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Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:19 PM

 

The Nazis' assault rifle now made in America

Source: CNN

"It's been a surprise hit with us," said Mac Steil, co-owner of Hill & Mac Gunworks in Georgia, which has taken orders for 2,000 rifles since the product launch in January. "We sold more rifles the first day than we thought we'd sell all year."

Hill & Mac Gunworks, a startup in the Atlanta suburb of Alpharetta, is reproducing the STG 44 Sturmgewehr, which was developed for German soldiers in World War II. The German word "sturm" means to storm, or assault, and "gewehr" means rifle.

"This German STG 44 is where the name 'assault rifle' originated and it's the first one to be widely used," said Jim Supica, director of the NRA Museum in Fairfax, Virginia, which has an original Sturmgewehr in its collection. "The Sturmgewehr 44 was the predecessor of true modern assault rifles such as the Soviet AK-47 and the American M-16."

The original Sturmgewehrs are valued by gun enthusiasts and history buffs, selling for tens of thousands of dollars. Hill & Mac is selling its reproductions for $1,799.

Read more: http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/29/smallbusiness/german-sturmgewehr-assault-rifle/index.html?iid=H_SB_News



It should be noted that these replicas fire in semiautomatic mode only. They're not fully automatic selective fire rifles.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:21 PM

1. Thanks, Nazis (n/t)

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:22 PM

2. Good. It's stuff like this that is hurrying the downfall of gun culture.

Post more of this please. Every little bit helps!




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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:04 PM

13. There isn't just ONE gun culture.. it's a mistake to think that.

 

Using the term "gun culture" is just as much as a generalization as saying "youth culture" or "Black culture" or "religious culture" or "Muslim culture" or "gay culture".. It is in very POOR TASTE!


Shooting sports have been included at every Summer Olympic Games since the birth of the modern Olympic movement at the 1896 Summer Olympics except at the 1904 & 1928 editions.

Military.

Gangs (I'm afraid that if I list Black, White, Asian gangs separately I'd get an alert - so I didn't).

Target shooter.

Shotgun skeet and trap shooters.

Handgun moving plate competition.. there's a name for it.

People who leave loaded guns out for kids to find and shoot their siblings or friends.

and there are others..

I used to hate guns and be afraid of them like you One Handle then I decided to not be afraid of them and learned to use a rifle.

I'm STILL against handguns because they are so concealable and a lot of dumb people own them..

It is also a mistake of anti-gunners to group bolt-action rifles, semi-auto rifles and handguns all in the same group.

Are you allowed to own guns One Handle?
Don't like the government having your thumb-print?
In California, they aren't THAT easy too obtain at an actual gun shop..

Go ahead, learn a new skill, it's fun. And even better to not be afraid of an inanimate object.
It can get expensive though..


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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:27 PM

38. LOL!

 

HMG underestimated the interest in this weapon, sold out their pre-order too quickly and has now had to secure additional production resources and staff to meet demand.

https://www.hmgunworks.com/product/hmg-sturmgewehr-standard-length-223/

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:40 PM

54. How is this worse than an SKS or AK reproduction?

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:55 PM

65. How is this worse than an SKS or AK reproduction?

well, the AK was designed to avoid the faults that the STG had.

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Response to Angel Martin (Reply #65)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:01 PM

71. The AK wasn't based on the SG44

 

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Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:28 PM

114. Good question

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #110)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:31 PM

116. I alerted because it was gun porn, not LBN worthy.

And I immediately (check the times) replied out because I LOVE that Nazi and Assault Rifle are in the subject line.

Few in the real world read past the headlines.

I LOVE that the gun nut industry is digging its own grave.

Guess your callout didn't go in the direction you originally assumed it would.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #116)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:35 PM

117. Yet you participate in a 'gun porn' thread, praising it.

Which is it.. lock it, or participate?

Oh wait, you want both.. throw some snark and then get it locked.

Bye, Felicia.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #117)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:54 PM

123. You should say bye to pathetic extreme conservative GOP gun nuts.

Their impotency is become apparent.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:22 PM

3. These replicas are junk

Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:48 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:07 PM

47. Why is that?

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:23 PM

84. Junk might be harsh but it is nothing like the original

It's just a hodgepodge of parts make it look like the original. It's not even the right caliber.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:48 PM

126. That is a bummer.

I can understand the caliber change since no one makes that ammo any more.

So they didn't start with the original specs and just make a caliber change?
If not, then "junk" might be the right description.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:39 PM

135. It's not a terrible replica.

 

It does take some liberties with the action, and some other features of the rifle, but you CAN get it in the original caliber, though that would make shooting it a pain because the caliber is not going to be readily available in the local shops.

I saw sample. Seems terribly overpriced to me, but there ya go.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #135)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:05 PM

140. Yeah, one typically doesn't find 7.92x33 Kurz for sale at the local gun shop.

 

You can get it online easily enough for about $15 per box of 20.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:29 PM

4. Meh... I have a friend with a replica Roman gladius sword...

 

I don't think he's in danger of world conquest or nailing folks to crosses...

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Response to TipTok (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:11 AM

152. Or shooting anyone.

"I don't think he's in danger of world conquest or nailing folks to crosses..."

Or shooting anyone. Swords rarely do that.

Meh, part deux.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:36 PM

5. Gee, I wonder

how many Neo-Nazi groups ordered these to further their connection to The Third Reich? I won't be surprised to see them pop up on the news slung over a skinhead shoulder sometime soon.

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Response to hotrod0808 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:39 PM

6. Yeah

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Response to hotrod0808 (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:46 PM

9. Yes, more of the 'good guys' with guns...

 


I'll stick with my bolt-action CZs, thanks


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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:40 PM

7. How long before they can be adapted to full auto fire like the AR-15?

Someone will surely try it.

So they can have more protection, of course.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:45 PM

8. It is quite difficult to convert an AR-15 into a machinegun.

 

You can bump fire it, of course, but you can do that with any semiautomatic.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:47 PM

10. It is still auto fire.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:48 PM

11. Not according to the ATF.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:06 PM

15. Got a link that shows that?

Define it how you will, hold the trigger and it keeps firing until you release the trigger or run out of ammo.

That sounds like auto fire.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:15 PM

18. Sure. Here's the ATF letter declaring that a bump fire stock is not a machinegun.

 

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:34 PM

22. AR 15's do not fire so long as you hold the trigger...

You have to pull the trigger each time.

You are mis-informed.

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Response to Vilis Veritas (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:46 PM

25. Love the meaning of "is" is with this.

It is full auto fire no matter how you define the trigger pull.

Your legal definition does not follow what is visible in the video.

Or maybe you can fire it in semi-automatic mode that quickly without the bump modification.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:53 PM

31. Actually, you can fire it in semi-automatic mode that quickly without the bump modification.

 

Bump firing does not require a special stock.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:06 PM

32. Accuracy? Practical use? You would use this technique in combat?

Got a video of an average person shooting a single shot consistently with the bump modification?

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:12 PM

34. Good heavens, no. Just pointing out that this was the original method of bump firing.

 

Got a video of an average person shooting a single shot consistently with the bump modification?

Sure thing. All it takes is a rubber band, and you can do it from the shoulder.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:20 PM

37. That was multiple shots. Try again

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #37)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:29 PM

130. Ah, I misunderstood your question. Here's someone starting out with single shots and transitioning

 

to more rapid ones:



So there you go.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #130)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:17 AM

150. Does not have the bump modification.

Try again.

You have already shown it can be done without the modification.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #34)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:44 PM

56. You'll never break them of their irrational fear of things that haven't happened

 

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Response to Vilis Veritas (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:47 PM

40. My aim is careful enough that I don't have to spit

 

a barrage of bullets. One is enough. People that need to bumpfire are compensating for their inability to do anything well.

Seriously. You have a burning need to spit that many bullets via bumpfire? You are a lousy shot. The only person that thinks you are "cool" doing that is you. The rest of the population thinks that is wasteful idiocy.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 04:34 AM

174. Wth? I shoot competitively. Bolt action 308.

Were you responding to someone else?

You missed the target on this post.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:14 PM

17. this is a bump fire AR-15, and its as fucking close to fully auto as I can see

 

the rounds per minute rate is insane

NO ONE NEEDS THIS

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:20 PM

20. Tell it to the ATF. They disagree.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:40 PM

23. not arguing it's current legality , I am saying there is no rational

 

reason that private citizens need that sort of weapon system. It's a killing machine.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:48 PM

26. A military bolt-action rifle is also a killing machine. That, in and of itself, is not a reason to

 

outlaw ownership of it (IMHO, of course). Semiautomatic guns are legal...and that's all this is.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:51 PM

43. You've given me a lot to think about.

Like do the bullets enter a persons head and spread brain matter differently because someone got the lingo correct? Is it less painful having ones brains splattered everywhere form Semi-auto, full auto or burst? Which way of shredding human tissue is the coolest? However I am afraid you might not answer as I probably didn't get the lingo correct. I apologize for that.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #43)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:02 PM

138. Since you did ask....

 

Like do the bullets enter a persons head and spread brain matter differently because someone got the lingo correct

No they do not.

Is it less painful having ones brains splattered everywhere form Semi-auto, full auto or burst?

No, nor does it matter to the target whether or not the bullet in question was fired from a slide action, bolt action, lever action, mutlibarrel firearm, or single shot.

Which way of shredding human tissue is the coolest?

Spears of solid helium, 1 degree Kelvin.

However I am afraid you might not answer

I'm here for you.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #138)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:07 PM

142. I don't trust someone who hasn't conducted

testing on the questions I asked. Sorry, unless you are willing to experience it then I don't believe you.

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Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #142)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:10 PM

143. Well, I tried.

 

I don't believe you.

Alas and alack.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:52 PM

44. If you want 10 of them, go for it.

 

Just don't load the sob's. How do you feel running around with something like that? Does it make you feel powerful, strong and right to know that you can end the lives of people?

I'll be honest. It makes me sick to my stomach that people think for whatever reason they need that damn many bullets. You either have bad aim, or are on the path to nihilism. Get some help, not more damn bullets. Life should be valued, period.

The life you save might just be your own. That culture will not end well for anybody, and human beings aren't collateral damage. It's called murder.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:49 PM

59. You must be one of those "one shot, one kill" hero types

 

in the real world, it's hard to shoot people when under stress.

That's why cops and security professionals don't care revolvers as standard issue

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:50 PM

60. You must be one of those

 

I need to spew as many bullets as possible to make sure everything is dead types.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #60)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:53 PM

63. I must? Id hate to fire 7 and need 8

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:57 PM

68. Does the phrase

 

"You are doing it wrong" mean anything to you?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #68)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:00 PM

70. Am I? Here's a trained professional...

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:04 PM

73. All I saw was a bunch of baffoons.

 


If you think this is exemplary, no wonder. It makes sense that you need spray and pray.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #73)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:10 PM

77. Whatever you say dead eye

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #77)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:17 PM

81. I'd far rather be me

 

than you, needing that much ammo expenditure and correction to make a shot, sweetheart. Throw out that many bullets, and people get killed by a ricochet. I'd rather take careful aim than annihilate innocent bystanders.

That's just selfish.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #81)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:18 PM

82. Of course you would...just like in the movies

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #82)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:22 PM

83. I'm pretty certain

 

that the only people that glamorize discharging that many bullets are the ones living in Hollywood in their own minds.

I don't need that much, and I have been in a few different situations where it came in handy. Maybe you shoot people; I don't. I've needed to shoot wildlife, though. I'd hate to see what would happen to you if you had a feral hog in your backyard. If you need that damn many shots, you'd be dead as a doornail.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #83)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:23 PM

85. I hear ya, Dirty Harry

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #85)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:26 PM

88. How did you get like this?

 

I'm seriously curious. When did you come to the conclusion that recklessly shooting massive amounts of ammo was a sane, safe thing to do?

It's not normal to need that much firepower. I'm not going to sit here and say that it is.

How did you get like this?

Guns are a last resort. They aren't the go to for problem solving.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #88)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:31 PM

90. Well, Carlos Hathcock

 

You don't have to be reckless to miss...any shooter knows that.
Add in adrenalin and stress, missing becomes more likely.

Until you've had someone shooting back at you, it's hard to say how you're going to react.


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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #90)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:40 PM

92. I've actually been shot at.

 

The personal attacks don't change who I am, dear.

Talk to me when you have also dealt with a full-on feral hog in the backyard due to the aftermath of a hurricane.

Go right ahead "I need a shit ton of bullets that can ricochet and kill innocent bystanders".

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Response to Aerows (Reply #92)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:57 PM

95. Whatever you say Bourne

 

whateeeeever you say

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #95)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:07 PM

99. Pretty well documented.

 

I love how you have gotten completely shut down in this thread, and all you can do is call me superhero names.

I'm pretty flattered, to be honest

Quit idolizing guns that can spew massive amounts of ordnance, and you can be awesome, too.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #99)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:10 PM

102. Of course it has...

 

on the internet you can be anything you want to be.

And you're a rootin, tootin, shootin expert. I bet my shooting instructor friends could learn oodles from your expertise.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #102)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:14 PM

103. I'm not linking to the newspaper article.

 

But there was one.

I don't like killing things. It is only in a dire situation that I do so. I'm comfortable with my ethical standards. I'm comfortable with my moral makeup.

I rather think you are concerned about your ethics and morals if you are this ardent in pursuing this topic.

I can't make you a better person, Press Virginia, you are the only one that can do that.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #103)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:20 PM

106. Like I said

 

you can be whoever and whatever you want to be on the Internet.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #106)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:23 PM

111. Sure can.

 

Who are you being today?

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Response to Aerows (Reply #111)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:26 PM

113. The guy laughing at you

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #113)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:28 PM

115. Then I'm happy.

 

I'll take people laughing at me any day than anger.

It's better laughing with me, but I'll take joy when I can get it, even at my own expense !

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Response to Aerows (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:37 PM

132. I only have half a dozen or so.

 

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How do you feel running around with something like that?

I don't open carry handguns or long guns.

Does it make you feel powerful, strong and right to know that you can end the lives of people?

I don't open carry handguns or long guns.

I'll be honest. It makes me sick to my stomach that people think for whatever reason they need that damn many bullets. You either have bad aim, or are on the path to nihilism.

Does it make you sick to your stomach that the US Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Police, FBI, ATF (I could go on.....) need that many damn bullets? Do they have bad aim, or are they on the path to nihilism?

The life you save might just be your own. That culture will not end well for anybody, and human beings aren't collateral damage. It's called murder.

The unlawful taking of a human life is murder, yes. Sometimes firearms are used to commit such a crime.

The lawful taking of human life is not murder. And sometimes firearms are used to commit such an act.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #132)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:23 AM

148. "The lawful taking of human life is not murder."

 

No, it isn't but it should not be approached blythely as though buying a pack of toilet paper.

Understand what you are doing. It should be onerous - everybody is somebodies kid, after all.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #148)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:57 AM

149. I'm glad we agree.

 

No, it isn't but it should not be approached blythely as though buying a pack of toilet paper.

Who is saying it should be?

Understand what you are doing.

Which is....what, exactly?

It should be onerous - everybody is somebodies kid, after all.

What should be onerous? If you're speaking of lawfully killing someone in self-defense, I don't agree. Self defense does not need any addition burdens. I'm not arguing that the goal of self-defense is to kill someone, mind you, but rather to eliminate the threat. This does not necessarily mean killing an attacker, but that is frequently the result.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:33 PM

51. any gun is a killing machine, that fucking thing is a weapon of

 

localised MASS DESTRUCTION. Their is no rational reason to have it unless you are planning on mass killing, or going to battle with law enforcement like the Sovereign Citizen lunatics dream of after they get done tossing off to the Turner Diaries.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:46 PM

58. And yet, "that thing" kills very few people a year and is rarely used in mass shootings

 

shotguns are used to kill more people than "assault rifles"

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #58)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:56 PM

66. so we have to wait for a bump fire massacre to wail and gnash

 

our teeth? That system is insanity to have in private citizens hands.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #66)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:58 PM

69. It would make more sense than living in fear of something that doesn't happen

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #69)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:05 PM

74. That's lunacy. Outlawing that system is taking a foundationally logical, PROACTIVE approach to the

 

prevention of mass shootings.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #74)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:12 PM

79. If you were worried about mass shootings you'd be trying to ban pistols

 

which are used 70% of the time rather than being fearful of something that doesn't occur

Oh and you can bump fire using a simple rubber band

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #79)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:10 PM

100. I'd be thrilled with a handgun ban.

 

Long guns are the way to go, and nobody (well, they usually don't) freak out and commits mass shootings with a 2 or 3 - even 5 shot rifle.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #100)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:17 PM

104. Only 16 people out of 133 used the gun you want banned

 

Every town USA puts the death toll of those guns at 160 since 2009.
In that same time period, 729 people were killed by other guns...which 70% of the time are pistols.
Until 2 weeks ago, the deadliest mass shooting was 32 people by a guy with 2 pistols and a bunch of 10rd mags.

248 people were killed by rifles(all rifles) according to the FBI. 286 were killed by shotguns.

Your fear of rifles that look like military weapons isn't very rational.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #104)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:22 PM

108. Bottom line:

 


If you need to spew 100 bullets from a drum connected to either a Glock or an AR-15, you most certainly have a sadder life than I do.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #108)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:25 PM

112. I wouldn't use anything prone to causing jams

 

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:12 PM

144. While

We're discussing rationality, there's no rational reason to need a car with more than 150 horsepower. 150 horsepower will easily allow you to achieve legal driving speeds and no one needs to go faster than that. Does someone rationally need a street legal Dodge Challenger Hellcat that produces 707 horsepower? Of course not.

How about a Bugatti Veyron? Who really rationally needs a street legal car capable of 267mph?

Screw it, let's just go back to the days of a 55 mile per hour speed limit - no one rationally needs to go faster than that.

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Response to HDSam (Reply #144)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:54 AM

163. need to go even further back

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:47 PM

41. Plain idiocy.

 

Nobody thinks that is "cool" except lunatics. Unfortunately, there are plenty of damn lunatics.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:06 PM

75. you are saying I am an idiot?????

 

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #75)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:07 PM

76. Not at all!

 

I'm saying that people that think that amount of firepower is necessary is idiocy.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #76)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:41 PM

93. oh, sorry, these gun threads tend to become a circle jerk so I thought

 

you where having a go at me. lol

I hate posting on them. It's my own fault.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #93)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:47 PM

94. You are good with me, AntiBank

 



They make me rather ill, too. Guns are a tool designed to kill. They have their place.

Spewing enough bullets to hit over 100 peaceful people on a night out isn't that place.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:12 PM

48. You seem to be mistaking rate of fire for automatic fire.

this is a bump fire AR-15, and its as fucking close to fully auto as I can see the rounds per minute rate is insane


Some autos fire quickly, some fire slowly. The rate of fire has no part in the definition of automatic fire. Machine guns are defined only by the mechanics in how they work, not their speed.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:50 PM

62. some people are just frightened easily

 

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:01 PM

72. i said it is damn near the rate of fire of some fully autos

 

you cant possibly think that system is needed for anything other than mass killing


I am NOT for repeal of the 2nd amendment. I am VERY familiar with weapons. But I also know some weapon systems have NO reason to be in the public's hands. That AR-15 bump fire is one.

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #72)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:10 PM

78. The actual problem is the bump fire.

The type of rifle that is it done on has not significance.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:17 PM

80. Ban rubber bands then

 

they can be used to do the same thing

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #80)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:54 PM

127. There is also that shoe string incident

if I remember correctly.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #127)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:38 PM

133. Don't get me started on that one....

 

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Response to AntiBank (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:40 PM

119. Wow...

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Just wow...

People actually argue in favor of a weapon like that with that kind of fire rate and capacity being legal for anyone with the money to buy it to own.

/facepalm

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Response to deathrind (Reply #119)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:57 PM

129. You seem confused about the "weapon like that" being discussed.

What makes this type of rifle special that it should have more restrictions than other rifles?

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #129)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:43 PM

137. "Weapon like that"...

Assault styled weapons...(but that nomenclature usually sends people right over the edge and the discussion as well because it is all about the correct words. Not the subject matter in posts about firearms) but basically weapons like the ones used in Newtown, Aurora, Orlando, San Bernadino x2, etc, etc.

A firearm (rifle/pistol/shotgun) that can achieve a fire rate as the video shows by simple modification should be heavily regulated, not banned. What should be banned is the capacity of the ammo clip/magazine/drum.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #137)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:05 PM

139. Let me help you out.

Assault styled weapons...

The only thing special about them is their looks. Do you really care all that much about their cosmetic features?

A firearm (rifle/pistol/shotgun) that can achieve a fire rate as the video shows by simple modification should be heavily regulated, not banned. What should be banned is the capacity of the ammo clip/magazine/drum.

Every semi-auto rifle can be manipulated like that, regardless of what it looks like.

The more rounds you put in a magazine, the less reliable the magazine becomes. The jams that the high capacity magazines are known for are often how the shooters are taken down.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:43 PM

55. Except for the fact that you have to pull the trigger each time, sure

 

Bump fire just returns the trigger faster

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:56 PM

128. Makes little difference. Most troops are taught to fire even full auto weapons on semi auto

for accuracy and to save ammo. The size of the clip is the difference in an active shooter scenario. Even if you had an armed citizen willing to return fire, he'd likely be better off taking cover and waiting until the shooting stopped to pop up and try to take the guy out. When he's reloading or changing weapons.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:59 PM

12. Oh, that's gonna piss off the gun-nuts.

Use the term "assault rifle" and you'll see them tap-dancing at a Gene Kelly skill-level around the term.

You see, they want firearms with a huge rate of fire, large capacity magazines (for the presumably 350 deer they plan on hunting...), easy reloading capability, and lightweight construction. But they don't want this weapon to sound threatening, because then it might be banned. Schools full of murdered children won't get assault rifles banned. They shouldn't worry that a scary name will.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:05 PM

14. Well, the MP44 was an assault rifle. This replica is not, even though it looks virtually identical.

 

Assault rifles are by definition selective fire.

The company in question actually is making some full auto MP44s, but they're not available to the public at large. The article says they'll be available for rent at select gun ranges, but they won't be for sale.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:11 PM

16. Full Definition of assault rifle

Full Definition of assault rifle

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assault%20rifle

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:19 PM

19. There are contradictary definitions of many words. The generally accepted definition of

 

"assault rifle" is a rifle capable of both semiautomatic and automatic fire. And in any case, it's the definition used by those working in the field of firearms rather than laymen.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:40 PM

24. "generally accepted" by those who want it that way.

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:19 PM

36. So I guess this STG is just a "modern sporting rifle," from your standpoint?

Talk about bullshit, cover-your-ass terminology.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:13 PM

49. "semi-auto carbine" is the phrase you are looking for.


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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:25 PM

50. "Assault rifle" covers it for me, thanks. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #50)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:36 PM

52. You probably meant "assault weapon".

Assault rifles are machine guns, which this rifle is clearly not.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:53 PM

64. He doesn't care. It's scary looking and he hates it

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #64)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:56 PM

67. I know, but his posts can be used to help educate others.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:01 PM

97. You can give them stats on shootings, the diffenrce on OS, point out

 

how gun laws only target those who follow the law and they won't care.

It's why they insist on using the same terms, lumping suicides and accidents in with murders and make arguments about muskets.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #97)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:45 PM

125. Hope springs eternal.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:32 PM

131. It's a semiautomatic rifle, styled to look like a vintage assault rifle.

 

It is also, under the expired (and unlamented) 1994 AWB, an "assault weapon".

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:34 PM

91. What military uses them or a

 

semi-auto AR-15?

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Response to Aristus (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:50 PM

28. And the tap-dancing started, right on cue!

 


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Response to villager (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:51 PM

30. It always does...

...

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:28 PM

21. it does look cool....don't want one, wouldn't know how to shoot it....but it does look cool

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:49 PM

27. Why not? The Nazis' spy network was brought in as part of the CIA.

 

We've seen what a swell idea that's been, too.

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Response to villager (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:50 PM

29. Not to mention their rocket program.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:07 PM

33. Next... Lugers!

With engraved Swastikas!

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Response to longship (Reply #33)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:23 PM

109. I'd like to see a quality, affordable repro of the P04.

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #109)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:39 PM

134. Typo? P08?

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #134)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:01 AM

145. Not a typo, the Naval model, P04

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #145)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:31 AM

146. Cool! While I knew of the Navel Model, I wasn't aware it was called the P04.

 

I suspect making brand new Lugers to authentic levels of fit and finish would be rather pricey, to say the least.

Looking up their value in the Blue Book....I mean. I know Lugers are pricey, and this is a rare variation, but how expensive could it b....



$30K - $50K? And my Blue Book is a few years old!

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:18 PM

35. I always thought the MP40 was the coolest old german full auto

 



No reason other than collector to own one obviously.

I've never got the whole idea of repro guns. No collector value.

These guys probably shot about 300 dollars or more worth of ammo with it.



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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:41 PM

39. Trump's supporters are no doubt first in line to buy this

just in case they need to put down a lot of terrorists very quickly, as if that's a thing that happens.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:50 PM

42. There's just something about guns that killed a lot of innocent people that attract gun lovers.

Even American made replicas produced by gun profiteers. Sell em with a Trump hat.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:56 PM

45. gun nuts emulating nazis?

You don't say.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:03 PM

46. More affordable than the repro FG-42, might be worth a look...

 

After it's been in production for some time. More interesting in my view than an AR-15.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:50 PM

61. Such a beautiful/sensual lethal weapon that inspires . . . . . . Jesus F Christ.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:59 PM

96. Do you think of it sensual?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #96)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:14 PM

158. You sure seem to think so. Only thing I see is another lethal weapon marketed to gun fanciers

by people who understand what turns them on (motivates them).

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #158)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:03 PM

160. What words did I use that could be interpreted as sensual?

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #61)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:37 AM

156. Your words bro.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:41 PM

136. As soon as I saw they were making that, I wanted one. Then I saw the price.

 

There's one with a price tag of over $6K on Gunbroker right now.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:39 PM

53. I wonder what surprised him more?

That there were that many nazis in the USA, or that they would pay an outrageous price for a mediocre gun?

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #53)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:10 PM

101. The price isn't actually that bad, and is anyone who buys a Kalashnikov variant a communist?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #101)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:36 PM

118. Yeah, I'm probably being too harsh on the nazis.

They would have these homegrown Aryan supremacists of ours up on the piano wire before they could seig heil. At least we seem to concur on the gun's mediocrity.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #118)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:43 PM

120. Right?? That, or euthanized by the T4 program.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:24 PM

86. Coincidence?

Nicht zu alles!

A brief glance at the history of corporate collusion with the Nazis reminds us that much of the small arms industry did, in fact, support Hitler before and during the war.

More than a few probably still retain such sympathies.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:25 PM

87. Man, what a RELIEF!!!

They got these puppies on the market JUST IN TIME for Trump supporters to march with them during general election season.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:01 PM

98. $1,799 is pretty steep for a 'shits-n-giggles' gun

especially for one where the reliability, accuracy is unknown, magazines are proprietary and spare parts
will be expensive and/or hard to come by.

For that price, one could buy a decent mid-level AR, decent optics and maybe still have enough left over
for a case of ammo.

The Nazi connection?
That's just bug-eyed, hand-wringing nonsense that has no connection with the desire this particular firearm.

At one time I owned an SS proof marked 98k Mauser (sold it ages ago because I needed the $$$).

At no time then or now (or ever), have I had any Nazi sympathies or admiration for them.
For me, it was just another rifle to add to my collection of surplus WW-II firearms.

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Response to Heeeeers Johnny (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:18 PM

105. Have you seen the SMG FG-42? Sticker shock with that one!

 

http://smgguns.com/?page_id=99

I'd jump if I could afford it.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #105)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:48 PM

121. Those look like nicely well done repros.

The machining required (unlike the stamped cheesy looking STG-44 knock-offs), raises the price quite a bit.
If I had crazy money, sure... I'd by both
But, if I really had the crazy money, I'd buy the real Mc'Coy's (that's my age showing, isn't it? )

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Response to Marengo (Reply #105)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 12:42 PM

169. Ah, if only I had $6K burning a hole in my pocket.

 

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Response to Heeeeers Johnny (Reply #98)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:59 AM

164. You can pick this up

for a far more reasonable price



$329 from CDNN

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Response to melm00se (Reply #164)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:43 AM

165. Well, sure....but it's just a .22 LR. Looks pretty close to the original, granted.

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #165)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:56 AM

166. a guy in a squad i was running

last year had one.

It shot well, no FTEs or FTFs but i will say it is one of the heaviest 22's I have ever handled.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #166)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 10:57 AM

167. The weight isn't a bug, it's a feature.

 

There are all sorts of semi auto rifles now that duplicate the look and feel of their centerfire counterparts. My SIG 522 in .22LR is indistinguishable at a glance from its "big brother" SIG 550, although when the the magazine is inserted it's something of a giveaway.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:21 PM

107. I don't like these posts, I never know if gun fiends are talking about their

Guns or their lover. It's kind of pornografía. Ewwwww.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:54 PM

122. There are several semi-auto reproductions of select fire and automatic firearms

The Browning Automatic Rifle, the M14, the MG43 to name three.

Not really surprising that the STG 44 replica is popular.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #122)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 12:23 PM

168. I have a 1919a4 semi auto.

It uses a 250rd belt.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #168)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:15 PM

170. Ok.....that's pretty damn cool!

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #170)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:16 PM

171. But pretty expensive to run. n/t

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #171)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:10 PM

172. At north of $100 per loaded belt....yeah, I'd say so!

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #172)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:55 PM

173. Mainly I shoot M2 Ball= handloads

I bought 10,000 147FMJ pulled bullets last year. If More come available then I may get another couple of thousand.

After all I have several M1 Garands to feed also.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:17 PM

124. I rekon

 

If you don't like firearms, well, don't own one then. Leave the rest of us alone.

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Response to Elmergantry (Reply #124)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 11:06 PM

141. +1

 

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Response to Elmergantry (Reply #124)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:33 AM

154. Well said.

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Response to Elmergantry (Reply #124)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:50 AM

157. I pretend mere opinions on a message board are oppressing me as well.

I pretend mere opinions on a message board are oppressing me as well.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:49 AM

147. A fool and his money

Crappy gun. Overpriced.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:12 AM

151. Looks like more stamped steel junk...I'll stick to my AR's

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:22 AM

153. Not an attractive weapon at all.

Stick to my AR-15's. If you want a superior German weapon get an HK & be gloriously happy with life.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:36 AM

155. I don't see the fascination for this particular rifle.

It more or less looks like a toy to me. I'll stick with my 12-gauge.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #155)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:19 PM

161. Gun Hipsterism

To go along with their Mosin–Nagants and Webley Revolvers...

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 01:31 PM

159. What some gun nuts will make for a buck.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:55 PM

162. I'm sorry, but as someone who loves history that's kind of cool

I hope people will use it responsibly. I'm not really a gun guy but if I got one I would want something historical.

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