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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:50 PM May 2016

The superbug that doctors have been dreading just reached the U.S.

Source: Washington Post

May 26 at 2:27 PM

For the first time, researchers have found a person in the United States carrying a bacteria resistant to antibiotics of last resort, an alarming development that the top U.S. public health official says could mean "the end of the road" for antibiotics.

The antibiotic-resistant strain was found last month in the urine of a 49-year-old Pennsylvania woman. Department of Defense researchers determined that carried a strain of E. coli resistant to the antibiotic colistin, according to a study published Thursday in Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, a publication of the American Society for Microbiology. The authors wrote that the discovery "heralds the emergence of a truly pan-drug resistant bacteria."

Colistin is the antibiotic of last resort for particularly dangerous types of superbugs, including a family of bacteria known as CRE, which health officials have dubbed "nightmare bacteria." In some instances, these superbugs kill up to 50 percent of patients who become infected. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has called CRE among the country's most urgent public health threats.

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“It basically shows us that the end of the road isn’t very far away for antibiotics -- that we may be in a situation where we have patients in our intensive-care units, or patients getting urinary tract infections for which we do not have antibiotics,” CDC Director Tom Frieden in an interview Thursday.




Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/26/the-superbug-that-doctors-have-been-dreading-just-reached-the-u-s/

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The superbug that doctors have been dreading just reached the U.S. (Original Post) inanna May 2016 OP
Shit Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
k and r. riversedge May 2016 #2
KnR Hekate May 2016 #3
It is Obama's fault tonyt53 May 2016 #4
Did you forget your sarcasm smiley? If not, please justify this statement. Hekate May 2016 #5
Surely that must have been sarcastic. byronius May 2016 #9
I'm sure the poster is not FrodosPet May 2016 #17
The GOP cancelled 1.5 billion in NIH research Hortensis May 2016 #55
well he was bribed WhiteTara May 2016 #18
Bush's actually philosslayer May 2016 #23
I thought it was Bernie's fault myself. RoccoR5955 May 2016 #38
Its ALL our fault for continuing to use antibiotics when they're not needed. 7962 May 2016 #44
Exactly. bvar22 May 2016 #47
Amen to that Mbrow May 2016 #49
Actually we can thank the livestock industry. Doremus May 2016 #51
Glad you said it. People think it's because parents and doctors overuse antibiotics but it's NOT fasttense May 2016 #99
Yet we don't dare giving up eating, and financially supporting, industrialized meat "production!" villager May 2016 #56
No, not in this case. Hortensis May 2016 #57
What do you mean? glinda May 2016 #77
I mean "overuse" in the way it's usually meant Hortensis May 2016 #97
Thanks. Very informative. glinda May 2016 #104
+1 nitpicker May 2016 #95
It's just a matter of time. nt bemildred May 2016 #6
Second that emotion. leveymg May 2016 #7
k&r Little Star May 2016 #8
Benghazi!! Jack Bone May 2016 #10
What did people EXPECT would happen? vkkv May 2016 #11
We build nuclear power plants on earthquake fault lines. closeupready May 2016 #14
And we're damn good at it too MynameisBlarney May 2016 #20
But rich people get richer from it, and clearly that's the only thing that matters. nt valerief May 2016 #42
Even more than their own offspring. cui bono May 2016 #106
Cuz they have no empathy. They're sociopaths and some are psychopaths. nt valerief May 2016 #112
article seems to suggest it is from China 6chars May 2016 #25
It doesn't matter, the mechanism is the same all over... NT vkkv May 2016 #27
antiboitics in china are over the counter - n/t Locrian May 2016 #46
They overuse antibiotics for people a lot more too. LeftyMom May 2016 #68
Don't we ship OUR chickens over there to be slaughtered in order to glinda May 2016 #78
No. Tyson Foods and others cheapdate May 2016 #90
I can just imagine. Thanks for the clear up on this. glinda May 2016 #91
I almost took a job at one of their facilities in 2007 Victor_c3 May 2016 #102
AND antibiotics can be bought OTC.... paleotn May 2016 #71
ruh roh K & R n/t w0nderer May 2016 #12
Is there any good news out there today? Anybody? YOHABLO May 2016 #13
Today is my niece's birthday FrodosPet May 2016 #19
I dropped 2 more pounds... That's 71 in the past year. kcass1954 May 2016 #61
Saw wheat! FrodosPet May 2016 #62
it's Frankie Manning's birthday! Javaman May 2016 #22
My 23year old granddaughter is drinking a pint of Guinness in Dublin as we speak. Laser102 May 2016 #41
Saw a hummingbird. sulphurdunn May 2016 #67
Yes. My dog had an untreatable super-bug (E-coli family) and was glinda May 2016 #79
That could not possibly make any less sense LeftyMom May 2016 #85
What do you mean? glinda May 2016 #86
Oh ffs. LeftyMom May 2016 #87
You misunderstood my post. glinda May 2016 #88
do you talk to people you don't know in the real world like that? lakeguy May 2016 #94
See: snappyturtle May 2016 #111
Bullshit Odin2005 May 2016 #118
The sun came up this morning? As predicted? Other than that, good luck looking. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #96
Laurie Garrett's 'The Coming Plague' is a must-read for this issue. byronius May 2016 #15
Thank you very much for this info.... inanna May 2016 #16
Oh, yes. Fantastic book. SheilaT May 2016 #32
This is not good. deathrind May 2016 #21
Beware of doctors who will make small of your pain. Baitball Blogger May 2016 #24
Calling Stephen King ... Cap'n Tripps on line 1 ... Myrina May 2016 #26
We have a winner! Newkularblue May 2016 #36
... Zorra May 2016 #43
Glad I'm retired, this bug is scary. Warpy May 2016 #28
Interesting, thanks, Warpy. In spite of the silly image I got Hortensis May 2016 #59
Thanks a lot Warpy May 2016 #64
Can hospitals even afford these for the most part? glinda May 2016 #81
I shared an elevator with one..of those xenex undergroundpanther May 2016 #89
WOW! What state do you live in???? glinda May 2016 #92
maryland it undergroundpanther May 2016 #116
Little rural hospitals, probably not Warpy May 2016 #93
very cool glinda May 2016 #105
nature's all purpose antibiotic n/t paleotn May 2016 #72
good to know glinda May 2016 #80
Still, no one thinks he can beat Mrs.Clinton, eh? n/t jtuck004 May 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Turbineguy May 2016 #30
Lovely...And we still insist on pumping our livestock full of Antibiotics .... blackspade May 2016 #31
That's only part of it elljay May 2016 #39
It is the major part of it. blackspade May 2016 #53
Inexpensive Powerful Antbiotics can be bought over-the-counter at any Farmers Co-Op, bvar22 May 2016 #103
Exactly. blackspade May 2016 #107
lets see E.coli generally food borne? dembotoz May 2016 #33
And stay away from unvaccinated people. GoneOffShore May 2016 #37
Either that, bvar22 May 2016 #114
Cranberry pills every day and lots of water are good for urinary tract infections. JDPriestly May 2016 #34
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #35
I grew up in the duck-and-cover era, SusanCalvin May 2016 #40
After reading The Coming Plague years ago DebbieCDC May 2016 #45
It doesn't matter what you do. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #74
Superbugs, Climate Change, famine and plenty of assault weapons. Oh, goody! Auggie May 2016 #48
Colloidal silver... NorthCarolina May 2016 #50
Stop telling people nonsense MattBaggins May 2016 #54
Because being blue is an awesome look. Ruby the Liberal May 2016 #63
( ._.) Marty McGraw May 2016 #76
Actually nature's antibiotics are well, antibiotics. We just figure out how to make reliable dosages LeftyMom May 2016 #69
Pig Pharma is trying to shut down Compounding Pharmacies btw. glinda May 2016 #83
Oh ffs. LeftyMom May 2016 #84
"Supportive" can be translated as skepticscott May 2016 #110
Hysterical conspiracy nonsense. Odin2005 May 2016 #119
I haven't been sick in 15 years Avalon Sparks May 2016 #115
Me too. NorthCarolina May 2016 #121
More like bullshit woo-woo that makes your skin blue. Odin2005 May 2016 #120
Thanks meat industry. Doremus May 2016 #52
Meh. Something's gotta take ya. roamer65 May 2016 #58
put down that anti-biotic spray NOW. make friends w/ the good ones. pansypoo53219 May 2016 #60
This may be natures way of reducing the population and slowing climate change. Humans rhett o rick May 2016 #65
Apex predators do not last long. Stonepounder May 2016 #66
Captain Trips Bayard May 2016 #70
No, this isn’t the start of the antibiotic apocalypse, just bad reporting HuskyOffset May 2016 #73
Cool site! flying rabbit May 2016 #82
Sensationalist horseshit... EvolveOrConvolve May 2016 #75
Another reason the Republicans war on science funding is going to kill all of us. redstatebluegirl May 2016 #98
Hardly surprising n/t ffr May 2016 #100
Probably isn't enough, though, if the bacteria is elsewhere...:( Tikki May 2016 #101
Alarmist title is misleading folks. It is not a super bug. yellowcanine May 2016 #108
Media over-reaction? ibeplato May 2016 #109
Big Pharma has been a Big Phailure! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #113
I was in the hospital for a staph infection a month ago... Odin2005 May 2016 #117

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
17. I'm sure the poster is not
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:17 PM
May 2016

But NEVER underestimate the ignorance of the America people. Millions of Trump supporters stand ready to show you are wrong.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. The GOP cancelled 1.5 billion in NIH research
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

grants at the time of the "sequester," on top of many other previous cutbacks, forcing the abandonment in many cases of lines of research that simply could not be stopped and restarted later. All in the name of cutting government waste.

Sometimes I want to bash people over the head with the mirrors they refuse to look into when they start complaining about how stupid and incompetent the government is and that it only serves the wealthy.

On the plus side for most of us, those most at risk are typically chronically ill and in and out of hospitals where it spreads via mechanical ventilation and other things healthy people are typically not exposed to.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
44. Its ALL our fault for continuing to use antibiotics when they're not needed.
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:15 PM
May 2016

I have relatives who will take some thats been in the cabinet for a year if they sneeze 3 times. They dont listen when you tell them it could hurt them down the road

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
47. Exactly.
Thu May 26, 2016, 06:01 PM
May 2016

Overuse of antibiotics is what CREATED the Super Bugs.
Even if you don't use them yourself, you are exposed to antibiotics through drinking water and meat products from incredibly filthy and germ laden Factory Farms.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
99. Glad you said it. People think it's because parents and doctors overuse antibiotics but it's NOT
Fri May 27, 2016, 11:10 AM
May 2016

As a sheep farmer, I raise sheep without antibiotics, hormones or other chemicals on grass, with no Feedlots. And guess what? They all live and reach a good slaughtering age and weight with a delicious flavor. No problems. I've done this with a few head of cattle and free range chickens too.

Yes, 2 of my sheep had to be given antibiotics for major injuries (that's about 2% of my flock). But I used them as breeders and not for food.

So it's really not that hard to raise animals for slaughter without giving them antibiotics. What the cattle, pork and chicken industries do is confine their animals, feed them unnatural foods and chemicals to stimulate rapid growth. This creates the perfect environment for illnesses and injuries. So, they give them antibiotics to keep them from getting ill. They also give them antibiotics to speed up their growth rate. it seems you can get a 10% increase in weight of an animal if you continually feed it low levels of antibiotics.

But you get perfectly acceptable size without that constant feeding of antibiotics. And I believe the flavor is much richer. So instead of feeding them antibiotics, you could just raise 10 extra sheep for every 100 sheep and you would get that extra 10% anyway. Continual dosing of antibiotics for livestock is a crutch for lazy farmers.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
56. Yet we don't dare giving up eating, and financially supporting, industrialized meat "production!"
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

In fact, if someone suggests that maybe we should, we "progressives" can make a bunch of snarky comments in reply...!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
97. I mean "overuse" in the way it's usually meant
Fri May 27, 2016, 07:49 AM
May 2016

in this case for this group of people. Use of carbapenem antibiotics against Enterobacteriaceae infections of chronically ill and immunocompromised people in hospitals and care facilities did lead to development of the CREs. However, what were they supposed to do? Not treat them?

Usually when we speak of overuse of antibiotics we're talking about prescriptions passed out irresponsibly whenever someone got a sore throat. And, yes, of course most of these are the very antibiotics most overused in the general population, but, from what I've read, that use didn't bring us all the way to this point. They were mostly refined to their current severely dangerous forms in hospitals by treatment with antibiotics of people who were already seriously ill from other conditions, and by failure of the hospitals to keep infections from spreading through proper hygiene, developing these deadly cycles of evolution.

As it is, most of us are pretty safe from them so far. Most of these deadly infections are contracted in hospitals by people already in frail condition.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
11. What did people EXPECT would happen?
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

By feeding anti-biotics to OUR ANIMAL MEAT FOOD we are creating the very scenario we should be trying to avoid.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
68. They overuse antibiotics for people a lot more too.
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:31 PM
May 2016

There's a cultural expectation that if you're sick you'll go to the doctor and get an injection. Vitamins, antibiotics, something, the doctor just needs to show an effort to make you better. Until the early 2000s you couldn't even count on getting a clean needle in a lot of places, so people would go get a useless shot to treat a cold and wind up with hepatitis.

Edit: Found the article I read about this fifteen years ago! What did we ever do without the internet?
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/20/international/asia/20CHIN.html?pagewanted=all

glinda

(14,807 posts)
78. Don't we ship OUR chickens over there to be slaughtered in order to
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:24 AM
May 2016

pour money into the fossil fuel industry for all of the transport?

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
90. No. Tyson Foods and others
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:39 AM
May 2016

have chicken plants scattered all over the country. There's one near here in Shelbyville, TN. By all accounts it's a horrible place to work.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
102. I almost took a job at one of their facilities in 2007
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

They were going to give me a starting salary of $87,000 while the rest of the companies I interviewed with offered me around $65,000. I thought about it until I came to the realization that there was probably a reason they were going to pay me so much - it must be a really shitty job. Needless to say I took a job working for Amazon.com - which still sucked but I'm sure it beat working in a slaughterhouse.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
19. Today is my niece's birthday
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:21 PM
May 2016

The sweet little lady turns 5 today!

Now we gotta figure out how to NOT fuck up this planet through warfare, environmental damage, and theocracy, so she and all the other children around the world have a chance to live full lives.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
79. Yes. My dog had an untreatable super-bug (E-coli family) and was
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:28 AM
May 2016

sick for over a year with pneumonia at one point. I doused him with organic Oregano oil in coconut oil orally and it may have cured it. All the antibiotics he was on failed him. it became a superbug. He is old and still recovering but a far cry for where he used to be.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
86. What do you mean?
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:56 AM
May 2016

He was a very bad shape and hundreds of dollars of tests and treatments failed him. It was a very dramatic change for the better as we were out of options. He eats well and coughs tons less and no longer has blood in his urine at all.
Learned about it because they are testing it on chicken farms that have had drug resistant E-coli and it has been effective so far.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
87. Oh ffs.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:01 AM
May 2016

Your dog did not have pneumonia for a year. If he did he'd have died. If he was that sick for a year and you didn't put him down you're a terrible dog owner.

If you don't know if your dog has pneumonia or not ("he coughs less" is not a chest x ray) you need to take him to the vet.

Coconut oil and oregano oil aren't medicine. Essential oils aren't even safe to take orally. Giving a dog a ton of fat (like coconut oil) is a good way to give him pancreatitis.

Dogs are not chickens. Chicken farms only need to keep broilers alive and growing for six weeks and they can't sell chickens they give actual medicine. Do better by your dog.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
88. You misunderstood my post.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:12 AM
May 2016

He only had pneumonia for a short time not the whole year. Most Vets are not able to properly diagnose pneumonia in dogs btw. They just guess.
You are being nasty actually. I care immensely for my pets and have had the highest recommendations from the top Vet in the State. I do take deepest offense to your attack and accusations because my pets are my children and I care more for them than you know. I also find offensive terms like "put him down". I do not allow animals to suffer and he is happy, attentive and eats well for a 15 year old Springer who is handicapped also.
I know how to use the oil and how long in order to not damage him also.
You need not reply to my posts any more since I found your comments hurtful. You do not know how much I have done for animals and you do not know me. I have helped over 100 animals and raised money for a shelter when did not know how to. I have devoted my life to animals and the environment. You are aggressively responding and rude. I saved his life.

byronius

(7,369 posts)
15. Laurie Garrett's 'The Coming Plague' is a must-read for this issue.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:09 PM
May 2016

Very powerful book on this very subject.

We're at war and we don't even realize it. Microbes in the average human body outnumber the human cells, and they're quite good at genetic surgery when they feel inclined.

Too bad we don't fund science like we fund the military, hey? Priorities.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
32. Oh, yes. Fantastic book.
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:13 PM
May 2016

If I were dictator of North America that would absolutely be one of the books I'd require everyone to read. And discuss. And pass a quiz on. No Cliff Notes allowed.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
28. Glad I'm retired, this bug is scary.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

Once they figure out how to deliver UV light into the urinary tract without damaging the tissue, quite possibly with a nano pump circulating fluid around a shielded UV light source, they'll be able to fight this one effectively. Even light tolerant e coli are eventually killed by enough UV exposure, one reason this species has been used so extensively in research: a mad scientist who tried to release a super pathogenic e coli onto a salad bar would only kill it quickly under the strong lighting.

Sadly, this is the first of many superbugs. Antibiotics will continue to be useful in many infections but their usefulness will decrease over time. Either we need to use specific strategies on specific bugs, or we'll be back to the bad old times of waves of different plagues sweeping across humanity. E coli is very vulnerable to UV light, all we need is some whiz kid with an NIH grant to invent the gadget.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
59. Interesting, thanks, Warpy. In spite of the silly image I got
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

of climbing on my potting table under the grow lights hoping some would transilluminate, I take it that wouldn't work. As long as it goes away and doesn't return as a really stupid dream.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
64. Thanks a lot
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

Now I need brain bleach, too.

Strong UV light kills most bacteria. The problem is that it has to be strong enough to damage healthy tissue, also. That's why we need the whiz kid with the NIH grant to invent the appropriate gadget.

In the meantime, I hope that hospital has one of these:

undergroundpanther

(11,925 posts)
89. I shared an elevator with one..of those xenex
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:27 AM
May 2016

Bots and the human escorts that were teaching it the
Hospital layout. It says hello and to not touch it.and that its a germicidal robot.it can see you.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
92. WOW! What state do you live in????
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:46 AM
May 2016

I have seen nothing like this in MN. Maybe they have such things in Rochester at Mayo but not most Hospitals here.

Warpy

(110,913 posts)
93. Little rural hospitals, probably not
Fri May 27, 2016, 03:32 AM
May 2016

Big city hospitals have them, it's a way to keep housekeeping staff cut to the bone instead of hiring enough to sterilize a room after a patient with a superbug has been discharged.

There are competing models that aren't nearly this fancy. As antibiotics continue to be less useful, I think all medical facilities will eventually use a variation of them.

Response to inanna (Original post)

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
31. Lovely...And we still insist on pumping our livestock full of Antibiotics ....
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

Which is why we are in this mess to begin with....

elljay

(1,178 posts)
39. That's only part of it
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

The rest of it comes from people who insist on antibiotics when they have colds and the doctors who prescribe them to shut them up, doctors who automatically prescribe them to patients rather than figure out what may be wrong, and people who do not finish their doses. The latter is particularly common with addicts, prisoners, homeless and poor people who require (but don't get) support services to make sure they take all their medication. His crisis has been brewing for decades.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
103. Inexpensive Powerful Antbiotics can be bought over-the-counter at any Farmers Co-Op,
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

and most Feed Stores.
There are no questions, no accountability, no tracking, and no supervision on how these antibiotics are used by those raising livestock, many of whom lack even a high school education.
Most believe that "If a little is good, a lot is better!",
and almost all will try administering these antibiotics if their livestock shows signs of ANY illness because trying that is cheaper than calling a vet.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
107. Exactly.
Fri May 27, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

But the M$M focuses on the human over prescription as the main cause.
Focusing on the ag aspect of overuse would be uncomfortable for corporations.

dembotoz

(16,740 posts)
33. lets see E.coli generally food borne?
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

soooooooo

maybe we need to start thinking like we are immune suppressed.

have a friend who fairly recently had a double lung transplant and my first wife had chemo a couple times for leuikemia years ago

we compared notes. These patients need to be careful because what is minor illness for you is more serious if you have a suppressed immune response.

lets see....

NO salad bars period
NO pot luck dinners
NO buffets
not fond of picnics
not fond of salads in gerneral or raw veggies...cooked veggies are happy veggies....
i remember tacos in particular my our oncologist squirm....they have raw lettuce and such.

in general if it looks healthy don't eat it

the risk is not worth it.



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
114. Either that,
Fri May 27, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

....or grow it yourself.
Our food gardens are well fenced.
We are very careful with our compost, and don't use it until it is well "cooked".
The occasional bird may fly over and crap on something, but that can be washed off,
which we are also careful to do.....except when we pick Strawberries and eat them right in the garden, warmed by the sun at the perfect moment of ripeness.
We irrigate with the same Ozark Spring Water most people buy in the stored for $1Dollar or more/gallon.

Some Mexican crops are irrigated with sewer water....wouldn't touch those, but most veggies aren't labeled in the stores, and there is tremendous corporate resistance to Country of Origin labeling,
which is one reason why we voted for this guy:

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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
34. Cranberry pills every day and lots of water are good for urinary tract infections.
Thu May 26, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

Just prevent them.

Response to inanna (Original post)

DebbieCDC

(2,542 posts)
45. After reading The Coming Plague years ago
Thu May 26, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

I stopped taking any antibiotics at all, except for very brief periods post-major surgery. I may not have the greatest immune system in the world, but at least it won't be further compromised by taking needless doses of antibiotics.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
74. It doesn't matter what you do.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:21 PM
May 2016

The anti-biotic resistant strains see already it out there. Your immune response is totally separate from superbug that is already created ... outside of your immune system.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
69. Actually nature's antibiotics are well, antibiotics. We just figure out how to make reliable dosages
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

of compounds various molds and such already make that kill other microbes.

Colliodal silver is a poison.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
83. Pig Pharma is trying to shut down Compounding Pharmacies btw.
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:40 AM
May 2016

They want control over even the smallest of natural supportive aids and substances. This has been in court lately. Very unfortunate as they may well prevent people from having access to what may help them.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
110. "Supportive" can be translated as
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

"Has never been proven to do anything useful, but it sounds really nice".

Avalon Sparks

(2,538 posts)
115. I haven't been sick in 15 years
Sat May 28, 2016, 09:08 PM
May 2016

After discovering colloidal silver. Even when everyone around me is sick. Taking a couple of tablespoons for a few days works everything. Prior, I used to get colds and flus on probably an average basis, but most turned into bronchitis, a little gargling with it and I've never had bronchitis again. It's the only thing I use on cuts or other skin maladies. I don't make my own and I don't sell it (not affiliated). I've read all the counter information and I'd still swear by it.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
121. Me too.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:27 AM
May 2016

I really just ignore adverse comments because I know they speak from ignorance on the subject. Thousands of years of history stand in contrast to their rebuttals.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
52. Thanks meat industry.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

Sucks for the rest of us, but at least for once the oligarchs are going to have to lay in the beds they made. I know of no ivory tower high enough to protect them from this.

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
58. Meh. Something's gotta take ya.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

In the meantime, live life to its fullest. Savor each precious moment as if it was your last one, because it very well could be.

Remember this...the average life expectancy in the US in 1900 was only 47 years. We literally are cheating death beyond that age now.

pansypoo53219

(20,908 posts)
60. put down that anti-biotic spray NOW. make friends w/ the good ones.
Thu May 26, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

eat stuff that falls on the ground. well dry stuff.
germaphobes are gonna kill us.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
65. This may be natures way of reducing the population and slowing climate change. Humans
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

sure as hell won't.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
66. Apex predators do not last long.
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

1. Antibiotic resistant germs. But pharmaceutical companies make millions.
2. Bees dying out due to pesticides. But chemical companies make millions.
3. Fracking is poisoning our water. But oil companies make millions.
4. Climate change is destroying the biosphere. But the .01% is making billions.

I would really hate to be my grand-children because I have a feeling they are really going to hate us.

Bayard

(21,806 posts)
70. Captain Trips
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

This story was on the news right after more Trump coverage earlier. Between the two, its becoming strangely like Steven King's, The Stand. Most of the world is wiped out by a super bug, and a satanic leader rises up to go after the decent people left.

HuskyOffset

(885 posts)
73. No, this isn’t the start of the antibiotic apocalypse, just bad reporting
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:01 PM
May 2016

Before you panic, please read this over at Ars Technica:

No, this isn’t the start of the antibiotic apocalypse, just bad reporting

Ars Technica is an excellent site, highly recommended.

redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
98. Another reason the Republicans war on science funding is going to kill all of us.
Fri May 27, 2016, 08:51 AM
May 2016

NIH and NSF funding has been on the Republican's radar for the past few years. There is great research going on across the country in various research labs on college campuses and industry. They are ALL underfunded due to the hatred of "smart people" and science (much of that linked to scientists who are fighting global warming).

I know for sure that there are at least two labs on our campus doing research on these bugs, both are very close to finding an answer but both are underfunded.

I'm not sure when it became mainstream to hate people who are smart and doing great science but it is not in the best interest of our country.

Tikki

(14,539 posts)
101. Probably isn't enough, though, if the bacteria is elsewhere...:(
Fri May 27, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

but, I haven't had an UTI since I started taking showers and quit taking baths.


Tikki


yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
108. Alarmist title is misleading folks. It is not a super bug.
Fri May 27, 2016, 02:02 PM
May 2016

It is a bacteria resistant to colistin, an antibiotic of last resort, but it is susceptible to other antibiotics, so by definition, not a superbug.

The mutant E. coli germ was found in a Pennsylvania woman with symptoms of a urinary tract infection, but it does not appear to be spreading at epidemic proportions. And it was susceptible to other antibiotics, so the patient was not left without any hope.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/nightmare-bacteria-superbug-found-first-time-u-s-n581096

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
117. I was in the hospital for a staph infection a month ago...
Sat May 28, 2016, 10:51 PM
May 2016

...fortunately it was a perfectly normal strain treatable with common antibiotics. This shit terrifies me because without those antibiotics I would likely be an amputee, or even dead.

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