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Sun May 22, 2016, 12:29 PM

Mexican Officials Take Steps to Counter ‘the Trump Emergency’

Source: New York Times

MEXICO CITY — Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico, was recently stuck in Mexico City traffic, overcome with frustration — not by the congestion, but by something that was irritating him even more: Donald J. Trump. He grabbed his phone, turned the lens on himself and pressed record.


“Ha! Donald,” Mr. Fox said, holding the phone perhaps a little too close to his face. “What about your apologies to Mexico, to Mexicans in the United States, to Mexicans in Mexico?”

In short order, the 15-second clip was on Mr. Fox’s Twitter feed — another salvo in a personal campaign against the American presidential candidate that has included television appearances, radio interviews and a fusillade of hectoring Twitter posts.

Mr. Fox’s voice is among a growing, if uncoordinated, chorus of influential Mexicans worried about what a Trump victory could mean for the complex relationship between the United States and Mexico — not to mention the impact Mr. Trump’s presidential bid may have already had.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/world/americas/donald-trump-mexico.html?_r=0



Trump is a disaster on the national stage.

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Reply Mexican Officials Take Steps to Counter ‘the Trump Emergency’ (Original post)
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 OP
gordianot May 2016 #1
RoccoR5955 May 2016 #2
pangaia May 2016 #3
DURHAM D May 2016 #4
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #8
christx30 May 2016 #5
branford May 2016 #6
christx30 May 2016 #7
Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #9
christx30 May 2016 #10
a la izquierda May 2016 #12
branford May 2016 #11
malthaussen May 2016 #13

Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:40 PM

1. I know several people who traveled to Europe recently and separately.

Almost as soon as they get off the plane and people identified them as Americans they were asking if Donald Trump was for real and not in a good way.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #1)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:47 PM

2. I know what you mean

 

I hear it from my own friends in Europe.
I only hope that I can get there before he becomes president.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #1)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:48 PM

3. I can beliebhe it.

However, the people I meet traveling around the world know very well what is going on and the topic never even comes up.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #1)

Sun May 22, 2016, 12:49 PM

4. This happened to me the summer before Reagan was elected.

I was all over the UK and Europe and everywhere I went people wanted to know if Americans were stupid enough to elect Reagan. They were hoping it was some sort of American joke and they weren't in on it.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #1)

Sun May 22, 2016, 06:57 PM

8. I was in Mexico, and Trump was a topic of a lot of conversations.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Sun May 22, 2016, 04:56 PM

5. That's kind of strange.

Trump being the GOP nominee is an emergency.
Narcoterrorists in his country killing thousands of Mexicans every year is no emergency.

Strange priorities.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #5)

Sun May 22, 2016, 05:49 PM

6. The hypocrisy is not lost on many Americans when a Mexican oligarch like Fox,

 

who ran a country so corrupt and incompetent, that despite ample natural resources and an industrious people, much of the Mexican population still chooses to illegally cross into or remain in our country, to such a degree that foreign remittances are a larger source of income that oil, and the migrants are aided by the government.

Rather than complain about idiots like Trump, maybe the Mexican government and people like Fox should focus on their own population so that they don't want to leave their country or work for the cartels.

Every time a Mexican government official complains about Trump, he becomes more popular with large segments of the American electorate, largely in swing and industrial states.

If part of our election strategy is proclaiming how current and past Mexican presidents don't like Trump, we might as well get used to saying "President Trump."

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Response to branford (Reply #6)

Sun May 22, 2016, 06:06 PM

7. Yep.

Especially because the kind of people that support Trump not only don't care about the opinions of other world leaders, they take derision from Fox to be a good sign.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #5)

Sun May 22, 2016, 07:00 PM

9. Trump is seen as a virulent, anti-Mexican racist.

There is a lot of trade between the US and Mexico, and the ramifications of a hostile government is daunting.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Sun May 22, 2016, 07:14 PM

10. So racism is a more important consideration

than drug cartels and murder. Got it.

But, really, if there is a dispute, Mexico is going to end up on the losing side.

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Response to christx30 (Reply #10)

Mon May 23, 2016, 03:55 AM

12. No, for gods sake.

The. Trade. Relationship. Is. A. Concern.
There, does speaking to you like a five year old help you understand?

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #9)

Sun May 22, 2016, 08:54 PM

11. Trump is a shrewd and calculating populist ass.

 

His anti-immigrant comments are primarily directed at both moderate and independent law and order voters and blue-collar union members, including the very same types of Democrats who helped elect people like Reagan.

Complaints from current and former foreign leaders, who like Fox are often corruption-tainted oligarchs, simply help spread and reinforce Trump's "America first and always" message. Americans don't like being scolded by hypocritical foreigners any more than anyone else, to say nothing of the fact that illegal immigration is still a strong wedge issue in many important states.

I also believe worries about trade suffering under Trump are quite overblown. That trade benefits Mexico far more than the USA, and Trump is all for international big business. What might happen is that there will be a greater crackdown on illegal immigration and matters like sanctuary city policies, but even Mexico is not about to jeopardize the benefits of NAFTA and other economic ties, which Trump quite correctly notes are not always good for American workers.

In the horrible event Trump is elected president, I fully expect Mexican officials to adopt a far more moderate tone and discuss things like "dialogue" and "common interests," rather than further anger a sitting American president and risk trade and industrial benefits moving from Mexico to other parts of Latin America and Asia.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Original post)

Mon May 23, 2016, 09:42 AM

13. For Mr Trump's supporters, this is a good thing.

Mr Trump is all about being the biggest bully around. The more the leaders of other countries hate him, the happier his supporters will be. They have imbibed the dictum of "Let them hate us, so long as they fear us," and hope that Mr Trump will "make America Great Again" by forcing other countries to knuckle under. You know, much as he has forced the leaders of the GOP to knuckle under.

-- Mal

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