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tabasco

(22,974 posts)
Sat May 21, 2016, 05:05 PM May 2016

Lake Mead drops to lowest level in history

Source: WGRZ

PALM SPRINGS, Calif. — The nation’s largest reservoir has broken a record, declining to the lowest level since it was filled in the 1930s.

Lake Mead reached the all-time low Wednesday night, slipping below a previous record set in June 2015.

The downward march of the reservoir near Las Vegas reflects enormous strains on the over-allocated Colorado River. Its flows have decreased during 16 years of drought, and climate change is adding to the stresses on the river.

As the levels of Lake Mead continue to fall, the odds are increasing for the federal government to declare a shortage in 2018, a step that would trigger cutbacks in the amounts flowing from the reservoir to Arizona and Nevada. With that threshold looming, political pressures are building for California, Arizona and Nevada to reach an agreement to share in the cutbacks to avert an even more severe shortage.

Read more: http://www.wgrz.com/news/nation-now/lake-mead-declines-to-lowest-level-in-history/205330465



16 years of drought.
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Lake Mead drops to lowest level in history (Original Post) tabasco May 2016 OP
For now Fairgo May 2016 #1
There's an enormous amount of water waste in desert communities. procon May 2016 #2
Some golf courses here in NM have switched to artificial turf on fairways Warpy May 2016 #5
Rio Rancho's water bills are higher than Flint, MI. $78 a month for a single senior living alone. Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #37
I'm a water miser Warpy May 2016 #38
I'm a water miser too. Going to do gutters and rain barrels soon for the vegetable garden. All Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #40
I've seen the pictures! Duval May 2016 #6
This is one reason Gov. Brown is making drought measures a permanent law lunatica May 2016 #33
These measures are aimed at residential users, and many are cutting back voluntarily, procon May 2016 #34
I'm willing to bet Gov Jerry Brown will address these issues lunatica May 2016 #39
4 gallons of water to grow an almond EL34x4 May 2016 #45
How much did Nestle bottle and send away? Ford_Prefect May 2016 #3
I wondered the same. Enthusiast May 2016 #10
Bottled water is nothing compared to other things. Dont waste your energy thinking about it Baobab May 2016 #29
Another sign we all need to conserve as much as possible. Duval May 2016 #4
This was a wet winter for the Rockies so this is really bad news! Quixote1818 May 2016 #7
Was over to Lake Michigan yesterday safeinOhio May 2016 #8
You could at least tell us what tackle/line you were using and what bait they hit. Jeez. Enthusiast May 2016 #12
Maple safeinOhio May 2016 #19
I've moved back safeinOhio May 2016 #20
Great fishing in Michigan. I would like to visit Lake St. Clair for the battling smallmouth. Enthusiast May 2016 #24
The Islands in Ohio water of Erie safeinOhio May 2016 #31
Buckeye Lake was the lake for bluegills. Unfortunately they have lowered the water level Enthusiast May 2016 #32
I think they taste better safeinOhio May 2016 #35
I'm a little afraid of Saginaw Bay because of the expanse of shallow water and the old pilings. Enthusiast May 2016 #41
Sounds like me, 14 ft SmokerCraft Alaskan/9.9 safeinOhio May 2016 #42
Man that sounds great! Thanks so much for the offer. Enthusiast May 2016 #44
It's raining--again--here in NC. mnhtnbb May 2016 #9
You must be living in Raleigh near the Legislature. Ford_Prefect May 2016 #13
Chapel Hill. mnhtnbb May 2016 #21
Durham, then Carrboro and Efland. Ford_Prefect May 2016 #22
Hurricanes are a steep price to pay lordsummerisle May 2016 #15
Meanwhile, China is solving its drought problem, unlike the U.S. sitting on its a$$. DrBulldog May 2016 #11
Beats what Nestle has done here. They still use trucks. Ford_Prefect May 2016 #14
How are they going to pump the water energy wise? Baobab May 2016 #17
Not long before "history" rainfall was so low that trees grew on the beds of many High Sierra lakes! Baobab May 2016 #16
Here's a link to the study. tabasco May 2016 #27
We cannot let them export our natural gas "until its gone" as Hillary wants to. Baobab May 2016 #28
At some point, we must concede to nature. tabasco May 2016 #30
Crazy stuff NWCorona May 2016 #18
Kick Brother Joe Observes May 2016 #23
This is a very serious problem and needs national attention. greatlaurel May 2016 #25
Long-term planning is impossible in the idiocracy of the U.S. tabasco May 2016 #36
Absolutely right. CanSocDem May 2016 #43
so when does climate change turn into climate changeD dembotoz May 2016 #26

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. There's an enormous amount of water waste in desert communities.
Sat May 21, 2016, 05:17 PM
May 2016

All around me there are HOAs demanding lush green lawns, golf courses, orchards, even sod farms, and the cities keep sucking the water out of the ground like it won't ever end.

Warpy

(111,243 posts)
5. Some golf courses here in NM have switched to artificial turf on fairways
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

and most green lawns bit the dust 20 years ago except for small patches here and there at malls and corporate office buildings.

Water restrictions are in place even in wetter years but this state has been in drought for over 20 years now.

Most people are very conscious of water waste because it's reflected in high water bills.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
37. Rio Rancho's water bills are higher than Flint, MI. $78 a month for a single senior living alone.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

$145 mo for family of 3.

Warpy

(111,243 posts)
38. I'm a water miser
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

having lived in a place where the military polluted the town wells and I needed a water service for cooking/drinking water. I have gone over the bare minimum here only once, when the water line to the house sprung a leak. I did get the water turned off quickly enough that I wasn't funding the entire department that month.

The real water suckers seem to be dishwashers and mine is at the end of my arms.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
40. I'm a water miser too. Going to do gutters and rain barrels soon for the vegetable garden. All
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:38 PM
May 2016

the other landscaping (xeriscaping) is on a "fend for yourself" condition.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
6. I've seen the pictures!
Sat May 21, 2016, 06:39 PM
May 2016

How those guys can look themselves in the mirror without throwing up is beyond me.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
33. This is one reason Gov. Brown is making drought measures a permanent law
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:11 PM
May 2016
http://laist.com/2016/05/09/troubledwater.php

"Brown first declared a water-related state of emergency in January 2014, and ordered the state's first mandatory water cut for metropolitan areas in April 2015. Today's executive order will make the temporary water-saving measures currently in place permanent. These include not hosing off sidewalks, driveways and other hardscapes, washing automobiles with hoses not equipped with a shut-off nozzle, and watering lawns in a manner that causes runoff, according to the Governor's office."

procon

(15,805 posts)
34. These measures are aimed at residential users, and many are cutting back voluntarily,
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

but the largest waste and misuse comes from commercial, industrial and agricultural users. Until the water restrictions forces them to change their ways, the residential water savings is just a drop in the bucket.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
45. 4 gallons of water to grow an almond
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

They grow a lot of almonds in the California desert, consuming a stunning 1.1 trillion gallons of water every single year.

Probably other climates exist that are more suitable to almond growing but California is doing it.

Ford_Prefect

(7,884 posts)
3. How much did Nestle bottle and send away?
Sat May 21, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

And the others? How much no longer flows into the aquifers and lakes because it was trucked away?

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
29. Bottled water is nothing compared to other things. Dont waste your energy thinking about it
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:31 AM
May 2016

If you worry - worry about endocrine disrupting chemicals from the plastic bottles..

safeinOhio

(32,671 posts)
8. Was over to Lake Michigan yesterday
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

Water was way up from the last few years. Brown trout were bitting and I'll be eating some in another 15 minutes.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
12. You could at least tell us what tackle/line you were using and what bait they hit. Jeez.
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:05 PM
May 2016

And what river while you're at it.

safeinOhio

(32,671 posts)
31. The Islands in Ohio water of Erie
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

are suppose to be the best. I'm going to try for them up off the thumb later this year. This coming week I'm going to look for the big gills on the beds. Never found any spawn beds on the reservoirs in Ohio.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
32. Buckeye Lake was the lake for bluegills. Unfortunately they have lowered the water level
Sun May 22, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

because the dam is unsafe. The gills were thick and beautiful hard fighters.

safeinOhio

(32,671 posts)
35. I think they taste better
Sun May 22, 2016, 03:28 PM
May 2016

Than perch and sure fight more. Saginaw bay is loaded with walleyes they raised the limit from 5 to 8 in the bay. My 14 ft boat is a little small for that.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
41. I'm a little afraid of Saginaw Bay because of the expanse of shallow water and the old pilings.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

They claim the fishing is excellent. I have a 14 foot Lund but only a ten HP motor so it is too slow for that sort of water. I need a twenty HP motor.

safeinOhio

(32,671 posts)
42. Sounds like me, 14 ft SmokerCraft Alaskan/9.9
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

I've been out on Erie 3 or 4 miles on a nice day. Only problem was the big boats buzzing me.

Ever want to take a few days and head north, PM me. We could get a half or whole day charter on the bay for either walleye or smallies. Or go north for trout.

I'm retired and have the time. Can put you up for a few days.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
44. Man that sounds great! Thanks so much for the offer.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

I have a number of physical issues that prevent me from traveling now.

We used to vacation in Michigan when I was a kid, I'm 63 now. Last time was in the 1990s when we fished Tawas Bay and caught some nice Northern and Walleye. We went to Ontario a number of times too. I have bad hips, back, knee, neck, arms—you name it. Sucks! As a matter of fact I haven't been in the boat all year! I fished twice from the bank at local lakes. Now I'm down to the bluegill and channel cat spawns to get in on. I sit around thinking about fishing, lol.

mnhtnbb

(31,382 posts)
9. It's raining--again--here in NC.
Sat May 21, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

There are trade-offs. I lived in California from 1965-1988 and would never go back. The water situation is going to be a long term problem.

We had dry weather/drought several years ago here in NC, but the situation has corrected. When I was looking up historical hurricane paths, guess
where has had the most hits? North Carolina.

Water is not the problem here: ignorant, gun-toting evangelical bigots, however, are prevalent.

Ford_Prefect

(7,884 posts)
22. Durham, then Carrboro and Efland.
Sat May 21, 2016, 11:04 PM
May 2016

NC since 1981. Started in Raleigh and moved gradually ever westward away from the big noise.

lordsummerisle

(4,651 posts)
15. Hurricanes are a steep price to pay
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016

for plentiful water. I'll go with occasional droughts and less extreme weather...

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
11. Meanwhile, China is solving its drought problem, unlike the U.S. sitting on its a$$.
Sat May 21, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

China is building huge underground viaducts from the very wet south China to the very dry North China. It will be ready around 2020.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
16. Not long before "history" rainfall was so low that trees grew on the beds of many High Sierra lakes!
Sat May 21, 2016, 09:41 PM
May 2016

They didn't know that until fairly recently. Those trees - some quite tall, are still down there. They have been sitting on the bottoms of these lakes in many cases for >1000 years.

So the level of historical variability in precipitation is substantial and sometimes droughts last hundreds of years. We may be in a wet period. It could get a lot drier.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
27. Here's a link to the study.
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:49 AM
May 2016
http://www.landandwaterusa.com/Letters_GN/2013SoundOff/2-18KleppeBrothersetal11-Sep21-Duration%20SeverityofMWP-LakeTahoeBasin.pdf

It actually only involves one lake in the Sierras. But it does indicate the possibility of mega-droughts in medieval times and before.

All the more reason to reduce the causes of man-made climate change, which is a fact.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
28. We cannot let them export our natural gas "until its gone" as Hillary wants to.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

Thats insanity. We may need it to send water long distances. Solar just wont cut it for that.

Otherwise we could end up with huge abandoned cities all through the Southwest like time capsules to our greed and ignorance.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
30. At some point, we must concede to nature.
Sun May 22, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

New Orleans is another example. We spend billions every year keeping the Miss. River flowing through N.O., when it wants to go down the Atchafalaya. Eventually, the river will win. But long-term national planning is not possible when we have a powerful political party that denies science and declares "who cares, we'll be dead."

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
25. This is a very serious problem and needs national attention.
Sun May 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

Water use in the desert Southwest needs a thorough and very difficult evaluation. Real estate agents, land developers and big agriculture need to be told no more. Agriculture uses the most water in California. Growing vegetables and citrus for the parts of the country that need fresh fruits and vegetables is important. Raising alfalfa hay to export to Saudi Arabia and China with irrigated water should be stopped. The West can no longer afford such ridiculously wasteful practices.

The continued development of cities in the desert Southwest can not be sustained, as there is no water for these cities. The ancient aquifers are being pumped dry, too.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
36. Long-term planning is impossible in the idiocracy of the U.S.
Sun May 22, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Anti-science, imbecile republicans do not care about future generations.

"We'll all be dead." --- George W. Bush

http://www.opednews.com/lower042904_dead.htm

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
43. Absolutely right.
Sun May 22, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016


Back when I was part of the problem, it still bothered me that so much water and other resources were used to grow LETTUCE to ship to the east coast in the winter.

There is zero nutrition in lettuce. And anyone in North America can grow a healthy tomato plant, yet millions are spent shipping them back and forth across the country.

WATER should be 'the canary in the coal mine'.

.

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
26. so when does climate change turn into climate changeD
Sun May 22, 2016, 10:46 AM
May 2016

i dunno

we keep on talking like the changes are a temporary thing.

perhaps life can not exist as it has and it is time to figure that out.

in africa the sahara keeps getting larger, why not here

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