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Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:21 PM

Refugee shelter burnt down in Germany after dispute over Ramadan

Source: Independent UK

A refugee centre in Germany has been burnt down following a dispute among residents over Ramadan meals.

The blaze ripped through accommodation that was home to hundreds of asylum seekers on the site of Düsseldorf trade fair, causing around 130 people to be evacuated and leaving 24 suffering from smoke inhalation.

Footage showed flames rising hundreds of feet into the air, sending a huge column of black smoke into the sky. Authorities are now tearing down the burnt-out hall amid fears the structure was in danger of collapsing.

Ralf Herrenbrück, a senior public prosecutor in the city, said there had been disputes among Muslims living in the home over how to mark Ramadan before the fire broke out on Tuesday.



Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-shelter-burnt-down-in-germany-after-dispute-among-asylum-seekers-over-ramadan-meals-a7074831.html

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Reply Refugee shelter burnt down in Germany after dispute over Ramadan (Original post)
Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 OP
maxsolomon Jun 2016 #1
leftynyc Jun 2016 #2
smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #3
840high Jun 2016 #5
Nihil Jun 2016 #24
Demonaut Jun 2016 #4
840high Jun 2016 #6
leftynyc Jun 2016 #8
Demonaut Jun 2016 #9
DetlefK Jun 2016 #27
Nihil Jun 2016 #28
MariaThinks Jun 2016 #7
smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #10
MADem Jun 2016 #11
Jnclr89 Jun 2016 #12
christx30 Jun 2016 #13
EL34x4 Jun 2016 #15
Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #14
Angel Martin Jun 2016 #16
christx30 Jun 2016 #22
bdwker Jun 2016 #17
christx30 Jun 2016 #18
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #20
christx30 Jun 2016 #21
JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #23
Post removed Jun 2016 #19
Reter Jun 2016 #25
get the red out Jun 2016 #26

Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:25 PM

1. wow. good luck, germany

good luck, red cross. good luck, moderate muslims.

most of all, good luck, observant muslims - tolerance is a cornerstone of the west, and arson is an actual crime.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:40 PM

2. This is mind boggling

 

From one of the suspects:

One of the suspects told Express he and others started the fire out of frustration over living conditions, saying: “We want our rights, we want to live better.”

So naturally, burn down the place you've been given to live in by the country that opened its door to you. Splendid idea. Assholes.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:50 PM

3. What assholes!

They get everything for free without having to work for it and they still demand more! No gratitude whatsoever. If they don't like it they can go back to the hell-holes from where they came.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:33 PM

5. ...!100++++

 

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:20 AM

24. 100% correct.

 

I want selfish morons like that shipped straight back so that they don't screw up the
chances of the genuine refugees.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:58 PM

4. you have the right to leave Germany

send the ones who started the fire back to their countries

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:34 PM

6. We'll see what Merkel does.

 

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:55 PM

8. AFTER they've been tried

 

and if convicted, AFTER they serve their time. Then deport their asses.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:58 PM

9. that could take years but I guess they need to follow the law

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Response to Demonaut (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:51 AM

27. Germany legally can't send them back.

1. Some of those asylum-seekers just throw away their passports and lie about where they came from.

2. It's against the Geneva-conventions to send refugees back into warzones.

3. There is no bilaterall framework how such a deportation can be enforced and conducted. You cannot just dump those people at another country's airport.



IIRC Germany CAN decide to kick them out of the country unilaterally, but the process of such a banishment is complicated, lengthy and controversial. And as the other country wouldn't take them back, the refugees in question would end up in german jails indefinitely until an option to kick them out comes along.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:24 AM

28. It's time to change the law then.

 

As it stands at the moment, any migrant who gets into a European country
is being given a lifetime amnesty for any crimes that they might commit as,
unlike any visitor or legal immigrant who commits the same crime, they
*cannot* be deported, just released back into the general public to commit
their next crime whilst laughing at the helplessness of the "justice" system.

That means that the unfortunate host country is now paying for them for
the rest of their lives at the expense of their own citizens & law-abiding
foreign workers.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:45 PM

7. The heated discussions seems to be about behavior during Ramadan.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:32 PM

10. “We want our rights, we want to live better.”

Oh, so getting free room and board isn't better than living in a war-torn hell-hole? They expect to be handed everything and live like hard working Germans without the slightest bit of effort. No gratitude for the fact that they are in a safe haven and have a roof over their heads and food to eat. What a sickening sense of entitlement.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:58 PM

11. All the money they are spending feeding, housing, transporting, training,

providing welfare assistance, medical and dental care, etc., to these people would go ten times as far if it were spent building decent refugee TOWNS (not camps--towns, with schools, running water, buildings, streets, electricity, etc) for people on the land Jordan has already given over for these purposes.

When all is said and done, some might stay, Jordan would have a few more communities, and there wouldn't be such horrific cultural upheaval.

There are as many flavors of Islam as there are nations of Islam--for example, Muhamad Ali's funeral was totally "out of synch" with a funeral in a religious Saudi community. The man would have been buried days ago, within 24 hours of his passing. He wouldn't have been placed in that big wooden box, he would have been wrapped in unseamed fabric and placed in the ground.

There is no "one way." But when you get fundies going at it, they sometimes think their way is the only way.

Technically, these people are travelers, too, so they would be forgiven if their Ramadan observances were not all that strict. You do the best you can, and while a traveller, you can break fast. Also, if it is too difficult to fast or if you mess up, you are allowed to do a "make up day" at a later time (yes, really).

It's all so silly to fight over this shit. The religion is ISLAM, from sa'alaam--PEACE, fachrissake! (To mix a few metaphors...)

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:13 PM

12. It makes you wonder how bad things really are in Germany

 

These people are from a war ravaged area, and they then turn their new home into a fire pit? I'm guessing Germany must be treating them like total crap if they are setting fire to their new temporary homes.

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Response to Jnclr89 (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:19 PM

13. Or maybe it's just an unwarranted sense of

entitlement. If they aren't happy in Germany, they can always go back to the warzone. No one is going to stop them. Make room for people that would be grateful for all of the help they are getting.

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Response to Jnclr89 (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:11 AM

15. That they aren't being slaughtered wholesale

 

tells me that at the very least, Germans are treating them better than their previous neighbors did.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:09 AM

14. Arson by INHABITANTS? I thought this was going to be about an outside attack.

Floored. Just floored.

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:15 AM

16. what a mess !

"Police said several of the men had been living in the accommodation under false names and having given false birth dates and countries of origin. A 36-member investigation body has been assigned to the case."

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Response to Angel Martin (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:30 PM

22. They get better consideration if they say they're from

Syria, or other really bad hotspots. Better chance of staying. Personally, if I were in charge, I wouldn't look too deeply into it. You lie, and say you're from Syria (even if you were from Somalia), and you commit a crime, I'm going to send you back to Syria.
Say... how does Syria treat undocumented immigrants?

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 08:57 AM

17. Hey...lets send them here.

 

What could possibly go wrong ?

Nice job Angela.

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Response to bdwker (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:22 AM

18. The difference is

The US is only letting in women, children, and families after a bunch of ridiculously good vetting. Germany threw open the gates and said "Come on in!!"
That is why Germany is getting all the crime, the arson, etc. You don't hear about this car thing happening in the US.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:14 PM

20. Most of Europe opened the gates, and there are no barriers between countries.

Only Great Britain has a sort of natural barrier, and it is constantly tested at the chunnel entrance.

Europe, in its humanity, allowed the migrants to land, even plucked them out of the Med to keep them from drowning. Now reaping the reward.

The US has a much larger body of water to cross, so we are more isolated from the Arab World.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:26 PM

21. I meant the gates from a metaphorical standpoint. n/t

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Response to christx30 (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:52 PM

23. Europe's gates are geographical and cultural.

Europe is close to the Arab world. And, the Europeans seem to be more willing to pluck drowning people from the Med. The Mediterranean seems small, until your boat capsizes, then it's vast.

Are the navies of Libya, Egypt, Turkey saving many refugees?

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:38 AM

25. Send them back

 

Since they broke the law, can't they be deported?

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:26 AM

26. Very sad

Live and let live would go a long way with people.

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