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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:45 AM Jun 2012

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Arrests 6-Year-Old Undocumented Immigrant

Source: Think Progress

Joe Arpaio, the controversial Arizona Sheriff from Maricaopa County, arrested a 6-year-old undocumented immigrant on Friday. The move came the same day President Obama announced a new policy halting deportations for young undocumented immigrants.
The Arizona Republic has the story:

The girl was with 15 other people believed to be in the country illegally who were traveling to the Midwest and northeast United States, said Chris Hegstrom, spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office.

“She’s been turned over to ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) to try to determine where she’s from. She told us she’s from El Salvador. That’s what she told us,” he said.


Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/17/501097/arizona-sheriff-joe-arpaio-arrests-6-year-old-undocumented-immigrant/?mobile=nc



Corrupt birther Orly Joe finds yet another activity to grab headlines and distract him from investigating the real crimes in his county:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/04/joe-arpaio-arizona-sex-crime-cases_n_1128680.html

Shouldn't this evil bastard be in jail by now?
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Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Arrests 6-Year-Old Undocumented Immigrant (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2012 OP
The fires of hell cannot burn hot enough for Arpaio... Not Me Jun 2012 #1
From El Salvador. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #2
Of course they learned from it canuckledragger Jun 2012 #3
They already have. They learned that their dirty war on El Salvador displaced 20% of that population EFerrari Jun 2012 #7
I think it's time for a bumper sticker war! Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #9
What is wrong with the people in his county? Are they all nuts? williesgirl Jun 2012 #4
Look, all the alternatives are also indefensible. Igel Jun 2012 #10
Good points. ChazII Jun 2012 #12
Hey, hey.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #16
Clearly the solution was to leave her unsupervised in the desert to fend for herself 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #18
Your post is well thought humbled_opinion Jun 2012 #19
You make some valid points, Sans__Culottes Jun 2012 #20
Wow....but why should anyone be surprised? Brooklyn Dame Jun 2012 #5
Alarming case agentS Jun 2012 #6
ICE is no picnic. Undocumented people die in their custody EFerrari Jun 2012 #8
Undocumented people die in the custody of smugglers. Igel Jun 2012 #11
What were they suppose to do? Give them a police escort to were they were going? bahrbearian Jun 2012 #13
Yes, I am wondering whether there was any legal alternative. That child is obviously at great risk. slackmaster Jun 2012 #15
What a creep!!! Holder put him in jail please! n/t hrmjustin Jun 2012 #14
It doens't sound as though the girl was related to the 14 others rocktivity Jun 2012 #17

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
2. From El Salvador.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:11 AM
Jun 2012

I guess countries where 10% of the population own 90% of the resources don't offer much opportunity to their citizens.

Do you think the Republicans can learn from this?

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
7. They already have. They learned that their dirty war on El Salvador displaced 20% of that population
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:54 AM
Jun 2012

to the United States and nobody cared.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
9. I think it's time for a bumper sticker war!
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jun 2012

"When 10% of the people own 90% of the resources in the U.S., where will Americans illegally migrate to for jobs?"

williesgirl

(4,033 posts)
4. What is wrong with the people in his county? Are they all nuts?
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jun 2012

This cretin doesn't investigate child sex crimes, but he has the time to arrest a 6-yr old who certainly didn't plan and execute her entrance to the US. May he rot in Hell, but be voted out of office when he's up for re-election. rec'd

Igel

(35,300 posts)
10. Look, all the alternatives are also indefensible.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jun 2012

Many less so.

6-year-old girl. Arrested with 15 other people.

Let's consider the options, shall we?

1. She ran away from home--or had been abandoned or had been orphaned--and had independently and safely hooked up with a group of 15 others, emigrating to the US on her own initiative and effort. Do you really want an independent 6-year-old girl wandering about unsupervised? No. Such kids are detained in the US and turned over to child services.

2. She was with one or more relatives who were supervising her and looking out for her and had de facto custody of her. Let's by all means praise the policeman who arrests the adults in charge of her and leaves her on her own! Uh, not so much.

How many times have we heard this particular practice excoriated by DUers? Now we suddenly want and defend the practice? I think not.

3. She wasn't with an adult who was looking out for her interest, but with a smuggler who either had been paid to transport the child from one relative in C. America to a relative in the US. Or perhaps wanted her to engage in paid sexual activities? Ooh ... defending human smugglers, what a progressive act! In any event, if you arrest the smugglers what do you do with the kid? We're back to having an unsupervised 6-year-old girl roaming about.

4. The option most people apparently want: She was brought into the country illegally by her relatives, and because she is here and is sacred and holy, untouchable, therefore everybody with her should be granted some sort of residency or, at the least, be documented to work and live in the US. Except that's, well, contrary to law.

Like I said, all the alternatives are also indefensible. I don't like (4) any more than (1), (2), or (3). Or what Arpaio did. However, Arpaio's actions at least have the plausible outcome of returning the whole family to their country of origin.

I'd note that the justifications for Obama's de-enforcement of deporting young people fail here. The justifications were that the students or young people had been raised in the US, were Americans "at heart", and would have trouble adjusting upon their return to a strange country. This kid's 6. Not in school, not American "at heart", probably speaks little English and hasn't, in all likelihood, been raised in the US. Perhaps she was: But if she really is an illegal immigrant and not native born then it's not likely she was brought here in her first year of life.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
18. Clearly the solution was to leave her unsupervised in the desert to fend for herself
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jun 2012

anything less would have run the risk of looking mean in a brief headline designed to stir up emotions.



/you are of course correct in your assessment. But put arpaio + child (or 6 year old) + arrested in a headline and people will read it.

 

Sans__Culottes

(92 posts)
20. You make some valid points,
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:05 AM
Jun 2012

but lets not forget that none of these points were considered by Arpaio.

He just wants to be on record defying President Obama.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
6. Alarming case
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:46 AM
Jun 2012

Reading the newspaper article about the cases raises some troubling questions.
1) It mentioned something about "people smuggling". What happened to this girl's parents? How did she wind up in Arizona of all places? Was she smuggled in by request of parents already here, or was she sold into slavery by her parents or 3rd parties?
2) At least she's with ICE. I certainly doubt Sheriff nutso's intentions but at least she's not in his jail cells.
3) Why isn't he pursing sex crimes charges with the same fervor he pursues undocumented immigrants?

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
8. ICE is no picnic. Undocumented people die in their custody
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012

and we barely even hear about it. Out of sight.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
11. Undocumented people die in the custody of smugglers.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jun 2012

We hear about it, but not nearly as much as it actually happens. Mostly out of sight.

Then there are numerous other abuses that happen to new immigrants--jammed into safe houses, subject to extortion and (near)slavery, and being abandoned without money by the coyote before they reach their destination.

Illegal immigration can be a risky business.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
15. Yes, I am wondering whether there was any legal alternative. That child is obviously at great risk.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012

Saying she was "arrested" makes great headlines, but was there any choice available to law enforcement other than taking her into custody and turning her over to ICE, i.e. the federal government?

The Arizona Republic article states that none of the other people who were detained knew anything about her. No parents or other responsible party present.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
17. It doens't sound as though the girl was related to the 14 others
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:42 AM - Edit history (3)

which sounds kind of fishy to me. Nobody noticed that a six-year old girl was tagging along? She followed the group like a stray puppy? I think she was under the supervision of someone in the group who was to deliver her to family in the U.S.


rocktivity

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