/PrideToronto/posts/10154254208122037

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:14 AM

95. Pride attracts cameras. Sanders attracts cameras.

BLM doesn't attract cameras. The only way they can get their word out is by hijacking someone else's event, to get in front of their cameras.

If only BLM events could attract cameras. But they don't. Does BLM have events that they organize?

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:47 PM

96. The newspeak of calling this a "stall". The parade was held hostage.

 

Physically blocking a parade is violence. This type of violence should not be tolerated in a civilized society.

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Response to oberliner (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:55 PM

97. What?? Why?

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