Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:08 PM
youceyec (394 posts)
Poll: Clinton up 10 points among likely California voters
Source: CNN
A new California poll finds Hillary Clinton leading Bernie Sanders by 10 points among likely voters ahead of the state's primary next week, a sharp difference from other recent polls in the state. Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/california-tight-poll-democratic-race/ This is a brand new poll. Of course biased media says sanders in lead by 1. Likely voters more accurate than just polling all dems.
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youceyec | Jun 2016 | OP |
pnwmom | Jun 2016 | #1 | |
SunSeeker | Jun 2016 | #12 | |
Chasstev365 | Jun 2016 | #2 | |
TM99 | Jun 2016 | #3 | |
TwilightZone | Jun 2016 | #4 | |
George II | Jun 2016 | #8 | |
Doctor Jack | Jun 2016 | #10 | |
puffy socks | Jun 2016 | #59 | |
AntiBank | Jun 2016 | #27 | |
JDPriestly | Jun 2016 | #31 | |
AtomicKitten | Jun 2016 | #5 | |
Ellipsis | Jun 2016 | #45 | |
Jesus Malverde | Jun 2016 | #6 | |
TM99 | Jun 2016 | #11 | |
Pharaoh | Jun 2016 | #43 | |
Wibly | Jun 2016 | #7 | |
hopemountain | Jun 2016 | #29 | |
SunSeeker | Jun 2016 | #9 | |
LiberalElite | Jun 2016 | #13 | |
romanic | Jun 2016 | #14 | |
LibDemAlways | Jun 2016 | #15 | |
pnwmom | Jun 2016 | #17 | |
DonRedwood | Jun 2016 | #21 | |
Omaha Steve | Jun 2016 | #24 | |
pnwmom | Jun 2016 | #25 | |
Omaha Steve | Jun 2016 | #26 | |
pnwmom | Jun 2016 | #28 | |
Omaha Steve | Jun 2016 | #36 | |
Laser102 | Jun 2016 | #38 | |
Omaha Steve | Jun 2016 | #39 | |
MFM008 | Jun 2016 | #52 | |
Omaha Steve | Jun 2016 | #54 | |
LoverOfLiberty | Jun 2016 | #44 | |
wisteria | Jun 2016 | #18 | |
stopbush | Jun 2016 | #34 | |
StevieM | Jun 2016 | #35 | |
indivisibleman | Jun 2016 | #16 | |
DonRedwood | Jun 2016 | #22 | |
indivisibleman | Jun 2016 | #50 | |
McKim | Jun 2016 | #19 | |
hopemountain | Jun 2016 | #30 | |
catchnrelease | Jun 2016 | #20 | |
Cassiopeia | Jun 2016 | #23 | |
Gene Debs | Jun 2016 | #32 | |
azurnoir | Jun 2016 | #33 | |
dorkzilla | Jun 2016 | #40 | |
SansACause | Jun 2016 | #37 | |
HeartoftheMidwest | Jun 2016 | #41 | |
youceyec | Jun 2016 | #63 | |
HeartoftheMidwest | Jun 2016 | #64 | |
youceyec | Jun 2016 | #65 | |
HeartoftheMidwest | Jun 2016 | #66 | |
Cryptoad | Jun 2016 | #42 | |
MFM008 | Jun 2016 | #53 | |
CountAllVotes | Jun 2016 | #46 | |
RoccoR5955 | Jun 2016 | #47 | |
Lil Missy | Jun 2016 | #55 | |
RoccoR5955 | Jun 2016 | #56 | |
Lil Missy | Jun 2016 | #57 | |
itsrobert | Jun 2016 | #48 | |
grossproffit | Jun 2016 | #49 | |
BigDemVoter | Jun 2016 | #51 | |
joeybee12 | Jun 2016 | #58 | |
sarcasmo | Jun 2016 | #60 | |
Norman Conch Quest | Jun 2016 | #61 | |
Odin2005 | Jun 2016 | #62 | |
Bubry | Jun 2016 | #67 | |
Codeine | Jun 2016 | #68 |
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:10 PM
pnwmom (108,360 posts)
1. Turnout will be key. And how many of the non-affiliateds vote, and how many
who think they are "independents" are actually registered to the American Independent Party and not eligible to vote in the Democratic.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:33 PM
SunSeeker (50,367 posts)
12. I know a guy like that. He got his mail ballot and it says he's registered AIP.
He said he signed up that way decades ago because he liked the name and didn't want to sign up as a Republican or a Democrat. I told him AIP is a wack job anti-abortion party. He had no idea. But he didn't seem to care; said he never votes in primaries and did not send in his ballot.
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:12 PM
Chasstev365 (5,191 posts)
2. She will eek out a win, but it will be close!
Response to youceyec (Original post)
TM99 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to TM99 (Reply #3)
TwilightZone This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to TM99 (Reply #3)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:27 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
8. Outlier? There have been a couple of polls in the last two weeks showing her up ~18 points.
Response to George II (Reply #8)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:29 PM
Doctor Jack (3,072 posts)
10. Berniemath says that 1 in 5 is a majority
If one poll shows a time out of five that one is correct. The other 4 are due to the FUCKING NEOLIBERAL DLC MAINSTREAM MEDIA BLACKING HIM OUT!!!!
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Response to George II (Reply #8)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:07 AM
AntiBank (1,339 posts)
27. too bad both of those were from Encino and Sherman Oaks middle schools
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Response to George II (Reply #8)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:29 AM
JDPriestly (57,936 posts)
31. She won 65% in 2008. In my neighborhood everyone is for Bernie.
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:22 PM
AtomicKitten (46,585 posts)
5. There are a shit-ton of new voters not included in that poll. Just sayin'.
Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #5)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:18 PM
Ellipsis (9,074 posts)
45. I saw 845,000+ ...and that was still a week before the deadline to register
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:26 PM
Jesus Malverde (10,274 posts)
6. They are going to discourage the working voters who vote in the last three hours
Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #6)
TM99 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Response to TM99 (Reply #11)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:52 AM
Pharaoh (8,209 posts)
43. yup
and it won't be over till the superdelegates vote at the convention because she will not have enough pledged delegates! Fucking media pisses me off to no end.
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:27 PM
Wibly (612 posts)
7. Poll missing vital info
I think there is probably a very good reason why they are not publishing the method of the poll, or the numbers of people polled.
Wonder what that could be. |
Response to Wibly (Reply #7)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:15 AM
hopemountain (3,919 posts)
29. maybe same pollster predicitng romney was
far, far ahead of president obama.
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:42 PM
LiberalElite (14,691 posts)
13. Keep telling yourself that. nt
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:47 PM
romanic (2,841 posts)
14. It must be that magic.
And by magic I mean bias and trickery.
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:56 PM
LibDemAlways (15,139 posts)
15. Bernie will win California. This poll is Bullshit.
Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #15)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:09 AM
pnwmom (108,360 posts)
17. It doesn't matter who wins CA. Bernie won't win the majority of pledged delegates
because to do that he'd have to win 67% of all remaining pledged delegates -- and he's only achieved that percent in one state primary: Vermont's.
All of his "big" wins were in white caucus states that don't resemble CA at all. As it is, the AP is very likely to announce that he has a majority of all delegates, pledged and superdelegates, after the voting ends in N.J. -- because Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands will have already voted and he only needs 71 votes to reach the total needed. This has been how the AP has called elections since superdelegates were created, in 1984. |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:38 AM
DonRedwood (4,359 posts)
21. :0)
I've been enjoying your responses on a lot of posts lately!
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:59 AM
Omaha Steve (95,801 posts)
24. OOPS!
I wonder why Hillary cancelled NJ rallies to go to CA since it will be over after NJ according everybody Hillary. ![]() |
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:01 AM
pnwmom (108,360 posts)
25. It's a more productive use of her limited time. n/t
Response to pnwmom (Reply #25)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:03 AM
Omaha Steve (95,801 posts)
26. Productive when she is in GE mode to run to a state that doesn't matter?
That makes good sense. ![]() |
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #26)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:09 AM
pnwmom (108,360 posts)
28. She has already started running for the General, so it matters for that.
But the outcome won't change the primary result.
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Response to pnwmom (Reply #28)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:29 AM
Omaha Steve (95,801 posts)
36. CA is a blue state no matter what candidate gets the nomination
Her actions show her it is over isn't what her team thinks. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #26)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:42 AM
Laser102 (816 posts)
38. She can do both. Walk and chew gum.
Response to Laser102 (Reply #38)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:18 AM
Omaha Steve (95,801 posts)
39. Clearly she is worried about CA & the supers flipping effect
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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #39)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:58 PM
MFM008 (19,726 posts)
52. Sigh
Super delegates are not going to flip.
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Response to MFM008 (Reply #52)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:07 PM
Omaha Steve (95,801 posts)
54. Those that are elected in states Bernie won are deciding to stay home from the convention
Brad Ashford isn't the only one that endorsed her last year and decided to stay home. ![]() She loses CA, she has a problem for several reasons. Sigh. |
Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:50 AM
LoverOfLiberty (1,438 posts)
44. Why, to irritate Berners n/t
Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #15)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:12 AM
wisteria (19,581 posts)
18. And whay if he does?
I doubt he will, but even if he wins, he will not be the nominee.
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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #15)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:03 AM
stopbush (24,254 posts)
34. Hillary will win by at least 7 points.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's a double digit win.
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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #15)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:12 AM
StevieM (10,481 posts)
35. Given the demographics of the state I expect a win for Hillary Clinton.
We will know in five days.
I think it is silly to call a poll bullsh*t just because it projects a victory for one candidate or another. |
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:07 AM
indivisibleman (482 posts)
16. how sad.
I guess this country will get what they deserve.
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Response to indivisibleman (Reply #16)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:39 AM
DonRedwood (4,359 posts)
22. agreed! they will get the person who got the most votes.
one of the best parts about democracy!
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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:42 PM
indivisibleman (482 posts)
50. Primaries are hardly democratic. n/t
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:25 AM
McKim (2,393 posts)
19. They said the same about Oregon
They said the same thing about Oregon, but Sanders won. Maybe this is a voter discouraging strategy.
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Response to McKim (Reply #19)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:16 AM
hopemountain (3,919 posts)
30. ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner nt
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:36 AM
catchnrelease (1,905 posts)
20. So confusing!
This afternoon on NPR they said that two new polls out this week had Clinton up by only 2 points, within the margin of error. Unfortunately I didn't hear who did those polls, if they said.
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:52 AM
Cassiopeia (2,603 posts)
23. Want some salt?
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:31 AM
Gene Debs (582 posts)
32. Any day now a poll will come out showing Clinton winning California by 128%.
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:38 AM
azurnoir (45,850 posts)
33. this is CNN who brought us sky's darkened with chairs in NV they they spun a poll where Hillary lost
Take note of questions 21,22, and 30 inparticular
https://gqrr.app.box.com/s/xcuxiz76cj9ff0a5v4a1ruwo9gl0u566 |
Response to azurnoir (Reply #33)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:27 AM
dorkzilla (5,141 posts)
40. VERY interesting!
Thanks for sharing!
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:41 AM
SansACause (520 posts)
37. She'll win the nomination before CA is called.
New Jersey closes hours before CA, so she'll go over the delegate count needed to be the nominee then. CA would be nice to win, but mostly irrelevant at that point.
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Response to SansACause (Reply #37)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:25 AM
HeartoftheMidwest (309 posts)
41. Nothing is decided until the convention.
The haste with which Clinton is being coronated is a Karl Rove strategy: declare the victory in advance of the actual clear count, then pound that message home through all media outlets that will take the bait ( or that you own outright. ) Get some of your top political supporters to keep repeating the message too, til people begin to believe it.
There are still states that need to vote, and most independent, non-partisan projections show neither candidate will have enough delegates to win outright. So please stop trying to shorten the process ( I sympathize; it's been painful ) and stop disregarding the rights and votes of Americans who have yet to vote. |
Response to HeartoftheMidwest (Reply #41)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:57 AM
youceyec (394 posts)
63. Was Obama using Rove strategy in 08?
No. He was declared nominee by media as soon he hit total delegate count. Same thing will happen now.
But among BS supporters and some others, Hillary should be subject to different rules, of course. Not to mention Hillary is way more ahead than Obama was when he clinched. Why the double standard? Sexism. Sorry if that makes you upset. You all likely aren't even aware of it. All other objective reasons would point to there being no controversy about her being nominee. |
Response to youceyec (Reply #63)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:00 PM
HeartoftheMidwest (309 posts)
64. That's rich.
Thanks for mansplainin' that to me.
I was told in sixth grade I couldn't take shop, cause that's only for boys. I HAD to take Home Ec. I was told in seventh grade not to sign up for Algebra, cause I wasn't gonna need it; but all the boys got to sign up for it. Take typing, they said, cause you'll need that if you ever get a job. I was told in high school that even though I found Physics enchanting, I couldn't take it...cause I didn't have the math requirement for it. And it was really a subject for boys anyway. Sexism? Yay, gender card!!! You know why the delegate count matters now? Because it's gracious and RIGHT and proper to allow everyone to finish casting their votes before you announce. If I lived in any of the states and territories that had yet to vote or caucus, I'd take that as a GIANT middle finger from the Democratic Party. EVEN after a member of the DNC said there would be no superdelegates included in the total until at least July 25th. So you know what I'm doing this afternoon, after 40 years of being a loyal and true member of the Democratic party since 1976? I'm going to change my party affiliation to Independent, here in lovely Madison, Wisconsin. And from this day forward, F**K the Democratic party. ( Still going to Fighting Bob Fest, at Breese Stevens, though! ) Oh, and to head off the inevitable, "Hillary needs to pivot to the General Election" nonsense; she needs to prepare to fight Trump like she'd need to prepare to fight Kim Kardashian. Trump's gonna implode under his own hubris, in short order. |
Response to HeartoftheMidwest (Reply #64)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:15 PM
youceyec (394 posts)
65. again
why should everything be different for Hillary? Media called Obama nominee once he had the delegates. You want media to treat the first woman nominee differently. Why?
So relax and don't do stupid stuff. |
Response to youceyec (Reply #65)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
HeartoftheMidwest (309 posts)
66. Not doing anything stupid.
Just watching the true colors of "my party" over the last few election cycles, and it's all there for the observant to see: the Democratic party is the "Blue Republican" party now. The only difference between the parties now is that most of the religious crazies are on the Republican side. My view is more nuanced than that. There are GOOD people in the Democratic party, and they're worth fighting for, and worth supporting with sweat and with dollars, but they're fewer and farther between more than ever.
And while the Repubs are hell-bent on destroying everything in their path, too many Dems are just sitting back and watching it happen. |
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:37 AM
Cryptoad (8,254 posts)
42. Sweetest part is,,,
CA dont matter,,, HRC45 will clinch teh nomination in NJ before the poll s close in CA!
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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #42)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:00 PM
MFM008 (19,726 posts)
53. The AP will call this
As soon as they can.
They called Trump They will call Clinton Berners. will remain annoyed. |
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:40 PM
CountAllVotes (20,692 posts)
46. CNN = Clinton News Network
Expect nothing but the truth!
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 05:41 PM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
47. That's right, and the mainstream media will make sure that she wins
by announcing that she is the winner at 8pm Eastern time, thus suppressing the vote.
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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #47)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:28 PM
Lil Missy (17,865 posts)
55. And it wouldn't matter - since it will already be clear that she won.
Otherwise it would be "too close to call" or "too early to call". If they say "Hillary won CA", then it means she has the majority of votes.
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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #55)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:03 AM
RoccoR5955 (12,471 posts)
56. Only problem is that the polls will not have been closed
and THAT suppresses the vote. People feel that their vote will not count in CA, and will not show up to vote.
This is just WRONG! For either candidate it is WRONG! |
Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #56)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 10:06 AM
Lil Missy (17,865 posts)
57. I see what you mean.
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:35 PM
itsrobert (14,157 posts)
48. Bump
Someone posted this poll as new. Visibility for the whole truth.
Hillary leads by 10 pts in likely voters. |
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 09:47 PM
BigDemVoter (4,130 posts)
51. We'll see. I already voted.
Response to youceyec (Original post)
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:01 PM
joeybee12 (56,177 posts)
58. Get your Bernie Bench Warmer Sanders excuses here!
I'm really trying to figure out what lies his campaign will tell when he loses California...he's pretty much thrown everything out there thus far...none of it worth any merit, but hey, it keeps those donations coming in.
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:20 PM
Norman Conch Quest (64 posts)
61. IBL
Whew, that was close!
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Response to youceyec (Original post)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:24 PM
Odin2005 (53,521 posts)
62. "Likely voters" = "This poll is bullshit"
Response to Odin2005 (Reply #62)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:40 AM
Bubry (8 posts)
67. Looks like it will be the most accurate poll
Of all.
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